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Ilena Grace
Power and Friendship and Heroism
Posted - 2011.01.18 01:13:00 - [1]
 

hello all, im starting from stratch as a new player again... last time I remember low sec ores were less valuable then highsec. But now I have recalculated again using the awesome power of excell spreadsheets and see that hemorphite is worth about 2.5x the value of veldspar and it just so happens I know a place where it spawns in lowsec. It seems to be a quiet region of space, that will go anonymously for now.

But anyway, I wanted some input about this from people who have tried to go to lowsec to mine there again, considdering the mineral landscape has changed. I will not be mining in expensive ships and will keep a few bpcs around so I can rebuild some cheap fit ships that can mine their own ISK worth of stuff in low sec in a couple of hours.

I dont want feedback from people who never tried it or seriously thought about it and only use lowsec for PvP and for insulting people not in their corporation.

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.01.18 05:18:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Kesshisan on 18/01/2011 05:18:17
http://xavier13.net/gallery/eve_ore.jpg

I'm pretty sure we all know where Hemorphite spawns. But go ahead if you want. I'm sure you'll be juuuust fine.

sacechic
Posted - 2011.01.18 14:50:00 - [3]
 

Ilena, friends don't let friends mine alone. Mining in low sec is thought by many to be insane, but there are ways to reduce the risks to yourself. First and foremost is to mine in a group with combat support. Secondly, equip warp core stabs to your ship. Third, sacrifice a high slot for a cloak. If hostiles are determined they will be ready for you to warp to a station for safety. It helps to have a POS in the system to enter and exit. Then prayer helps if you happen to be Amarr. Seriously though... if you want, you can convo me in game. My corp is recruiting and we look for mature, responsible players to enjoy the game with. We are 100% industrial but our sister corps are PVP-oriented.

If this sounds appealing to you, give me a buzz.

sacechic, CEO 104th Ranger Factory Division

Dirk Smacker
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Posted - 2011.01.18 15:12:00 - [4]
 

There's a ton of low sec mining going on. The difference is you mine moons and planets, not asteroids.

My Postman
Posted - 2011.01.19 14:12:00 - [5]
 

If you mine in lowsec, you will die. Itīs not a question of "if" but "when". If you are mining in another ship than a hulk, youīll be less effective.

That said, mining in a hulk in highsec in 99,9% secure, you might earn the same in lowsec in a less effective ship, with 100% chance of losing it.

Good luck with this endeavour.

Durnin Stormbrow
Posted - 2011.01.19 15:48:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Durnin Stormbrow on 19/01/2011 15:52:50
Originally by: My Postman
If you mine in lowsec, you will die. Itīs not a question of "if" but "when".


Absolutly true. If you fly lowsec long enough, you will die. Count on it.
That said, I've been scarebearing in a very quiet area in the ass end of lowsec for the last 4 months. In that time I've only been fired on once. That was on a gate, I survived, and the whole thing could have been avoided if I'd had either a scout or the intel connections I have now.

Still, I expect to die every time I undock and hope to be wrong once again.

Originally by: My Postman

If you are mining in another ship than a hulk, youīll be less effective.


As much as people talk down about the Covetor, it's really not a bad ship for mining in high risk areas. Yes, if you have high skills or fit a mining upgrade or two, the hulk gets more yield, but are you really going to take a hulk on a lowsec op without maxing out its tank?

Compare the Hulk's ship bonus (3% yield/level) to a Mining Upgrade II (9% yield). That means that a Covetor with a mining upgrade is as good as a Lv3 Hulk without one for 1/10th the cost. At Exhumer-IV the tanked Hulk gets 3% more yield, and with max skills the hulk is 6% better without upgrades; but that ship needs to pay for itself before you can realize any profits from having bought it.

Here's an old post where I broke down the ROI of a Covetor vs a Hulk. The isk/hr numbers are off for lowsec, but the principal is still there and applies even more so if your Hulk is running with a tank vs running a max yield setup.

Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
Posted - 2011.01.19 16:53:00 - [7]
 

Mining in lowsec is like having sex with a hooker. It is exciting and fun, but at the end of the day you are still out a lot of cash.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.01.19 17:13:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: My Postman
If you mine in lowsec, you will die. Itīs not a question of "if" but "when".


Newsflash: when you play a PvP oriented game, you die.

Golanik
Posted - 2011.01.19 18:41:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Golanik on 19/01/2011 18:42:03
Hemorphite is currently the most valuable lowsec ore, but with the recent spike in Nocxium prices, you can make a lot of money just mining Pyroxeres in 0.8. http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore

I trained up my exploration skills and now I find 4-6 Hemorphite belts in high sec and w-space grav sites per week, and make plenty of ISK that way. And it's a lot safer. I've only ever been fired on once in w-space, and my hulk made it back to the wormhole and survived.

Le Berurier
Posted - 2011.01.20 00:07:00 - [10]
 

The people required for low sec mining if you want combat support lower the income/time a lot. Means that it would be better for all your gang to team up for some usual boring missions and then buy the ore you need.

or not ?

My Postman
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:39:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow
Edited by: Durnin Stormbrow on 19/01/2011 15:52:50
Originally by: My Postman
If you mine in lowsec, you will die. Itīs not a question of "if" but "when".


Absolutly true. If you fly lowsec long enough, you will die. Count on it.
That said, I've been scarebearing in a very quiet area in the ass end of lowsec for the last 4 months. In that time I've only been fired on once. That was on a gate, I survived, and the whole thing could have been avoided if I'd had either a scout or the intel connections I have now.

Still, I expect to die every time I undock and hope to be wrong once again.

Originally by: My Postman

If you are mining in another ship than a hulk, youīll be less effective.


As much as people talk down about the Covetor, it's really not a bad ship for mining in high risk areas. Yes, if you have high skills or fit a mining upgrade or two, the hulk gets more yield, but are you really going to take a hulk on a lowsec op without maxing out its tank?

Compare the Hulk's ship bonus (3% yield/level) to a Mining Upgrade II (9% yield). That means that a Covetor with a mining upgrade is as good as a Lv3 Hulk without one for 1/10th the cost. At Exhumer-IV the tanked Hulk gets 3% more yield, and with max skills the hulk is 6% better without upgrades; but that ship needs to pay for itself before you can realize any profits from having bought it.

Here's an old post where I broke down the ROI of a Covetor vs a Hulk. The isk/hr numbers are off for lowsec, but the principal is still there and applies even more so if your Hulk is running with a tank vs running a max yield setup.



Iīm perfectly aware that you can do this in an insurable covator. Still my point stands that you WILL lose it sooner or later, and the cargohold of 4000 m3 is a pain in the ass.

More pain is spamming d-scan every 20 sec. If not doing that youīll can paint "please shoot me NAO" on your covetor.

Finally lowsec ore isīnt worth the enourmous amount of risk you are taking entering low, mining in low, bringing ore to station/leave station, haul ore out of low/leave low.

If someone has to do it/wants to its all right, just not me.

My Postman
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:43:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Originally by: My Postman
If you mine in lowsec, you will die. Itīs not a question of "if" but "when".


Newsflash: when you play a PvP oriented game, you die.


Newsflash: when i play a pvp oriented game, i want to be in a ship ABLE TO SHOOT BACK (before i die).Very Happy

Calfis
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.01.20 16:15:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: My Postman
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Originally by: My Postman
If you mine in lowsec, you will die. Itīs not a question of "if" but "when".


Newsflash: when you play a PvP oriented game, you die.


Newsflash: when i play a pvp oriented game, i want to be in a ship ABLE TO SHOOT BACK (before i die).Very Happy


Whose fault is it that you are not in a ship able to shoot back. Wink

Tiligean
Posted - 2011.01.20 16:48:00 - [14]
 

On rare occasions I mine in losec. I do so in a dead-end system, where everyone is already blue or in my corp, and I have at least one scout one system out. I agree about the Covetor vs. Hulk for price/performance. All it takes is that one mistake and you will lose that ship, so keep that in mind.

Here are some tips, in no particular order:

  1. Scout the belts, and bookmark the spots near the high value ores you want to mine. Often this is 15-20k off the warp-in, if you are smart you will bookmark spots that are at least 30+k from the warpin (they exist sometimes).

  2. Have a good insta-undock for you station you work out of, at least 1000k off the station. That way you aren't aligning to a belt right in front of a station - you HAVE to be probed out if you are unlucky enough to have a neutral enter system while you are undocking.

  3. Don't mine in top/bottom belts. Always pick a random one. If you can, be in a system with at least 10-12 belts, and don't mine at more than the middle 5-6.

  4. Be passively aligned to either a POS, safe or station while mining.

  5. First mine in grav sites. This means you have to get probed out, and the mineral value is higher. However, you don't always have them. Keep that in mind.

  6. Consider mining in WH out of losec. Sure, a lot of WH are occupied. But a snatch and grab ABC session in a WH might have more value than a few hours of dock/undock mining in losec.

Golanik
Posted - 2011.01.20 17:02:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tiligean

  • Consider mining in WH out of losec. Sure, a lot of WH are occupied. But a snatch and grab ABC session in a WH might have more value than a few hours of dock/undock mining in losec.
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    I've been able to mine enough Ark in random WH grav sites (one or two trips max each) to keep me funded for the foreseeable future. Some WH space is populated, but a lot of it still isn't, and it's very easy to get in and get out with a full load before anyone notices you at all.

    Beware the Sleepers, of course. They're a lot tougher than Sansha's Minions.

    Celia Therone
    Posted - 2011.01.21 00:17:00 - [16]
     

    Really, mine in a wormhole. You can ninja your way in but I'd be pretty tempted to drop a pos in a class 1 with a static to low sec (these tend not to see much traffic).

    Betters ores, less risk.

    Sig Sour
    Posted - 2011.01.21 00:23:00 - [17]
     

    If you scan a grav site down in low sec and you watch yourself, you will be fine. If someone comes into local, watch d-scan for probes (never been easier) and dock up the second you see them, don't push your luck. At that point it is like mining in a WH, but you get a local channel and a station to dock in. You can also score some 0.0 minerals if you mine in low sec grav sites.

    Kahega Amielden
    Minmatar Ship Construction Services
    Ushra'Khan
    Posted - 2011.01.21 00:32:00 - [18]
     

    Originally by: Sig Sour
    If you scan a grav site down in low sec and you watch yourself, you will be fine. If someone comes into local, watch d-scan for probes (never been easier) and dock up the second you see them, don't push your luck. At that point it is like mining in a WH, but you get a local channel and a station to dock in. You can also score some 0.0 minerals if you mine in low sec grav sites.


    All lowsec grav sites have 0.0 minerals. Some have gneiss and dark ochre, but most of what I saw when I was scanning was crokite.


     

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