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Dream Nine
Posted - 2011.03.08 18:46:00 - [361]
 

Originally by: Belfelmalak
When you play Monopoly do you make your friends pay you for landing on Boardwalk? You do? Now how DO you sleep at night?


In monopoly it's expected and the only way to play the game. In this game you decide for yourself. The fact that you chose scamming other among all other possible things you could be doing simply tells that you would likely be a sociopathic freak IRL who steals from other people if you could. But you are too chicken of course so you realize your sick sociopathic fantasies in a game.

Chai Bora
Ghosts of Ragnarok
Posted - 2011.03.08 18:49:00 - [362]
 

Edited by: Chai Bora on 08/03/2011 18:58:51
Edited by: Chai Bora on 08/03/2011 18:57:36
Originally by: Dream Nine
Originally by: Belfelmalak
When you play Monopoly do you make your friends pay you for landing on Boardwalk? You do? Now how DO you sleep at night?


In monopoly it's expected and the only way to play the game. In this game you decide for yourself. The fact that you chose scamming other among all other possible things you could be doing simply tells that you would likely be a sociopathic freak IRL who steals from other people if you could. But you are too chicken of course so you realize your sick sociopathic fantasies in a game.


So we can assume, then, that you're an holier-than-thou judgmental prick IRL yeah? [Invective? Maybe... but calling people you don't know sociopaths isn't exactly nice either.]

You can wax-philosophic about ethics and morality as they relate to game play 'til the cows come home. But unless you're prepared to present a vetted, peer-reviewed study showing this kind of correlation between in-game behavior and IRL behavior most of the claims being made here are about as baseless as they come and no amount of 'logical' maneuvering around the subject of ethics is going to prove a sodding thing.

Daphne Q
Our Own Pirate Society
Posted - 2011.03.08 19:30:00 - [363]
 

Originally by: Chai Bora
So we can assume, then, that you're an holier-than-thou judgmental prick IRL yeah? [Invective? Maybe... but calling people you don't know sociopaths isn't exactly nice either.]

BULLSEYE! A perfectly logical conclusion given the evidence provided.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:47:00 - [364]
 

Eve is not Monopoly. Eve is not chess. In Eve there is no end game and no constraints for time.

I'm not saying killing in Eve is wrong. But saying you must kill or you must be a jerk to win is BS. You do it because you want and choose to.


Daphne Q
Our Own Pirate Society
Posted - 2011.03.08 21:00:00 - [365]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Eve is not Monopoly. Eve is not chess. In Eve there is no end game and no constraints for time.

I'm not saying killing in Eve is wrong. But saying you must kill or you must be a jerk to win is BS. You do it because you want and choose to.


If there is no end game, the concept of "win" is meaningless.

And of course killing in EVE is voluntary. Just as it is in any other game that allows or requires it. The only difference is, in some games if you don't want to kill, you don't play.

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 21:04:00 - [366]
 

Originally by: Dream Nine
Originally by: Belfelmalak
When you play Monopoly do you make your friends pay you for landing on Boardwalk? You do? Now how DO you sleep at night?


In monopoly it's expected and the only way to play the game. In this game you decide for yourself. The fact that you chose scamming other among all other possible things you could be doing simply tells that you would likely be a sociopathic freak IRL who steals from other people if you could. But you are too chicken of course so you realize your sick sociopathic fantasies in a game.


From this it can be argued that EVE providing an environment for sociopaths to vent instead of doing it IRL is a good thing. You seem to be goading any potential sociopaths in this game by saying they should indeed leave you the F alone in EVE and go out IRL and kill some people already.

I hope you are not actually trying to take some sort of moral high ground here. Rolling Eyes

Deen Wispa
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.03.08 21:12:00 - [367]
 

The interesting aspect to this sandbox is that some of the social behavior of people transcends into RL. For example, if someone is completely obnoxious and arrogant over voicecomms, it can be argued that they are the same IRL. The idea that you can turn it on and off like a switch is quite naive. "It" being your behavior, beliefs, and personality.

Thoughts?

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 21:31:00 - [368]
 

Edited by: Leeroy McJenkins on 08/03/2011 21:31:42
Originally by: Deen Wispa
The interesting aspect to this sandbox is that some of the social behavior of people transcends into RL. For example, if someone is completely obnoxious and arrogant over voicecomms, it can be argued that they are the same IRL. The idea that you can turn it on and off like a switch is quite naive. "It" being your behavior, beliefs, and personality.

Thoughts?


I think you will find that most people who "do bad things" in this game are actually decent people with families IRL i.e. have babies crying in the background. I think the difference is that such people are able to separate a game from RL, if you are so mad that someone blew up your internet spaceship that you resort to personal attacks or RL threats than you are taking da internetz too seriously and in actuality it is you who has the problem.

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.03.08 22:21:00 - [369]
 

I believe it is immoral to mine in the same belt as someone else if you think they might want to mine the whole thing themselves.

Mighty Dread
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.08 22:34:00 - [370]
 

Originally by: Iam Widdershins
I believe it is immoral to mine in the same belt as someone else if you think they might want to mine the whole thing themselves.


Interesting, I have moved on from belts if I see there is already someone mining there. So, even though I could take the attitude of "To hell with you buddy, I'm gonna get mine" I respect the claim and move on. Mind you if I knew it was a bot I'd be in there irregardless. But I think that is the question: Is there respect for your fellow players? Even in the most hostile of situations in EVE respect for all that play ensures everyone has fun.

Daphne Q
Our Own Pirate Society
Posted - 2011.03.08 23:11:00 - [371]
 

Originally by: Deen Wispa
The interesting aspect to this sandbox is that some of the social behavior of people transcends into RL. For example, if someone is completely obnoxious and arrogant over voicecomms, it can be argued that they are the same IRL. The idea that you can turn it on and off like a switch is quite naive. "It" being your behavior, beliefs, and personality.

Thoughts?

I think, no, I know that you are wrong. I could name examples of people whose behavior in voice comms, toward other players, and on these forums are completely different. Taken, separately, one might guess (incorrectly) that these behaviors belonged to different people.

Sorry, but most people don't fall neatly into the pigeon holes that you have carved out for them.

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.08 23:35:00 - [372]
 

Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins


From this it can be argued that EVE providing an environment for sociopaths to vent instead of doing it IRL is a good thing. You seem to be goading any potential sociopaths in this game by saying they should indeed leave you the F alone in EVE and go out IRL and kill some people already.

I hope you are not actually trying to take some sort of moral high ground here. Rolling Eyes


this would make them considerably less annoying in eve and as such gets my vote.

Belfelmalak
Posted - 2011.03.09 04:53:00 - [373]
 

Originally by: Dream Nine
Originally by: Belfelmalak
When you play Monopoly do you make your friends pay you for landing on Boardwalk? You do? Now how DO you sleep at night?


In monopoly it's expected and the only way to play the game. In this game you decide for yourself. The fact that you chose scamming other among all other possible things you could be doing simply tells that you would likely be a sociopathic freak IRL who steals from other people if you could. But you are too chicken of course so you realize your sick sociopathic fantasies in a game.



So your saying I'm a sociopathic monopoly player? I'm so hurt by your insults and unfair judgements. You are vicious mean spirted person who must kick puppies and frighten kittens. shame on you.

Devil's Call
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.03.09 08:58:00 - [374]
 

Interesting discussion with allot of frustrated people. I personally dispite scamming aswell, the ammount of people who're after the greef of others is (In my opinion) rather frightning in eve online. It seems that ALLOT of people who scam are actualy proud of it, something that I cannot seem to understand. (Yet) Maby it's just me, but in most cases... scamming people is really easy. Once you've gained the trust of somebody/ a group of people, you can STAB them in the back, hard.

Same goes for real life, the percentage of actual scammers IRL is way lower then in eve online though, so yeah... it does seem that this game attracts scammers that are too chicken to scam in real life.

Or are they? Perhaps they play the game to be evil, and IRL, they're people who do in fact have morals... who knows. I can imagine that sort of stuff actualy. That still leaves me in the dark about their proud though, I'd rather be ashamed if I scammed people on a regular basis... unless it's like some BIG epic heist, but that don't happen very often:-).


Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.03.09 12:02:00 - [375]
 

Originally by: Devil's Call
Interesting discussion with allot of frustrated people. I personally dispite scamming aswell, the ammount of people who're after the greef of others is (In my opinion) rather frightning in eve online. It seems that ALLOT of people who scam are actualy proud of it, something that I cannot seem to understand. (Yet) Maby it's just me, but in most cases... scamming people is really easy. Once you've gained the trust of somebody/ a group of people, you can STAB them in the back, hard.

Same goes for real life, the percentage of actual scammers IRL is way lower then in eve online though, so yeah... it does seem that this game attracts scammers that are too chicken to scam in real life.

Or are they? Perhaps they play the game to be evil, and IRL, they're people who do in fact have morals... who knows. I can imagine that sort of stuff actualy. That still leaves me in the dark about their proud though, I'd rather be ashamed if I scammed people on a regular basis... unless it's like some BIG epic heist, but that don't happen very often:-).




Think the general view amongst the scamming populace is that they are making people who are lazy pay a tax for their own stupidity.

There are no scams in EVE that cannot be seen through just by paying attention and doing some very basic research.


LegitGuy WithCandy
Caldari
Serious Legitimate Hauling and Trade Corporation
Posted - 2011.03.09 12:58:00 - [376]
 

People who argue that those who do bad in Eve are sociopaths are just trying to feel better about themselves.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.03.09 13:42:00 - [377]
 

Alright, been so many posts and no response to my inquiry about giving ACTUAL REAL trust over to people in this game. Now, there is no doubt in my mind that people crying immoral behavior and hidden sociopathic tendencies are just raging over getting butthurt by someone better at this game (or at the very least getting bested by someone with different goals in the game). I appreciate the confirmation of my original suspicions.

From here on out I am forgoing any serious responses and will be enjoying the posts for the lulz.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2011.03.09 14:38:00 - [378]
 

Originally by: Dream Nine
Originally by: Belfelmalak
When you play Monopoly do you make your friends pay you for landing on Boardwalk? You do? Now how DO you sleep at night?


In monopoly it's expected and the only way to play the game. In this game you decide for yourself. The fact that you chose scamming other among all other possible things you could be doing simply tells that you would likely be a sociopathic freak IRL who steals from other people if you could. But you are too chicken of course so you realize your sick sociopathic fantasies in a game.


LOL

FAIL!

Daphne Q
Our Own Pirate Society
Posted - 2011.03.09 15:44:00 - [379]
 

Yes, the trolls are out in force, aren't they?

gawdofman
Posted - 2011.03.09 16:37:00 - [380]
 

eve has no "good" players, they left long ago.


lets face it, if we didnt have laws most of you would steal, lie, ****, murder without a 2nd thought, you would think "pfft the hell with him/her im getting mines" and yes, if you steal in this game, you would in rl, or atleaste would if you didnt end up getting ass pounded by bubba, thats fact. you lie you cheat you steal, you have no morals, thank god for laws.


oh btw, guys go **** kis and go home to there family, guys steal from church and go home to there familys, u have no idea..i can give a damn about a cryign kid or if the guy has a chick to bang... hes still a pice of S*IT. AND THAT U CAN TAKE TO THE BANK.

this game is half dead, i dont recomend it to my friends anymore, as most just get F8cked over by sum pice of crap for a person.

seen this for years, and for years its just..its fu*kin pathetic.


do not trust anyone, form your own corp with ppl you know have the same mindset with you. you jump on comms and they sound lika prick or a lil ***** who didnt get enough of mommys tit, tell em to suck a D*ck and kick em.

do your homework on ppl, talk with them for a few days, ask em question just as if you where gonna fu*k em, not over..but like lay pipe. "whats your likes, how do you feel about ***" see how they respond.

wanna make this game better? talk to your playrs with voice. learn where they live so on.

I do cross ref on all my players, even ip traces to conferm they are in the same state or country they say, if anything is not right, i kick em out...set em red, period.

very few of you have morals, This game. over the years has shown me that, the good guys where the 03's to 05's. good guys. made this game what it is today. the rest of you I wish you would go back to wow, rly i do.

Very Happy

P.S. one more ***geddon and ill let this game go inactive for a long time, i dont like greif and for ppl to just want "TEARS". well thats a pice of **** for a human being, and i dont like to even be on the same server shareing my data packets with such ppl. just the thought will make me log for the day. tbh dust looks good because it will have eve, and none/few of you.

well rather, leaste i can shoot you in the face for fu*kin me over while you patted my head. Oh good friend of mine.

pricks. Idea

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.09 16:49:00 - [381]
 

Originally by: gawdofman
eve has no "good" players, they left long ago.


lets face it, if we didnt have laws most of you would steal, lie, ****, murder without a 2nd thought, you would think "pfft the hell with him/her im getting mines" and yes, if you steal in this game, you would in rl, or atleaste would if you didnt end up getting ass pounded by bubba, thats fact. you lie you cheat you steal, you have no morals, thank god for laws.


oh btw, guys go **** kis and go home to there family, guys steal from church and go home to there familys, u have no idea..i can give a damn about a cryign kid or if the guy has a chick to bang... hes still a pice of S*IT. AND THAT U CAN TAKE TO THE BANK.

this game is half dead, i dont recomend it to my friends anymore, as most just get F8cked over by sum pice of crap for a person.

seen this for years, and for years its just..its fu*kin pathetic.


do not trust anyone, form your own corp with ppl you know have the same mindset with you. you jump on comms and they sound lika prick or a lil ***** who didnt get enough of mommys tit, tell em to suck a D*ck and kick em.

do your homework on ppl, talk with them for a few days, ask em question just as if you where gonna fu*k em, not over..but like lay pipe. "whats your likes, how do you feel about ***" see how they respond.

wanna make this game better? talk to your playrs with voice. learn where they live so on.

I do cross ref on all my players, even ip traces to conferm they are in the same state or country they say, if anything is not right, i kick em out...set em red, period.

very few of you have morals, This game. over the years has shown me that, the good guys where the 03's to 05's. good guys. made this game what it is today. the rest of you I wish you would go back to wow, rly i do.

Very Happy

P.S. one more ***geddon and ill let this game go inactive for a long time, i dont like greif and for ppl to just want "TEARS". well thats a pice of **** for a human being, and i dont like to even be on the same server shareing my data packets with such ppl. just the thought will make me log for the day. tbh dust looks good because it will have eve, and none/few of you.

well rather, leaste i can shoot you in the face for fu*kin me over while you patted my head. Oh good friend of mine.

pricks. Idea


U mad. Shocked

Also don't fall off your high horse. From your bio:

"raaaaaw


give me yer isk or ill blow you up, there is no other option."

P.S. poasting attacks with alt is weaksauce.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.03.09 16:58:00 - [382]
 

Originally by: gawdofman

P.S. one more ***geddon and ill let this game go inactive for a long time, i dont like greif and for ppl to just want "TEARS". well thats a pice of **** for a human being, and i dont like to even be on the same server shareing my data packets with such ppl.


Better leave now then, because it will come.

No worries though, we won't miss you and bad language.

ciao!


gawdofman
Posted - 2011.03.09 17:00:00 - [383]
 

too bad its all correct.

but, this is my main...dontcha know?

Good Day.

gawdofman
Posted - 2011.03.09 17:04:00 - [384]
 

<3

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.03.09 20:03:00 - [385]
 

Originally by: gawdofman


leaste i can shoot you in the face for fu*kin me over while you patted my head. Oh good friend of mine.

pricks. Idea


LoL, butthurt gawdofman is butthurt. I always get a laugh from this logic. The "you're a prick in this game so I am going to kill you" logic.

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.09 20:26:00 - [386]
 

Originally by: Karl Planck
Originally by: gawdofman


leaste i can shoot you in the face for fu*kin me over while you patted my head. Oh good friend of mine.

pricks. Idea


LoL, butthurt gawdofman is butthurt. I always get a laugh from this logic. The "you're a prick in this game so I am going to kill you" logic.


I must say your avatar is especially smug.

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.03.09 21:07:00 - [387]
 

Originally by: Mighty Dread
Originally by: Iam Widdershins
I believe it is immoral to mine in the same belt as someone else if you think they might want to mine the whole thing themselves.


Interesting, I have moved on from belts if I see there is already someone mining there. So, even though I could take the attitude of "To hell with you buddy, I'm gonna get mine" I respect the claim and move on. Mind you if I knew it was a bot I'd be in there irregardless. But I think that is the question: Is there respect for your fellow players? Even in the most hostile of situations in EVE respect for all that play ensures everyone has fun.

Clearly you are a sociopath.

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.03.09 21:10:00 - [388]
 

Originally by: gawdofman
eve has no "good" players, they left long ago.


lets face it, if we didnt have laws most of you would steal, lie, ****, murder without a 2nd thought, you would think "pfft the hell with him/her im getting mines" and yes, if you steal in this game, you would in rl, or atleaste would if you didnt end up getting ass pounded by bubba, thats fact. you lie you cheat you steal, you have no morals, thank god for laws.


oh btw, guys go **** kis and go home to there family, guys steal from church and go home to there familys, u have no idea..i can give a damn about a cryign kid or if the guy has a chick to bang... hes still a pice of S*IT. AND THAT U CAN TAKE TO THE BANK.

this game is half dead, i dont recomend it to my friends anymore, as most just get F8cked over by sum pice of crap for a person.

seen this for years, and for years its just..its fu*kin pathetic.


do not trust anyone, form your own corp with ppl you know have the same mindset with you. you jump on comms and they sound lika prick or a lil ***** who didnt get enough of mommys tit, tell em to suck a D*ck and kick em.

do your homework on ppl, talk with them for a few days, ask em question just as if you where gonna fu*k em, not over..but like lay pipe. "whats your likes, how do you feel about ***" see how they respond.

wanna make this game better? talk to your playrs with voice. learn where they live so on.

I do cross ref on all my players, even ip traces to conferm they are in the same state or country they say, if anything is not right, i kick em out...set em red, period.

very few of you have morals, This game. over the years has shown me that, the good guys where the 03's to 05's. good guys. made this game what it is today. the rest of you I wish you would go back to wow, rly i do.

Very Happy

P.S. one more ***geddon and ill let this game go inactive for a long time, i dont like greif and for ppl to just want "TEARS". well thats a pice of **** for a human being, and i dont like to even be on the same server shareing my data packets with such ppl. just the thought will make me log for the day. tbh dust looks good because it will have eve, and none/few of you.

well rather, leaste i can shoot you in the face for fu*kin me over while you patted my head. Oh good friend of mine.

pricks. Idea

I ask this purely for posterity's sake:

Are you mad?

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.09 21:34:00 - [389]
 

Edited by: Maverick2011 on 10/03/2011 12:01:09

blablablabla im a sociopath and will do in game all i cant in real life so deal with it blablablabla

You know their talking and reasons, no need to try to "turn" them into something they can't. And some of them replied like 20 times in a terrible need to prove their are not sick like that Daphne "Cry Cry Lemme Steam My Rage Against Others I'm Normal I Swear". Its funny to see these poor bastards trying to get heir twisted point of view valid no matter how stupid they can get to.

Its ok to be an ass, they can and will do it for "lulz". They wont regret, feel bad or anything but immense pleasure or griefing. That's the typical sociopath. Of course they can't feel anything for others being it virtual or real. The virtual aspect of the game is THE PERFECT PLACE to be themselves without social and law punishment.

Sad to read people like that one with such terrible NEED to be themselves only in a game, so much anger and frustration carrier from their lives.


Btw their behavior scream so much about sociopathy i took a second to copy this from wiki:

Signs and symptoms of Sociopathy

Characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder may include:[3]

* Apparent lack of remorse[4] or empathy for others -check
* Persistent lying or stealing -check
* Cruelty to animals[5] -idk
* Poor behavioral controls expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper -check
* A history of childhood conduct disorder -idk
* Recurring difficulties with the law -check
* Promiscuity -idk
* Tendency to violate the boundaries and rights of others -check
* Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights -check
* Inability to tolerate boredom -check
* Poor or abusive relationships -check (grifing friends is ok)
* Irresponsible work behavior -idk
* Disregard for safety -idk

Other common characteristics of those with Antisocial Personality Disorder include superficial charm, shallowed emotions, a distorted sense of self, a constant search for new sensations (which can have bizarre consequences), a tendency to physically or verbally abuse peers or relatives, and manipulation of others without remorse or empathy for the victim. Egocentrism, megalomania, lack of responsibility, extroversion, excessive hedonism, high impulsivity, and the desire to experience sensations of control and power can also be present. This type of disorder does not relate to assaults of panic or to schizophrenia.

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.03.15 17:51:00 - [390]
 

Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 15/03/2011 17:52:21
Originally by: Maverick2011
summary: wikipedia definition of sociopathy says EVE griefers are sociopaths

Too bad the definition of what makes you a sociopath has nothing to do with what you do in games. If this were real life then it would be concerning. Unfortunately it turns out that EVE is a game, and for all your whining and psycho-bullsh*t-analyzing these things are not an indication of, nor in correlation with, real-life behavior.

edit: god damn commas


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