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Rosalina Sarinna
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:26:00 - [121]
 

My Backup PC, that used to run EVE perfectly well a year ago, is only sporting an Athlon 3000+ (not capable of SSE2). Its not impossible to see how some people are still using them as main PC's Razz

What I think is more amusing than anything is how often people upgrade their CPUs for such small benefit, causing this laughable 'decades ago' rhetoric. I tend to change CPU/Mobo when a CPU is totally outclassed by what is new in the market, not just a mere 200Mhz speedbump or an extra core. Otherwise its just a waste of money.

MaxxOmega
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:28:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.

Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...

MaxxOmega
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:32:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Y Berion
So, no more EVE on my ZX Spectrum 48K? Booooo

Excellent you remember those things too? I wish I was 20 years younger and 80 pounds lighter....

But I did just build a new rig 2 weeks ago I7-950, Crossfire, etc. Life is good...

SkinSin
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:32:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.

Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...

Nonononono. Blue with a red stripe!Wink

Triple Entendre
Atrocity.
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:34:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.

Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...


OI YA GIT. DA RED ONEZ GO FASTA! DAT'S JUST 'OW IT IS, 'CUZ GORK SAYS SO!

Hawk TT
Caldari
Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:36:00 - [126]
 

Ahaaa, then if such people DON'T WANT TO SPEND BUCKS ON "NEW" SECOND HAND HW, THEY DON'T WANT (AND NEED) TO PLAY!!!!

Playing computer games IS NOT NECESSITY, IT IS ENTERTAINMENT! If you have time for ENTERTAINMENT, YOU COULD SACRIFICE SOME ENTERTAINMENT TIME AND WORK A BIT FOR A CHANGE!


P.S. Would you mind to share with us your home country of living? Because my "comfort" is achieved by WORKING HARD!!! And I guess you DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOW YOU COULD EARN 100 USD IN A COUNTRY, WHERE 100 USD IS THE MONTHLY SALARY MANY PEOPLE GET!!!

Let me share some of my personal experience with "comfort":

1) When I was 10-12 y/o I used to collect used bottles and cans from around my neighborhood in order to return them for cash (If you know what I mean). That's how I was able to save some money for toys / books / bycicles etc.

2) When I was 12-14 y/o I used to get up @ 4:00 AM in order to go and resell newspapers & magazines in the trains departing from the Cetnral Railway Station. That's how I was able to buy decent looking second-hand "western" clothes (e.g. LUXURY stuff like 10 USD jeans, 2 USD color t-shirts), so I don't look like **** @ the high-school.

3) When I was 16-18 y/o I used to work every evnening helping people with their PCs, also doing some programming. That's how I was able to buy booze and go out with girls during the weekends.

If you "normalize" 100 USD through the "GDP per Capita" statistics, you get the following:

Spending 100 USD for a Bulgarian is = Spending 391 USD for an American



Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 17/01/2011 17:07:25
Originally by: Hawk TT
2) People who expect to play a MMORPG on an OBSOLETE PLATFORM and CLAIM THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY A NEW ONE are just plain TROLLS. While one could say that playing EVE for ISK (through PLEX) is the only viable option for many players, at least having Internet connection is as expensive as the EVE subscription and could not be paid for in ISK.

If you can't afford having A SECOND HAND PC for 40-80 USD, just GO FIND A RL JOB TO PLAY EVE.


Judging other people's lives based on how comfortable your own turned out is just plain ignorant.
It's not about whether a person has 40-80USD or not. It's about whether they have 40-80USD to spend on a hardware upgrade.

It's about whether they can get that money, and find a machine it will now run on. Most people will have no idea if the hard earned money they are about to spend will even get around the problem they have had forced onto them.

And they've got 2 days to find an answer. And on top of it, they've got you chastising them for not having been born with a silver quad core processor in their mouths.

I'm not even talking for myself. I'm talking for all the people I know exist out there, who right now feel exactly the same way I do when my car breaks down in the middle of nowhere, or when there is water cascading out of my kitchen ceiling and I'm getting charged 200 to have a 50 pence piece of pipe replaced.

I'm fortunate that you weren't there on either of those days. But you should look forward to the day when you are and I'm not.

MaxxOmega
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:44:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Triple Entendre
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.

Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...


OI YA GIT. DA RED ONEZ GO FASTA! DAT'S JUST 'OW IT IS, 'CUZ GORK SAYS SO!

Well if GORK says so, it must be true...

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:46:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Rosalina Sarinna
My Backup PC, that used to run EVE perfectly well a year ago, is only sporting an Athlon 3000+ (not capable of SSE2). Its not impossible to see how some people are still using them as main PC's Razz

What I think is more amusing than anything is how often people upgrade their CPUs for such small benefit, causing this laughable 'decades ago' rhetoric. I tend to change CPU/Mobo when a CPU is totally outclassed by what is new in the market, not just a mere 200Mhz speedbump or an extra core. Otherwise its just a waste of money.


We aren't talking about a mere 200 MHz speedbump here. We are talking about processors which are in the 1GHz range, running on PC133 SDRAM, using an AGP video card, and it actually might be possible that some of these computers actually have ISA slots in them. This REALLY IS technology which is a decade or more ago. It is very possible that these people have cars newer than their computers.

Rosalina Sarinna
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2011.01.17 18:02:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: Rosalina Sarinna on 17/01/2011 18:07:34
Edited by: Rosalina Sarinna on 17/01/2011 18:03:30
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Rosalina Sarinna
My Backup PC, that used to run EVE perfectly well a year ago, is only sporting an Athlon 3000+ (not capable of SSE2). Its not impossible to see how some people are still using them as main PC's Razz

What I think is more amusing than anything is how often people upgrade their CPUs for such small benefit, causing this laughable 'decades ago' rhetoric. I tend to change CPU/Mobo when a CPU is totally outclassed by what is new in the market, not just a mere 200Mhz speedbump or an extra core. Otherwise its just a waste of money.


We aren't talking about a mere 200 MHz speedbump here. We are talking about processors which are in the 1GHz range, running on PC133 SDRAM, using an AGP video card, and it actually might be possible that some of these computers actually have ISA slots in them. This REALLY IS technology which is a decade or more ago. It is very possible that these people have cars newer than their computers.


Erm nope, hehe...
My Athlon 3000+ is not SSE2 compatible, and that is 2.1Ghz. And runs DDR333 or DDR400 ram. Just for the record Very Happy
The speedbumps I was reffering to was the fact the CPU makers bring out maybe 6[?] processors a year, per range, and for some reason people upgrade their perfectly decent cpu with one that has 100Mhz or 200Mhz more... Who cares if Firefox opens 0.3 seconds quicker, or windows boots to desktop 1 second faster Laughing

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2011.01.17 18:11:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
It does today. Tomorrow it doesn't. Adapt or contract me your stuff, today please.
I bolded the important part.

I have no problem with the move to SSE2. I do have a problem with a 48 hours notice, for a game were the shortest subscription period is monthly... wait that's not even it.

It's the fact that it took an "epiphany moment" from a player, to figure out that their 3rd party started using an instruction set they didn't previously.

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.01.17 18:13:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: Shintai on 17/01/2011 18:23:57
BLeh!

SirSpectre
Gallente
Harbingers Of Destruction
Posted - 2011.01.17 18:22:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: SkinSin
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.

Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...

Nonononono. Blue with a red stripe!Wink


SUCH IGNORANCE!!!! Blue with Red stripe and speed holes! Geez. kids these days.

Titus Phook
Posted - 2011.01.17 18:40:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Y Berion
So, no more EVE on my ZX Spectrum 48K? Booooo

Excellent you remember those things too? I wish I was 20 years younger and 80 pounds lighter....

But I did just build a new rig 2 weeks ago I7-950, Crossfire, etc. Life is good...


48k spectrums? you guys were spoilt, mine was a 16k rubber beermat model and it's nearly 30 years since they came out. Still got mine, still works too, sits in the cupboard next to the BBC 'B', the c64 and the amiga 500

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.17 18:59:00 - [134]
 

Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 17/01/2011 19:03:36
Originally by: Dr Fighter
i thought chips of that kind couldnt use a graphics card that supported the minimum shader spec anyway, so isnt this rather moot?

there's a radeon 4670 or 4650 AGP
Originally by: Titus Phook
48k spectrums? you guys were spoilt, mine was a 16k rubber beermat model and it's nearly 30 years since they came out. Still got mine, still works too, sits in the cupboard next to the BBC 'B', the c64 and the amiga 500

To ruin your day: Spectrum ZX80 had 16k ROM + 48k RAM (6k were the 'video memory' lol)

Terazul
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.17 19:03:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Rosalina Sarinna

My AMD Athlon 3000+ is not SSE2 compatible

Well there you go! AMD sucked (at the time). What a surprise.

Originally by: Rosalina Sarinna
The speedbumps I was reffering to was the fact the CPU makers bring out maybe 6[?] processors a year, per range, and for some reason people upgrade their perfectly decent cpu with one that has 100Mhz or 200Mhz more... Who cares if Firefox opens 0.3 seconds quicker, or windows boots to desktop 1 second faster Laughing
Such people are hardly the norm. I don't know why you bring them up.

I, personally, upgraded my processor when it showed signs of CPU bottlenecking in my games... went from a Pentium 3 -> P4 Celeron -> Pentium 4 -> C2D -> C2Q (today). Substantial improvements in performance every time (though it was also usually accompanied by a RAM or GPU upgrade). About 2 years between upgrades.

Someone running on 5-year-old hardware really needs to get with the times...

Akira Kurosaw
Posted - 2011.01.17 19:11:00 - [136]
 

phew at least it says nothing about my co-processor...

Skawl
Red Federation
Posted - 2011.01.17 19:24:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 17/01/2011 19:03:36
Originally by: Dr Fighter
i thought chips of that kind couldnt use a graphics card that supported the minimum shader spec anyway, so isnt this rather moot?

there's a radeon 4670 or 4650 AGP
Originally by: Titus Phook
48k spectrums? you guys were spoilt, mine was a 16k rubber beermat model and it's nearly 30 years since they came out. Still got mine, still works too, sits in the cupboard next to the BBC 'B', the c64 and the amiga 500

To ruin your day: Spectrum ZX80 had 16k ROM + 48k RAM (6k were the 'video memory' lol)


It's amazing what they managed to do with the resources really. I remember playing Elite on my 48k rubber key speccy!

Titus Phook
Posted - 2011.01.17 19:26:00 - [138]
 

Enslaverof Minmatar, just to unruin my day and ruin yours, 16k was the base spec spectrum, 48k was the posh version, I've had both and upgraded the 16k to 48k with a RAM kit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum#ZX_Spectrum_16K.2F48K

There was also no spectrum zx80, the first sinclair was the zx81, z80 is the chipset, which it shared with the Research Machine Z80

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.17 19:40:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Titus Phook
Enslaverof Minmatar, just to unruin my day and ruin yours, 16k was the base spec spectrum, 48k was the posh version, I've had both and upgraded the 16k to 48k with a RAM kit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum#ZX_Spectrum_16K.2F48K

There was also no spectrum zx80, the first sinclair was the zx81, z80 is the chipset, which it shared with the Research Machine Z80

To unruin my day I had a floppy drive with a button that dumped all memory to a file which was basically a 'savegame'

Doppleganger
Minmatar
Band of Builders Inc.
Sodalitas XX
Posted - 2011.01.17 19:41:00 - [140]
 

I don't think the requirement of having to update hardware for some people is such a big deal its the 48 hr notice.

This problem doesnt effect me at all but if it did I would not be annoyed at having to do the upgrade but I would be ****ed as hell over the really really short notice of having to do so.

I mean the last hardware upgrade that was had to be done for EVE was video card related and even then they gave the community like 1 to 2 months notice it was coming not 1 to 2 days and vid cards are alot easier to replace on a shorter notice then cpu.

Kallehd
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.01.17 19:57:00 - [141]
 

I can spare the turbo from my Intel 386DX 33Mhz. Can I help anyone? Very Happy

MaxxOmega
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.01.17 20:06:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Originally by: Titus Phook
Enslaverof Minmatar, just to unruin my day and ruin yours, 16k was the base spec spectrum, 48k was the posh version, I've had both and upgraded the 16k to 48k with a RAM kit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum#ZX_Spectrum_16K.2F48K

There was also no spectrum zx80, the first sinclair was the zx81, z80 is the chipset, which it shared with the Research Machine Z80

To unruin my day I had a floppy drive with a button that dumped all memory to a file which was basically a 'savegame'

The first computer I had was one of these scary ass TI99 Machines. I had it for 2 days before I fried the EEPROM that boots it up by sitting it on my console (lol) TV. Got my money back cause I was sick of it already...

http://oldcomputers.net/ti994a.html

researcherforlife
Posted - 2011.01.17 20:10:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.

Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...


everyone knows red goes faster.
zog off Very Happy

K'uata Sayus
Posted - 2011.01.17 20:12:00 - [144]
 

EVE Community Unite!

Buy used Pentium 4/Athlon 64 PC's on Ebay and have them sent to CCP's office in Atlanta or Iceland, whatever!

Then CCP can ship to players with old CPU's for a nominal shipping fee!

You will feel warm and fuzzy knowing the Eve universe has not lost population, and additionally help used PC sellers and UPS/FEDEX through these tough times!

If you do this, CCP will provide you with a picture of the Eve player you helped, complete with a doey-eyed thank you look!

Please be generous, as these players just need someone to love them......




Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.01.17 20:23:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: K'uata Sayus
EVE Community Unite!

Buy used Pentium 4/Athlon 64 PC's on Ebay and have them sent to CCP's office in Atlanta or Iceland, whatever!

Then CCP can ship to players with old CPU's for a nominal shipping fee!

You will feel warm and fuzzy knowing the Eve universe has not lost population, and additionally help used PC sellers and UPS/FEDEX through these tough times!

If you do this, CCP will provide you with a picture of the Eve player you helped, complete with a doey-eyed thank you look!

Please be generous, as these players just need someone to love them......
They could sell them for plex too!

Stray Bullets
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.17 20:27:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: K'uata Sayus
EVE Community Unite!

Buy used Pentium 4/Athlon 64 PC's on Ebay and have them sent to CCP's office in Atlanta or Iceland, whatever!

Then CCP can ship to players with old CPU's for a nominal shipping fee!

You will feel warm and fuzzy knowing the Eve universe has not lost population, and additionally help used PC sellers and UPS/FEDEX through these tough times!

If you do this, CCP will provide you with a picture of the Eve player you helped, complete with a doey-eyed thank you look!

Please be generous, as these players just need someone to love them......
They could sell them for plex too!


WTB 3x Plex in Mhz! How much is it going for? 333mhz per plex? Embarassed

Aunty Nora
Posted - 2011.01.17 20:33:00 - [147]
 

Edited by: Aunty Nora on 17/01/2011 20:33:42
bad move by CCP this,
Not everyone is stupid enough to keep upgrading there hardware year in year out.

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.01.17 20:49:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Aunty Nora
Edited by: Aunty Nora on 17/01/2011 20:33:42
bad move by CCP this,
Not everyone is stupid enough to keep upgrading there hardware year in year out.


Hopefully everyone aint stupid enough not to upgrade their HW last 7-8 years.

NiiKleagh
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:09:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Neamus
Its possible to pick up a used Pentium 4 desktop (complete system minus the monitor) at the moment for around 50, in fact I just saw one go on ebay for 45. So for those unfortunate enough to be effected by this you've got some cheap options available.

If you ask nice enough you might even be able to get one for free. There are businesses around that throw perfectly good systems in the bin after just a few years, merely in order to comply with their internal hardware refresh policies.


Buy me one then. Come on, it's only 50 right?
Buy everybody one. It's only 50 right?

Oh right, different story when it's your 50 right?

Spending 50 because some lazy edgy kudos programmer is using the latest **** because somebody sold it to him for reasons they don't know is a bad reason.

1 = 1. 0 = 0. That hasn't changed. Computers have not fundamentally changed enough to stop anything from running.


Yes, 1=1 and 0=0, but the REST of us should not have to pay for the increased time it takes CCP programmers to include every system and platform under the sun.

You do realize that by you not paying money for an upgraded system, and the majority wanting an upgraded game, we all will have to pay money to afford CCP the luxury of programming for every platform. As in your example, sure - one extra platform may not cost a ton, but there are plenty of people out there with crazier, older, or more junky platforms than the one you have... so when do we stop paying extra to support .001% of the computer platofrms that are out there? should we go for .0001%?

Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:15:00 - [150]
 

HA! Stupid people buying hardware!
I still run windows 3.11 just fine!


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