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Argat Bogotsch
Posted - 2011.01.18 21:42:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Faolan Fortune
Kuvakei welcomes every pilot to the beautiful rebirth of the great Sansha's Nation...

The power you've seen so far pales in comparison to the oncoming storm.


I therefore recommend everyone to bring an umbrella. Maybe some rain boots. A jacket too - it could get a little cold. Cool

Jenlura Taron
Republic Fleet
Posted - 2011.01.18 21:50:00 - [32]
 

Sansha's Nation forces have been detected in the Seyllin system. I hope someone has solved that cipher by now!

Froosh
Incidental Damage
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2011.01.18 21:57:00 - [33]
 

Multiple fleets enroute.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2011.01.18 22:05:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/01/2011 22:05:13
"We are not equal; cut us twice and we are."

My guess: trees. They grow to different heights, but cut them down, and the stumps are level.

edit: Assuming it's a riddle at all.

Russell4
Gallente
Moonshine Industries
Posted - 2011.01.18 22:09:00 - [35]
 

Seyllin, wasnt that the first system to have wormhole incursions of the sleeper kind? i blame the sleepers for sansha claus...ugh

Caspardian
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2011.01.18 22:24:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Caspardian on 18/01/2011 22:26:38
As a pilot of the Gallente Federation and as a native of the Minmatar Republic, I will be more than happy to assist to repelling incursions that trespass on the territory of either of those two factions.
However, it should be noted that the capsuleer community, as a whole, will need to be properly coordinated to properly defend against the threat.

It is my suggestion that anti-Nation pilots join channels such as "SYNEPublic" and mailing lists such as "FCORD" to receive additional information and orders having to do with Sansha attacks.

Both of those information sources are (as far as I know) public, and available to any who are not known Sansha sympathizers.

Caspardian
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2011.01.18 22:26:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Caspardian on 18/01/2011 22:26:10
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I will happily defend the Republic, just as soon as their government contacts the Empress to ask for an Amarrian viceroy to rule over them.


I hope you're joking. After years of slavery and oppression, you expect us to ask for Amarrian rule?

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.18 22:57:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Russell4
Seyllin, wasnt that the first system to have wormhole incursions of the sleeper kind? i blame the sleepers for sansha claus...ugh


Indeed.

It makes me wonder if they're after Isogen-5.

Usaretama
Exiled Guard
Posted - 2011.01.18 23:00:00 - [39]
 

News from the front.

We weren't able to stop the Sansha. Without capital support, there's no way could take down that supercarrier. Lieutenant Taron, I'd recommend seeing if you can get some of the Fleet's eggheads to figure out what Sansha would want with a core fragment from Seyllin. That's what Slave Heavenbound02 was after, and Sansha isn't stupid enough to tip his hand about the new capitals he has unless it was something he had to secure at all costs.

-Usaretama

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
Posted - 2011.01.18 23:03:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Russell4
Seyllin, wasnt that the first system to have wormhole incursions of the sleeper kind? i blame the sleepers for sansha claus...ugh

Seyllin was also the place of the Seyllin Conference (14th-15th of August 113), where strategies to engage hostile Nation forces were discussed. Nothing noteworthy though... Oh wait! Now I remember: I killed a Gallente industrial en route back to Khanid.

Izanami Rei
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.01.18 23:06:00 - [41]
 

Cutting two lines can turn make four small parts of one big shape. In the eyes of megalomania it could be a comparison of one big Nataion and four small Empires.

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.01.18 23:19:00 - [42]
 

I would like to request a brief After-Action Report for those who were unable to make it to Seyllin in time. From what I can gather, the defence was...unsuccessful, but I know that I for one would like a few more details of what was fielded by the Sansha and what they did.

Mattalious
Posted - 2011.01.18 23:34:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Mattalious on 18/01/2011 23:34:55
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
I would like to request a brief After-Action Report for those who were unable to make it to Seyllin in time. From what I can gather, the defence was...unsuccessful, but I know that I for one would like a few more details of what was fielded by the Sansha and what they did.



It went poorly. It's safe to say we under-estimated Sansha technology. All I can tell you is that drones and frigates were like spitting into the wind, and were wiped out by multiple high energy bursts.

Damn it, there's too may wrecks floating around the planet now...too many...


Nae Kydwon
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.18 23:34:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Nae Kydwon on 18/01/2011 23:45:41

So I flew in covert for some great pics of the Nation Supercarrier.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3289/sanshasupercarrier20110.pngPlease visit your user settings to enable images.
Pretty slick looking, for a cursed enslavement ship.
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1896/sanshasupercarrierapori.pngPlease visit your user settings to enable images.

Heard it blew up, which would have made an even better pic if you ask me. XD

MidasMulligan
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2011.01.18 23:35:00 - [45]
 

The carrier left after firing some kind of weapon at the planet. A number of sub-capital Sansha ships jumped through to cover the escape, and they are now gone as well. There is nothing but a field of wrecks being picked over by pirates now. Apparently the Nation was successful today.


All I know is, I yoinked a lot of t2 loot today.

Froosh
Incidental Damage
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2011.01.18 23:38:00 - [46]
 

I lost my Machariel - 2 bisk :<

Davon Kastire
Caldari
Hit it n' Quit it
Posted - 2011.01.18 23:48:00 - [47]
 

Cut us twice and we are? That tells me that they say they're forces are superior four fold. Cut Thier forces twice, that makes four fourths...and then they're fourth is equal to our whole... ...I hope I'm wrong.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2011.01.18 23:58:00 - [48]
 

Aren't there puzzle clubs at the University of Caille that can handle this?

Ikarus Gaul
Gallente
Eiffel Initiatives
Posted - 2011.01.19 00:06:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Ikarus Gaul on 19/01/2011 00:08:32
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/01/2011 22:05:13
"We are not equal; cut us twice and we are."

My guess: trees. They grow to different heights, but cut them down, and the stumps are level.

edit: Assuming it's a riddle at all.


If you cut twice, equally, what once was one becomes four. I beleieve the quote is in reference to the fact that Nation is inherherntly unified, whereas the empires are bickering and disunified and constitute four major blocs.

EDIT: and have been particularly disunified since factional warfare broke out. They had the potential for true, flexible, non-monolithic unity in the now-passed "Golden Age" where CONCORD constituted (part of) the binding agent between the empires.

Interesting, it echoes of the Macapar Prophecy [spelling?] to me...

Mattalious
Posted - 2011.01.19 00:13:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Davon Kastire
Cut us twice and we are? That tells me that they say they're forces are superior four fold. Cut Thier forces twice, that makes four fourths...and then they're fourth is equal to our whole... ...I hope I'm wrong.


I can't fault your logic, and it's only going to get worse unless we pull together. Every battle we lose means another planet claimed by the Sansha.

Katsumoto
Caldari
Quam Singulari
Session Changes
Posted - 2011.01.19 00:22:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Froosh
I lost my Machariel - 2 bisk :<


http://kb.quamsingulari.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=46306

Nae Kydwon
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.19 00:32:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Nae Kydwon on 19/01/2011 00:32:12
Originally by: Faolan Fortune
Kuvakei welcomes every pilot to the beautiful rebirth of the great Sansha's Nation...

The power you've seen so far pales in comparison to the oncoming storm.

There's an old saying I read in a few of the Amarrian history libraries near New Eve:

"Dewey Beats Truman"

Means that you would be wiser not to declare victory before the primary battle has ended.

I love my cigars. Cool

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2011.01.19 01:13:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 19/01/2011 01:14:15
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/01/2011 22:05:13
"We are not equal; cut us twice and we are."

My guess: trees. They grow to different heights, but cut them down, and the stumps are level.

edit: Assuming it's a riddle at all.


Originally by: Ikarus Gaul
If you cut twice, equally, what once was one becomes four. I beleieve the quote is in reference to the fact that Nation is inherherntly unified, whereas the empires are bickering and disunified and constitute four major blocs.

EDIT: and have been particularly disunified since factional warfare broke out. They had the potential for true, flexible, non-monolithic unity in the now-passed "Golden Age" where CONCORD constituted (part of) the binding agent between the empires.

Interesting, it echoes of the Macapar Prophecy [spelling?] to me...


Well, that took a lot fewer iterations than I expected. I too was thinking of Macaper, as I always do when major events occur. I was hoping to get some brainstorming going before broaching the subject, as opening up about Macaper right off the bat, tends to have one regarded as insane.

But yes... "What was many now becomes one, when one becomes four." Many individuals blended together into one, to create Sansha's insta-capsuleers. One species, humanity, divided into four...

Interesting times.

Sylorin
Caldari
MMZ Laboratories LLC
Posted - 2011.01.19 01:14:00 - [54]
 

Captain Taron,

I'm curious to know how you recieved your information. Since you made it general knowledge that your people found a way to get solid intel on the Nation, I'm sure Nation is currently changing their systems. I doubt you'll get into any more trouble. And you might just give one of a key to gaining more intel for the next time.





Aradinae
Posted - 2011.01.19 01:32:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Aradinae on 19/01/2011 01:32:12
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Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.01.19 01:34:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Ikarus Gaul

If you cut twice, equally, what once was one becomes four.

Interesting, it echoes of the Macapar Prophecy [spelling?] to me...



Thats exactly what the sixth event of the prophecy was...
Quote:
“what was many now becomes one when one becomes four”

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2011.01.19 01:41:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Ikarus Gaul

If you cut twice, equally, what once was one becomes four.

Interesting, it echoes of the Macapar Prophecy [spelling?] to me...



Thats exactly what the sixth event of the prophecy was...
Quote:
“what was many now becomes one when one becomes four”


I guess now we know which little brother was coming home.

Deceiver's Voice
Posted - 2011.01.19 02:40:00 - [58]
 

Understood.

iyammarrok
Posted - 2011.01.19 03:08:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Jenlura Taron
It reads as follows:

"We are not equal; cut us twice and we are."


the problem here as i see it is very simple... this is FAR too vague to actually have a direct numerical answer...

1 object cut twice = 4 objects... but, if we use that as the basis, it could be

1,4
3,12
5,20
7,28

etc etc, all of these make sense, and fit the clue.

in my mind, this means it isn't a numerical value we are looking for, more likely some reference to obscure lore, pertaining somehow to nation or the empires.

Considering that Kuvakei has shown on more than one occasion his belief that he is far better than the denizens of the empires, and that he thinks us to be fools, perhaps it is something obvious.

though it may be FAR too obvious, perhaps Unity, or Nation are the correct response to this code...

not that i believe for a moment that nation is a force for good. i have seen what Kuvakei is capable of.

For Intaki.

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.01.19 04:30:00 - [60]
 

I suspect the riddle is deceptively simple. "Equal" to me suggests mathematics; "cut" suggests something visual, as opposed to "divide." For example:

88 3333

These numbers are not "equal" in value, but if you "cut" the two 8's straight down the middle, you're visually left with four 3's, giving you equal values.

I'm guessing we're overthinking the problem, and the actual riddle and answer itself should seem obvious when we're done.


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