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Andrea Exerlauka
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:19:00 - [151]
 

According to the devblog this is a bug and will be patched shortly. No need to buy new computers, no need for drama.

Ishtariel Torash
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:26:00 - [152]
 

I've no idea what my CPU is or what SSE2 instruction set is.

Might be back after the expansion, might not. Sad

Culsotu2
Der Verfluchte Engel
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:35:00 - [153]
 

me flyes to customs offices to empty all my planets for stuff
me set longest skill to train
me made my bed in shuttle docked in station
me takes a look at my 7 year old pc
me says goodnight

Sfynx
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:39:00 - [154]
 

We're talking about CPUs that were already discontinued before the initial release of EVE Online. They're that old. We should give CCP props for supporting them for so long, and personally I wouldn't put any effort in to support them again.

Trellish
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:41:00 - [155]
 

Edited by: Trellish on 17/01/2011 21:43:48
You guys realize that it's viable to play 3 clients at low quality simultaneously on an XP 2400 processor? or... it was.

As for how many other MMO's play on this hardware, obviously I can't speak to all of them, but I've played a number on this system... including (gasp!) WOW. The horror.

The Fail by CCP was not that they aren't supporting 9 year old hardware... but that they are changing their system requirements without making much effort to notify people.


Originally by: Dr Fighter
i thought chips of that kind couldnt use a graphics card that supported the minimum shader spec anyway, so isnt this rather moot?


Nope... minimum shader specs are fine with processors that old. Believe it or not, but that machine has no AGP... just a PCI slot. They did make PCI video cards that still supported the minimum shader specs. The PCI Sapphire HD 3850 for example.



Seriously.... the way they had it, the first I heard of the issue was going to be that I couldn't log in. Making changes that alter the system requirements of the game is important enough that it needs to be included on the splash screen as a heads up.

Ya know... buying or building a new comp takes some time. CCP telling us about important changes with enough leway that I could get the parts shipped out BEFORE the upgrade sure would have been nice.


Euriti
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:59:00 - [156]
 

90% of the 0.3% will be bots

Goatse Girl
Posted - 2011.01.17 22:13:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: Goatse Girl on 17/01/2011 22:14:29
This is all I need, been looking for work for past 8 months and now I hear MY computer can't run Eve, which I PAY for! lazy programmers lame excuses,saying it's too old when it isn't the case, I can play CoD just fine! I'm sure this will get a few laughs from you guys but not everyone can afford flashy computers!

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.01.17 22:14:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Euriti
90% of the 0.3% will be bots


I would bet on a higher amount than 90%. More like 97-98%.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.01.17 22:26:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Spurty
moral of the story is "if your gaming rig isn't bleeding edge, no one except you is at fault".
Not even that. The moral of the story is rather "if your gaming rig is 4-5 generations behind, and you still choose not to upgrade, don't be surprised to wake up and find it obsoleted."

We're way beyond "not bleeding edge" here.

Br41n
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.01.17 22:31:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Mitchell Hagen
Originally by: Teibor
This wont affect me, but to let anyone who does have 1 of these older chips know only 2 days prior to the update stinks imo.

This!!

It turns out that I am affected by this. My 2005-vintage computer runs EVE fine, with graphics settings turned down to low. I can run two instances of the EVE client without difficulty. Sometimes the frame rate is low but I don't play EVE to make fraps movies.

I only found out about this when the Sisi client started crashing after I updated it last week. Then I looked up the SSE2 message and found this thread.

I think it is wrong for players to be told of such a change only two days or so before a patch when subscriptions are paid for with longer periods. Has CCP indicated exactly why this change is necessary?

I cannot upgrade my computer because I lack the money.



You bought a cheap ass comp in 2005? thats when the athlon 64 came out.
and no money? how the **** you pay for internet and eve then? you can get a mobo with a graphics chip, proc, and memory for less than 100$ that will run eve fine and is faster than ur crap.

Birdman Ravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.17 22:37:00 - [161]
 

CCP probably didn't notice this because CCP doesn't have any test machines with processors old enough.

Seriously, non-sse2 processors aren't sold or manufactured anymore. CCP can't just newegg a P3 or Athlon to check for compatibility. They'll just have to pray Ebay has the dinosaur crap hardware they need the set up a test rig for the next patch.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.01.17 22:41:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Br41n
You bought a cheap ass comp in 2005? thats when the athlon 64 came out.
Athlon64 came out in 2003

Tiliam
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.17 23:32:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Euriti
90% of the 0.3% will be bots


I would bet on a higher amount than 90%. More like 97-98%.


^^ This. It's a secret unholy rage - they'll monitor the reduction in bot activity before deciding whether to patch the client to allow the game to run on old hardware. I just hope when they do patch it they only give people with the old hardware the code which doesn't need SSE2 and the rest of us can enjoy more efficiency in our code execution due to the utilisation of more instruction sets.

Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
Posted - 2011.01.17 23:34:00 - [164]
 

I've upgraded my motherboard twice since this thread started.

Rosalina Sarinna
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2011.01.18 00:01:00 - [165]
 

Edited by: Rosalina Sarinna on 18/01/2011 00:05:10
Originally by: Sfynx
We're talking about CPUs that were already discontinued before the initial release of EVE Online. They're that old. We should give CCP props for supporting them for so long, and personally I wouldn't put any effort in to support them again.


Close, but no cigar.
May 2003 was EVE Online release date, and according to wikipedia, the release date for the Athlon XP 2900+ (2GHz) (AXDA2900DKV4E) was December 2004 YARRRR!!

Your point is still agreed upon though Razz I don't have a problem with my backup PC (an XP3000+) not being able to run EVE anymore; I upgraded years ago to an XP4200+; just means I would have to fix my PC faster to play EVE again if it had problems.

Mitchell Hagen
Posted - 2011.01.18 04:53:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Br41n
Originally by: Mitchell Hagen
Originally by: Teibor
This wont affect me, but to let anyone who does have 1 of these older chips know only 2 days prior to the update stinks imo.

This!!

It turns out that I am affected by this. My 2005-vintage computer runs EVE fine, with graphics settings turned down to low. I can run two instances of the EVE client without difficulty. Sometimes the frame rate is low but I don't play EVE to make fraps movies.

I only found out about this when the Sisi client started crashing after I updated it last week. Then I looked up the SSE2 message and found this thread.

I think it is wrong for players to be told of such a change only two days or so before a patch when subscriptions are paid for with longer periods. Has CCP indicated exactly why this change is necessary?

I cannot upgrade my computer because I lack the money.



You bought a cheap ass comp in 2005? thats when the athlon 64 came out.
and no money? how the **** you pay for internet and eve then? you can get a mobo with a graphics chip, proc, and memory for less than 100$ that will run eve fine and is faster than ur crap.

Long story short, I lost my job a couple of months ago. How to pay for EVE? I can buy PLEX in-game, you may have heard of them. Computer upgrade? That's not easy to do on two days' notice even at the best of times.

So I've sent out an in-game letter to the corpies to tell them that it may be a while before I'm able to play again, set a skill training that takes 32 days to train, filed a petition and resigned myself to the fact that I may not be able to play again for a while. Sometimes stuff just happens and we must deal with it as best we can.

Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
Posted - 2011.01.18 04:56:00 - [167]
 

Edited by: Aessoroz on 18/01/2011 05:02:45
Edited by: Aessoroz on 18/01/2011 05:01:17
Edited by: Aessoroz on 18/01/2011 04:59:36

If anyone wants to find out their CPU SSE info, download CPU-Z, an awesome mini tool to do such a thing.
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

it lists the SSE versions on the first tab in a box labeled "Instructions"

Here's how it looks for my computer
http://i.imgur.com/C1o4O.png

Quote:

Seriously, non-sse2 processors aren't sold or manufactured anymore. CCP can't just newegg a P3 or Athlon to check for compatibility. They'll just have to pray Ebay has the dinosaur crap hardware they need the set up a test rig for the next patch.

In theory, CCP just needs to find the SSE2 instructions which are kind of known/public knowledge/out there/everyone friggin knows and just do something else.

Now in other news, the character creator epically locks up my system, even though it's supposed to work...CCP fail?

Amy Array
Posted - 2011.01.18 05:49:00 - [168]
 

By my calculations I will be lol'ing my butt of when a ton of people find it's not their processors which will be the problem but their graphics cards and they won't be able to modify their character in aprox. 12 hours while I'm having lunch.

Aerion Va'rr
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.01.18 09:53:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Triple Entendre
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.

Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...


OI YA GIT. DA RED ONEZ GO FASTA! DAT'S JUST 'OW IT IS, 'CUZ GORK SAYS SO!


NO MORK SEZ SO!

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.01.18 10:11:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: NiiKleagh
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Neamus
Its possible to pick up a used Pentium 4 desktop (complete system minus the monitor) at the moment for around 50, in fact I just saw one go on ebay for 45. So for those unfortunate enough to be effected by this you've got some cheap options available.

If you ask nice enough you might even be able to get one for free. There are businesses around that throw perfectly good systems in the bin after just a few years, merely in order to comply with their internal hardware refresh policies.


Buy me one then. Come on, it's only 50 right?
Buy everybody one. It's only 50 right?

Oh right, different story when it's your 50 right?

Spending 50 because some lazy edgy kudos programmer is using the latest **** because somebody sold it to him for reasons they don't know is a bad reason.

1 = 1. 0 = 0. That hasn't changed. Computers have not fundamentally changed enough to stop anything from running.


Yes, 1=1 and 0=0, but the REST of us should not have to pay for the increased time it takes CCP programmers to include every system and platform under the sun.

You do realize that by you not paying money for an upgraded system, and the majority wanting an upgraded game, we all will have to pay money to afford CCP the luxury of programming for every platform. As in your example, sure - one extra platform may not cost a ton, but there are plenty of people out there with crazier, older, or more junky platforms than the one you have... so when do we stop paying extra to support .001% of the computer platofrms that are out there? should we go for .0001%?


The flying spaceships part of Eve isn't changing. Yesterday, they could play. Today they cannot. Nothing changed. They gained nothing. I gained a full body avatar I never wanted. I'd rather have had another player. I'd rather be on classic client. My mind invents better graphics than any artist will ever draw and any system will ever render.

Somebody somewhere got a new thing to put on his CV. Gratz for him.

Dani WH
Posted - 2011.01.18 10:21:00 - [171]
 

im on a Pentium 4 and a FX5200 (shader model 2.0)

is my rig able to run the next expansion? I could buy a HD3450 for 40 but its like a waste of money if you ask me lol... remember I need an AGP slot card.

StyphonUK
Caldari
Fearless Bandits
Fearless Bears
Posted - 2011.01.18 11:16:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: NiiKleagh
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Neamus
Its possible to pick up a used Pentium 4 desktop (complete system minus the monitor) at the moment for around 50, in fact I just saw one go on ebay for 45. So for those unfortunate enough to be effected by this you've got some cheap options available.

If you ask nice enough you might even be able to get one for free. There are businesses around that throw perfectly good systems in the bin after just a few years, merely in order to comply with their internal hardware refresh policies.


Buy me one then. Come on, it's only 50 right?
Buy everybody one. It's only 50 right?

Oh right, different story when it's your 50 right?

Spending 50 because some lazy edgy kudos programmer is using the latest **** because somebody sold it to him for reasons they don't know is a bad reason.

1 = 1. 0 = 0. That hasn't changed. Computers have not fundamentally changed enough to stop anything from running.


Yes, 1=1 and 0=0, but the REST of us should not have to pay for the increased time it takes CCP programmers to include every system and platform under the sun.

You do realize that by you not paying money for an upgraded system, and the majority wanting an upgraded game, we all will have to pay money to afford CCP the luxury of programming for every platform. As in your example, sure - one extra platform may not cost a ton, but there are plenty of people out there with crazier, older, or more junky platforms than the one you have... so when do we stop paying extra to support .001% of the computer platofrms that are out there? should we go for .0001%?


The flying spaceships part of Eve isn't changing. Yesterday, they could play. Today they cannot. Nothing changed. They gained nothing. I gained a full body avatar I never wanted. I'd rather have had another player. I'd rather be on classic client. My mind invents better graphics than any artist will ever draw and any system will ever render.

Somebody somewhere got a new thing to put on his CV. Gratz for him.


Unfortunately you are firmly in the minority here. 99% would much rather have better graphics than using your imagination. If you want to use your imagination go play a paper and pen RPG (no I'm not dissing them, I play paper and pen RPGs).

For people to expect legacy hardware to run a modern day MMO (yes, the game is 8 years old but it has been rewritten and updated a lot since then keeping it "modern") is absurd. I know financial times are hard (I've been out of work for 6 months) but to expect everyone to not go with the latest technology just so you can still play with your 10 year old machine smacks of arrogance.

Daktera Amaru
Posted - 2011.01.18 11:59:00 - [173]
 

I think I'm save, just updated to a 3gb dual core AMD Athalon 64 Bit with 4GB ram and a kick ass new GFX card and a HD Flatscreen... Stop using Prehistoric Dinosaur systems and see how much of a difference it is when you play Eve on full GFX and without any sort of lag spikes.

The fleet battles lag so much because of you people, running windows 3.11... *wink wink*

Mitchell Hagen
Posted - 2011.01.18 12:04:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: StyphonUK
For people to expect legacy hardware to run a modern day MMO (yes, the game is 8 years old but it has been rewritten and updated a lot since then keeping it "modern") is absurd. I know financial times are hard (I've been out of work for 6 months) but to expect everyone to not go with the latest technology just so you can still play with your 10 year old machine smacks of arrogance.

CCP did not intend to make these changes to the minimum system specifications. When CCP choose to make changes to the system specs, they usually announce these changes with plenty of advance notice. What has happened this time is that a third-party component had changed to require SSE2 support and by the time CCP discovered this the expansion was too close to launch.

The biggest problem is not that CCP changed the minimum system specifications. It is that there was insufficient notice given of this change. Fortunately, there was enough notice given that those of us who will be affected could enact contingency plans such as queuing a long skill. However, there will also be people who do not read the notices and who will be running the client tomorrow only to find that they cannot.

Yes, as one of those affected, I would rather be able to run the new patch tomorrow and muck around with the character creator and enjoy the other new features. Instead I must sit out for a while until I can get a computer upgrade, or hope that CCP remove the SSE2 requirement in a hotfix (for now, anyway). I accept that system specifications can change with new versions of software. For an example, look at the bloat of DOS and Windows over the years. All that I ask is that more notice be given in future of changes to the minimum system specifications.

StyphonUK
Caldari
Fearless Bandits
Fearless Bears
Posted - 2011.01.18 12:18:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Mitchell Hagen
Originally by: StyphonUK
For people to expect legacy hardware to run a modern day MMO (yes, the game is 8 years old but it has been rewritten and updated a lot since then keeping it "modern") is absurd. I know financial times are hard (I've been out of work for 6 months) but to expect everyone to not go with the latest technology just so you can still play with your 10 year old machine smacks of arrogance.

CCP did not intend to make these changes to the minimum system specifications. When CCP choose to make changes to the system specs, they usually announce these changes with plenty of advance notice. What has happened this time is that a third-party component had changed to require SSE2 support and by the time CCP discovered this the expansion was too close to launch.

The biggest problem is not that CCP changed the minimum system specifications. It is that there was insufficient notice given of this change. Fortunately, there was enough notice given that those of us who will be affected could enact contingency plans such as queuing a long skill. However, there will also be people who do not read the notices and who will be running the client tomorrow only to find that they cannot.

Yes, as one of those affected, I would rather be able to run the new patch tomorrow and muck around with the character creator and enjoy the other new features. Instead I must sit out for a while until I can get a computer upgrade, or hope that CCP remove the SSE2 requirement in a hotfix (for now, anyway). I accept that system specifications can change with new versions of software. For an example, look at the bloat of DOS and Windows over the years. All that I ask is that more notice be given in future of changes to the minimum system specifications.



But to expect CCP to test legacy hardware is ridiculous. 99.7% of Eve players run hardware that isn't affected. It is unreasonable to expect CCP to test every hardware configuration with modern hardware, let alone legacy equipment. They couldn't have known about this without testing legacy equipment. Therefore to expect more notice on an issue such as this is unreasonable. You're lucky that they noticed this at all before release.

Gillaboo
Posted - 2011.01.18 12:21:00 - [176]
 

As an earlier poster said, the affected "0.3%" (or whatever the actual numbers turn out to be) are likely slaving away in a bot-shop, looking after 10-12 machines each... "let 'em burn" !

Dani WH
Posted - 2011.01.18 12:31:00 - [177]
 

I wouldn't say a 2004 computer is a jurassic machine...

Should we buy a new rig every year or what?

It's OK that fps rate slows down because of modern graphics. Which is not tolerable is that the game doesn't even open at all Rolling Eyes

Gark32
Killer Koalas
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.01.18 12:36:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Dani WH
I wouldn't say a 2004 computer is a jurassic machine...

Should we buy a new rig every year or what?

It's OK that fps rate slows down because of modern graphics. Which is not tolerable is that the game doesn't even open at all Rolling Eyes
according to moore's law, a six year old machine is in fact pre-jurassic. pre-Cambrian, even. you could get an upgraded CPU from that machine for less than a burger and fries.

Sith LordX
Posted - 2011.01.18 12:37:00 - [179]
 

Edited by: Sith LordX on 18/01/2011 12:44:39
Originally by: Trellish
Uggghhhh!!!!

Thanks sasuk for the Info.


Way to go CCP for failing to even bother to make a serious attempt to notify us that our computers likely won't run eve shortly.

Did a quick search, and it looks like the 32 bit athlon XP 2400 doesn't support SSE2. For those who were wondering, the CPU ran eve just fine. Obviously med/low quality rather than ultra, but I didn't have a slideshow or anything like that... no major lag except for when jumping gates into a couple hundred man fleet... but everybody had that.

Sheesh CCP... one more fail to add to a very long list.




a)Cry me a river, b)Take your computer to a museum *$5 Antique on ebay*, c)Throw your computer off a bridge *Put it out of its misery its hurting from the stress*, d)Go and buy something that has more processing power then a coke vendor mechine. *Sarcasum*

These processors are discontinued +10 years ago. lol They were made before eve even existed. Rolling Eyes These things stand up to todays processors like a pebble does bouncing off Mt-Everest.

Daktera Amaru
Posted - 2011.01.18 12:41:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Gark32
Originally by: Dani WH
I wouldn't say a 2004 computer is a jurassic machine...

Should we buy a new rig every year or what?

It's OK that fps rate slows down because of modern graphics. Which is not tolerable is that the game doesn't even open at all Rolling Eyes
according to moore's law, a six year old machine is in fact pre-jurassic. pre-Cambrian, even. you could get an upgraded CPU from that machine for less than a burger and fries.


I got myself a 3GB Dual Core x64 proc for 27 bucks... so yeah, it's worth upgrading.


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