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Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:01:00 - [211]
 

When looking at the first stage of PI reworking, I am noticing that something is nerfed or broken here.

2 extractor heads on survey show 13516 units/hr, 310,890 units before hitting start program. After hitting start, those numbers changed to 12,152 per hour and 287,790 total.

When looking at the storage facility, I show an incoming number of 7434 units. That is almost 1600 less than the minimum I need to run the 3 factories there. Which, is a great deal less than what I was previously extracting as well. :-(

All of this was done on a 23hr timeframe, so as to mirror what work I did prior to the patch?

Why am I getting different numbers between survey and starting the program? Is this intended or broken in some way?

Also, where does that 7434 units incoming to the storage facility come from? It does not match anything from the extractor or its heads?







Dave Day
Amarr
Universal Freelance
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:04:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Zarak1 Kenpach1
Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 18/01/2011 19:44:40
I know ccp probably didn't intend it this way. But, it feels somewhat wrong that the only group in game that can be made black using the new character skin creator is the minmatar which are former slaves.

I really hope you all didn't do that on purpose otherwise you got some really racist devs. And some lost business...


If that's the case then i'm sure it's unintentional but as always those who want to take offence will I'm sure do so.

Never Mri
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:04:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Joss56
Originally by: Never Mri
I had a Planet that, after some tweaking could comfortably extract 4 resources. Those were processed into Processed Materials, and the output processed once more to make a Specialized Commodity... Transcranial Microcontrollers.
I even had a few extra basic industry processors.

But no more. Even with an Elite Command center, I simply can't get a 4th Extractor Control Unit running. I don't have the powergrid to add a single head unit to it. (The other 3 only run 1 head unit, and I've eliminated all extra industry and storage.)

...


You don't need several extractors anymore.
A single extractor is abble to collect several ressorces, you've just missed how to do it.


I'm still missing how to do it... It might be very intuitive, but I'm just not finding it. Please give a hint.

Teh Minez0r
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:05:00 - [214]
 

Edited by: Teh Minez0r on 18/01/2011 20:09:52
Originally by: Sirinda
Er...weren't you supposed to improve PI? I was able to manufacture single-planed P3 products before the change with level 3 CCs, now I can't even fit a third ECU, not to mention a fourth!

agree, the extractors take too much power from ground as the extractor heads self use power aswell. Therefore the storage facilities r still useless, using a spaceport instead doubles the storage capacity while u never ever reach the CPU limit. What about 2600 CPU load for an extractor instead of 2600 power? would make more sense imho anyway as the extractor itself is the "brain" while the extractor heads are the tools...

edit: imho there's no way extracting different raw materials with a single extractor...

Rath Kelbore
Kings of Kill
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:07:00 - [215]
 

Edited by: Rath Kelbore on 18/01/2011 20:39:08
Originally by: Illadelph Justice
(cross posting from the issues thread because i thought i was posting in the feedback thread)

i'd make the suggestion that CCP does what it can to fix the known issues that are identified, and when they feel that they've fixed it to the best of their ability, they give players the option of redoing their portraits a few weeks from now. it seems a lot of people are unhappy with what they've created mostly because they did not understand the functionality of the character creator.

i myself have not tried it yet, I still have 4 hours of work to go before i download the update. wish me luck.

just a suggestion.


QFT and good luck

Also, why so many complaints about the creator? Just because it's not so awesome that you crapped yourself and ejaculated at the same time, doesn't mean it's not a HUGE improvement.

My characters right now, depending on the day, are a pair of disembodied eyes and a huge cheshire cat smile, or a very dated looking portrait with missing eyes. How can this new creator be worse??

There will be more clothing and accessory options rolled out I'm sure, it may be a bit bland atm but give it some time.

As for the complaints about the old ass cpu's that aren't going to work anymore, buy a new fracking computer ffs. Hell for that matter, buy a used computer that isn't as old as the one you are currently using. As far as PC games go, eve is pretty undemanding on hardware. My computer is over 3 years old and I run 3 clients with all the graphics up. Come on.


Janne Gear
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:12:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Never Mri
Originally by: Joss56
Originally by: Never Mri
I had a Planet that, after some tweaking could comfortably extract 4 resources. Those were processed into Processed Materials, and the output processed once more to make a Specialized Commodity... Transcranial Microcontrollers.
I even had a few extra basic industry processors.

But no more. Even with an Elite Command center, I simply can't get a 4th Extractor Control Unit running. I don't have the powergrid to add a single head unit to it. (The other 3 only run 1 head unit, and I've eliminated all extra industry and storage.)

...


You don't need several extractors anymore.
A single extractor is abble to collect several ressorces, you've just missed how to do it.


I'm still missing how to do it... It might be very intuitive, but I'm just not finding it. Please give a hint.


Decommission all your old extractors. Place a new one, submit, open extractorhead and hit Survey, choose a resource to extract, the time to run and set 1 to 10 extractor heads (the blue dots)... figure the rest out yourself, like I did :)

Eeio
Fire Paths Divide MInds
The United Corporations
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:12:00 - [217]
 

Thanks to CCP for my new Village People / Space Pimp look. Love it.

What is up with my retriever tho? Someone came by and plated it in pure gold or what?

Shiroi Ookami
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:14:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Never Mri
I had a Planet that, after some tweaking could comfortably extract 4 resources. Those were processed into Processed Materials, and the output processed once more to make a Specialized Commodity... Transcranial Microcontrollers.
I even had a few extra basic industry processors.

But no more. Even with an Elite Command center, I simply can't get a 4th Extractor Control Unit running. I don't have the powergrid to add a single head unit to it. (The other 3 only run 1 head unit, and I've eliminated all extra industry and storage.)

It feels like someone decided that I had it too easy. And that nobody should be allowed to make Specialized Commodities without carrying stuff from planet to planet.

So, as bad as I feel about that. Why do I feel just as bad that I can't make a new profile picture with bright red hair anymore?
Did the universe run out of red hair dye?


Totally agree about the PI statement have the same issue. PI is ruined compliantly now. At least they could of made 2 programs per extractor control unit so we could mine 4 materials using 2 extractor control units but no :) they had to make it more convenient for us Less clickage :). I am were disappointed by this dis-balancing decision from CCP side. to be honest I would rather click a lot more, the fly around thous scattered planet hauling materials and wasting even tens of time more time on this hauling "fun". i sincerely hope they shall make changes once again to this system on the next patch to the better more balanced mining side. Because atm i guess lots of people wont even gonna bother and will stop using PI for now do to changes made.

What goes for the avatars i am not that negative as the rest of the forum :) i think that the only thing which was missing was the variejaty of clothing and accessory's , tattoos.

Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:15:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
MUST we character create?

I think I prefer to be a black outline for the rest of my days in EVE.

Can't wait to see what the non-character created toon shadow looks like moving around in Incarna.


Not yet, It will be mandatory in the near future, though.

Unmerciless
Minmatar
Cadre Assault Force
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:16:00 - [220]
 

New shortcuts = awesome!!!!
Char. Creator = Ok!
Rest = Idk.

zcar300
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:16:00 - [221]
 

Pro:
- The texture quality of the faces looks awesome. Seriously.
- Mining mass amounts of one or two materials from a single planet now takes a lot less clicking.

Con:
- Scaring and other settings only effect the face. Not even the neck which is visible in our permanent portrait.
- Accessories visible in the permanent portrait are none existent.
- Only a few types of cloths. I understand we wont see most of the cloths until Incarna. But you can see shirts and outerwear in our permanent portraits. There are more players in EVE then people in Iceland but we all wear the same shirts and hair dues when getting our pilots license.
Please give us the option to take new portraits in Incarna. Not resculpt faces, just take new pictures.

- Higher power requirements for extraction means less materials extracted which in turn means higher prices. Small Corps, who already struggle to pay for POS's will suffer. Especially when Dust comes around.


EVE_ONLINE\Software\CCP\excellence:Enable 0 Sad

Ryanna Sahrvul
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:18:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: Joss56
Originally by: Never Mri
I had a Planet that, after some tweaking could comfortably extract 4 resources. Those were processed into Processed Materials, and the output processed once more to make a Specialized Commodity... Transcranial Microcontrollers.
I even had a few extra basic industry processors.

But no more. Even with an Elite Command center, I simply can't get a 4th Extractor Control Unit running. I don't have the powergrid to add a single head unit to it. (The other 3 only run 1 head unit, and I've eliminated all extra industry and storage.)

It feels like someone decided that I had it too easy. And that nobody should be allowed to make Specialized Commodities without carrying stuff from planet to planet.

So, as bad as I feel about that. Why do I feel just as bad that I can't make a new profile picture with bright red hair anymore?
Did the universe run out of red hair dye?


You don't need several extractors anymore.
A single extractor is abble to collect several ressorces, you've just missed how to do it.



Could anyone perhaps explain how this is done? or at the least put a link to a site that DOES explain it? because right now I am really fustrated with these new PI changes, I already had to transport stuff from planet to planet to make this work but now it is just ridiculous.

Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:20:00 - [223]
 

I think we'll get some leeway around Incarna. In fact, it could be that any clothes change in Incarna would be reflected in your character portrait - Taking a new 'picture' and sending it to the hamsters to sex up with high-res lightmaps and whatever shouldn't really be a problem.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a Dev. I have, however, played this game for over 2 years, and in the end, we're paying them. This means they'll have to keep us happy, and I think they will.

Akor Flandres
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:22:00 - [224]
 

where are the new forums wtf did i miss something

zcar300
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:22:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Janne Gear
Originally by: Never Mri
Originally by: Joss56
Originally by: Never Mri
I had a Planet that, after some tweaking could comfortably extract 4 resources. Those were processed into Processed Materials, and the output processed once more to make a Specialized Commodity... Transcranial Microcontrollers.
I even had a few extra basic industry processors.

But no more. Even with an Elite Command center, I simply can't get a 4th Extractor Control Unit running. I don't have the powergrid to add a single head unit to it. (The other 3 only run 1 head unit, and I've eliminated all extra industry and storage.)

...


You don't need several extractors anymore.
A single extractor is abble to collect several ressorces, you've just missed how to do it.


I'm still missing how to do it... It might be very intuitive, but I'm just not finding it. Please give a hint.


Decommission all your old extractors. Place a new one, submit, open extractorhead and hit Survey, choose a resource to extract, the time to run and set 1 to 10 extractor heads (the blue dots)... figure the rest out yourself, like I did :)


This does not let you extract more then on type of material with one extractor control unit.

One extractor unit = One material extracted .

Never Mri
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:22:00 - [226]
 

Edited by: Never Mri on 18/01/2011 20:23:32
Originally by: Janne Gear
Originally by: Never Mri
Originally by: Joss56
Originally by: Never Mri
I had a Planet that, after some tweaking could comfortably extract 4 resources. Those were processed into Processed Materials, and the output processed once more to make a Specialized Commodity... Transcranial Microcontrollers.
I even had a few extra basic industry processors.

But no more. Even with an Elite Command center, I simply can't get a 4th Extractor Control Unit running. I don't have the powergrid to add a single head unit to it. (The other 3 only run 1 head unit, and I've eliminated all extra industry and storage.)

...


You don't need several extractors anymore.
A single extractor is abble to collect several ressorces, you've just missed how to do it.


I'm still missing how to do it... It might be very intuitive, but I'm just not finding it. Please give a hint.


Decommission all your old extractors. Place a new one, submit, open extractorhead and hit Survey, choose a resource to extract, the time to run and set 1 to 10 extractor heads (the blue dots)... figure the rest out yourself, like I did :)


Yeah.. I think I know what the problem is. I was stuck on trying to extract the resources simultaneously, like I did yesterday. So I was looking for a way to make one head extract Base Metals, and another extract Noble Metals.

From now on, I'll need to cycle them. Log on, extract Base Metals for X hours, then {when that cycle ends} reset it to Extract Noble Metals for the next cycle, and so on. Edit{}

Sovetskii Rosisski
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:23:00 - [227]
 

Ok, who the hell moved the dock option, and can we move it back.

Isidore Tailleur
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:23:00 - [228]
 

Edited by: Isidore Tailleur on 18/01/2011 20:24:57
This looks like less polished then some alpha releases I have seen...

New features are just getting worse and worse ...

Star Searchers
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:24:00 - [229]
 

Hey there CCP, I think people are being generally unfair, the immense load that there must be on the toon creator while everyone of us is trying to fiddle around with making ourselves look like something that we will never be, it took me 3 hours to make this toon, I have found it very hard to work the system as the frame rate is terribly slow, jumpy and dam right annoying, please could we have sometime to practice with these changes before we are stuck with looks that we have to live with for the remainder of our time with eve? as for game play and changes there, I haven't got that far yet.
CCP you have done an amazing job with the deployment time and the updates were very much appreciated, go out get drunk raise a cheer and then come back tomorrow and start helping us sort this all out.
Thanks Guys and Gals this is a very ambitious expansion I for one have faith that it will be awesome.

Onnen Mentar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:27:00 - [230]
 

Oh my..

I'm actually laughing at how sad the user experience of the new character creator has been.

Not even a confirm box when you hit "save" to tell people in very clear terms what exactly the consequences will be! Laughing
Sad or Laughing just can't decide Confused

Sovetskii Rosisski
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:27:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Sovetskii Rosisski
Ok, who the hell moved the dock option, and can we move it back.


Other than that, not bad. No major issues.

Shianno
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:28:00 - [232]
 

I would also like the Dock option back to where it was.

Alicina Goodbody
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:30:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Gemberslaafje
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
MUST we character create?

I think I prefer to be a black outline for the rest of my days in EVE.

Can't wait to see what the non-character created toon shadow looks like moving around in Incarna.


Not yet, It will be mandatory in the near future, though.


Then we should be able to set the portrait lighting to 0.Cool

Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:33:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Gemberslaafje
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
MUST we character create?

I think I prefer to be a black outline for the rest of my days in EVE.

Can't wait to see what the non-character created toon shadow looks like moving around in Incarna.


Not yet, It will be mandatory in the near future, though.


Then we should be able to set the portrait lighting to 0.Cool


It'll get better... I'm just happy I'm not a CCP dev or I'd be crying by now... or more likely just ignoring the forums - which most of them do anyway. But I understand.

Originally by: Shianno
I would also like the Dock option back to where it was.


I just wished they'd stop moving stuff to begin with... We were used to the damn menus :P

RobW1
Caldari
Iyen-Oursta Salvage
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:36:00 - [235]
 

How do I access the new NEOCOM talked about here :

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=831


Sirinda
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:36:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Never Mri
Edited by: Never Mri on 18/01/2011 20:23:32
Originally by: Janne Gear
Originally by: Never Mri
I'm still missing how to do it... It might be very intuitive, but I'm just not finding it. Please give a hint.


Decommission all your old extractors. Place a new one, submit, open extractorhead and hit Survey, choose a resource to extract, the time to run and set 1 to 10 extractor heads (the blue dots)... figure the rest out yourself, like I did :)


Yeah.. I think I know what the problem is. I was stuck on trying to extract the resources simultaneously, like I did yesterday. So I was looking for a way to make one head extract Base Metals, and another extract Noble Metals.

From now on, I'll need to cycle them. Log on, extract Base Metals for X hours, then {when that cycle ends} reset it to Extract Noble Metals for the next cycle, and so on. Edit{}



So much for "fewer clicks". Now you get to reposition your extraction heads and tweaking the cycle. Sounds in no way tedious and overcomplicated.

And to think I was even looking forward to the changes.

Hidden Snake
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:40:00 - [237]
 

automatic update is not working again

all my settings are ****ed up again.

thank u dear CCP ... have to download again.

Can u make something right?

Kithia De'Rau
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:41:00 - [238]
 

Not happy with the 'grace period on portraits' I made an avatar and hit done after playing with the pictures. come to see that again, it looks horrible when made small. Cant go back and play with the portraits as the patch notes make it seem like you can since you cant save the avatar for viewing and go back to it! once you have an avatar you like you have to hit save or you don't have the avatar you just spent so much time one. that is not the description given in the patch notes.

Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:42:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Hidden Snake
automatic update is not working again

all my settings are ****ed up again.

thank u dear CCP ... have to download again.

Can u make something right?


If we all cancel our subscription and start playing WoW...

CCP would die and I would be bored to shyt cause I wouldn't be able to laugh at all the whiners all the time.

Fuyu'no Kiri
Beauvoir-Bourdieu
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:45:00 - [240]
 

Edited by: Fuyu''no Kiri on 18/01/2011 21:13:43
No more cumbersome and tedious shortcut editor could have been devised.

Not being able to select multiple entries at once + no possibility to use just the suppr key to remove one key = a lot of mouse travel and wasted time.


Edit: and here's more: you have to redo it for each of your accounts. Not sure I'm gonna turn that 2nd one solid.


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