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Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
Posted - 2011.01.20 06:33:00 - [1]
 

How common is it for FW members to use a neutral in a fleet with them to run a FW mission while they stay cloaked or otherwise safe in system? I was guarding a system against Gal FW missions, and it happened to me tonight. I thought I'd ask if this was an old trick before I got my knickers in a knot.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:00:00 - [2]
 

FW missions are pretty much like regular missions in that you can get "assistance" from someone else. So no, it isn't unheard of.

btw: Why didn't you go GCC on the alt?

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:26:00 - [3]
 

Not really that common from what I've seen.

Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
Posted - 2011.01.21 03:08:00 - [4]
 

Happened again tonight in the same system, this time by a different pair of characters. Obviously this technique is getting some traction.

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.01.21 04:27:00 - [5]
 

Gallentes had a tendency to use neutral characters to tank the npc spawns in FW plexes so nothing new here.


Vim
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.01.21 06:54:00 - [6]
 

Highly annoying with neutrals running fw missions.

fw plexes regardless of who speedtanks the rats in the plex still requires a militia member to be close to the capture button and seeing as the fw plex rats should be removed anyhow since they deter combat rather then promote it...

Fw missions does not require a militia member to actually do the dirty deed, it is an old trick to, nothing new to see.
Go gcc to possibly get a kill and lose sec status. Should flag them for shooting your sides navy/npcs to make it less cumbersome ^^



Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.01.21 08:49:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Gallentes had a tendency to use neutral characters to tank the npc spawns in FW plexes so nothing new here.


Failtrain has a tendancy to use neutral character to tank the NPC Navy in Gallente high sec.

Notice my use of "has" and your use of "had". Present tense versus past.

Your move, Damar Failcarion.

Salicaz
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.01.21 09:34:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Gallentes had a tendency to use neutral characters to tank the npc spawns in FW plexes so nothing new here.


Failtrain has a tendancy to use neutral character to tank the NPC Navy in Gallente high sec.

Notice my use of "has" and your use of "had". Present tense versus past.

Your move, Damar Failcarion.


Were you a victim, you sound like it Twisted Evil

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.01.21 12:02:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Von Kroll
How common is it for FW members to use a neutral in a fleet with them to run a FW mission while they stay cloaked or otherwise safe in system? I was guarding a system against Gal FW missions, and it happened to me tonight. I thought I'd ask if this was an old trick before I got my knickers in a knot.

L2GCC? Its not that bad of a sec status hit if you don't pop the pod.
Originally by: Salicaz
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Gallentes had a tendency to use neutral characters to tank the npc spawns in FW plexes so nothing new here.


Failtrain has a tendancy to use neutral character to tank the NPC Navy in Gallente high sec.

Notice my use of "has" and your use of "had". Present tense versus past.

Your move, Damar Failcarion.


Were you a victim, you sound like it Twisted Evil


Are you a hypocrite? Sounds like it. Rolling Eyes

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.01.21 12:56:00 - [10]
 

According to the petitions I myself have had and have heard of:
- Using a neutral to tank in FW plexes is an exploit.
- Using a neutral to tank FW missions is NOT an exploit.

The newest thing I have heard of is that missions are being run by neutrals entirely, thus completely removing any threat to the person responsible and forcing opposing side to take security hits ..
Haven't seen it personally so have no petition response but can only assume that the GMs don't give a damn .. it is "What is FW?" after all.

Armas Lankku
Posted - 2011.01.21 12:57:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Armas Lankku on 21/01/2011 12:59:36
Edited by: Armas Lankku on 21/01/2011 12:59:11
Edited by: Armas Lankku on 21/01/2011 12:58:07
hey kids lets try make this a draketrain thread since the others dead now
ofc i wont be participating because i cba but ill let you lot do it

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e: ot: i use neutral alts to log on tq
ee: ccp doesnt give a **** about what you do in fw :18months: :ccp:
eee: never enough esdits

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2011.01.21 14:56:00 - [12]
 

Isnt using neutral alt for fw mission just wasting character slot that could take some more missions if he was in fw?

Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
Posted - 2011.01.21 15:40:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Mutant Caldari

L2GCC? Its not that bad of a sec status hit if you don't pop the pod.


True, but it flags you to gate and station guns and all the other intricacies of GCC, which is something that the "permanent war-dec" of FW is supposed to insulate you from. Also, there's the principle of it. May sound idealistic but I enjoy FW a great deal, and this kind of stuff just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.

And yes, I'm talking about neuts completing the mission, not just tanking the mission. Last nights example had simply a neut ishtar in the mission room--the FW character merely opened the mission then left system.

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.01.21 15:47:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Von Kroll
Originally by: Mutant Caldari

L2GCC? Its not that bad of a sec status hit if you don't pop the pod.


True, but it flags you to gate and station guns and all the other intricacies of GCC, which is something that the "permanent war-dec" of FW is supposed to insulate you from. Also, there's the principle of it. May sound idealistic but I enjoy FW a great deal, and this kind of stuff just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.

And yes, I'm talking about neuts completing the mission, not just tanking the mission. Last nights example had simply a neut ishtar in the mission room--the FW character merely opened the mission then left system.

If it gives you that bad of a taste in your mouth, then leave and go join the lolblobs in null sec. CCP isn't going to fix anything regarding FW for a very long time, if they even do in the first place, so its up to you and you alone whether to stay in it or not. Don't forget, CCP hasn't cared about low sec/FW for years. If you stay in, you have to accept the "bugs" and ways around it. That means either go GCC on the ***** for using the alt in the first place or ignore it. /shrug

P.S. People who can easily farm level 4's in stealth bombers complaining about neutral alts in Ishtars is a bit lulz worthy. If I wasn't on the Gallente side, I'd be profiting on the neutral Ishtars. Nomnomnom.

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.01.21 16:05:00 - [15]
 

Ya gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet. If it's in the plex/mission, then it's a target. Stop off at a nearby asteroid belt and clean up your sec mess. Very Happy

Roughly a quarter of the Caldari mission runners use a non-FW alt as their second character when doing missions (one tanks, the other uses the stealth bomber).

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.01.21 16:12:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: X Gallentius
Ya gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet. If it's in the plex/mission, then it's a target. Stop off at a nearby asteroid belt and clean up your sec mess. Very Happy

Roughly a quarter of the Caldari mission runners use a non-FW alt as their second character when doing missions (one tanks, the other uses the stealth bomber).

They don't even need an alt to do their missions. They can solo them in the stealth bombers, lol.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.01.21 17:05:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: X Gallentius
.. Roughly a quarter of the Caldari mission runners use a non-FW alt as their second character when doing missions (one tanks, the other uses the stealth bomber).

What? Only a quarter?

On the Minnie/Amarr side is closer 100% for both parties .. just so much easier with a low-skill noob speed tanker plus dps ship.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.21 17:18:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
The newest thing I have heard of is that missions are being run by neutrals entirely, thus completely removing any threat to the person responsible and forcing opposing side to take security hits ..
Haven't seen it personally so have no petition response but can only assume that the GMs don't give a damn .. it is "What is FW?" after all.


I've seen that. FW mission alt provides warp-in point, neutral does mission, FW alt cashes in on rewards.

It prevents that FW mission alt from risking their mission ship to WT camps, and confronts anyone wanting to interrupt the mission with sec loss and GCC. In a pinch, the alt could be used to tank NPCs if desired.

In some cases the FW mission alt pods itself to move back to the mission agent quickly. There are FW characters with a top rank who never have shot a hostile in their career.

Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
Posted - 2011.01.21 19:48:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Mutant Caldari

If it gives you that bad of a taste in your mouth, then leave and go join the lolblobs in null sec...


I know FW has some warts--knew before I even came into it. I just hadn't seen this before myself, and thought I'd poll the masses to see how prevalent it was. And yes, I'll accept the GCC, no problem. But, we shouldn't have to--that's all I'm saying.

With respect to stealth bombers, what do you run lvl 4 FW missions in?

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.01.21 20:23:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Von Kroll
Originally by: Mutant Caldari

If it gives you that bad of a taste in your mouth, then leave and go join the lolblobs in null sec...


I know FW has some warts--knew before I even came into it. I just hadn't seen this before myself, and thought I'd poll the masses to see how prevalent it was. And yes, I'll accept the GCC, no problem. But, we shouldn't have to--that's all I'm saying.

With respect to stealth bombers, what do you run lvl 4 FW missions in?

Not solo stealth bombers like the Caldari, thats for sure.

Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
Posted - 2011.01.21 21:17:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Not solo stealth bombers like the Caldari, thats for sure.


So what's so bad about solo stealth bombers compared to say, a cloaky Ishtar?

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.01.21 21:22:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: X Gallentius on 21/01/2011 21:22:16
more agility, more time to lock ship, ability to warp cloaked, less expensive.

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.01.21 22:31:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: X Gallentius
Edited by: X Gallentius on 21/01/2011 21:22:16
more agility, more time to lock ship, ability to warp cloaked, less expensive.

All of this right here. Plus people don't even bother coming to interfere with your missions because you simply aren't worth the time/effort. Rolling Eyes

Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
Posted - 2011.01.21 22:48:00 - [24]
 

Ok, so Manticore = easy mode. So, what does this have to do with neutral alts running FW missions?

Athena Silk
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.01.23 00:16:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Isnt using neutral alt for fw mission just wasting character slot that could take some more missions if he was in fw?

Pretty much. The travel tends to be the longest part, so I use a militia speedtanking alt in addition to my militia SB alt in order to grab double the missions from the ~4 decent State Pro agents.

Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
Posted - 2011.01.29 10:45:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Gallentes had a tendency to use neutral characters to tank the npc spawns in FW plexes so nothing new here.


Is that why you guys plex so much? Tanking the NPCs for frog FW pilots?


 

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