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SkinSin
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:59:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Note how it doesn't say which Pentium and AMD processors are being supported… Razz

Are you suggesting that they should overclock an Am2901 by a couple of thousand percent just to make sure?

Yeah, I noticed that they didn't specify which one, but left it vague.
It would be awesome if they could overclock an Am2901 to that speed. Shocked

Ejit
Amarr
STD contractors
Posted - 2011.01.17 14:01:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Harris Dorn
Can I just get a copy of the stripped down thin client? Or maybe you can pass me on a copy of the one the botters use? My PC is fine for a few more years but when CCP ups the ante again or bloats the client I'm going to need something trimmed down.




Have you considered overclocking and cooling with liquid nitrogen

Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
Posted - 2011.01.17 14:05:00 - [93]
 

Looks like my 6-year-old laptop dodged the bullet. *Whew*

People with incompatible computers need to set a Loooooooooooooong skill to train before the upgrade! Very Happy

Neamus
Posted - 2011.01.17 14:18:00 - [94]
 

Its possible to pick up a used Pentium 4 desktop (complete system minus the monitor) at the moment for around £50, in fact I just saw one go on ebay for £45. So for those unfortunate enough to be effected by this you've got some cheap options available.

If you ask nice enough you might even be able to get one for free. There are businesses around that throw perfectly good systems in the bin after just a few years, merely in order to comply with their internal hardware refresh policies.

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2011.01.17 14:25:00 - [95]
 

Most AMD Semprons (socket A) built in 2004 (up to and including the Barton core) do not support SSE2 ... :-(

There is a possibility that EVE will still run using an SSE emulator for the Transmeta Crusoe, unless CCP ruins it by checking the CPU version. Also, AMD's SSEPlus library might be used to add SSE support to clients when the CPU's don't support it (are ~1000 users worth some testing CCP?).


Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.01.17 14:33:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Neamus
Its possible to pick up a used Pentium 4 desktop (complete system minus the monitor) at the moment for around £50, in fact I just saw one go on ebay for £45. So for those unfortunate enough to be effected by this you've got some cheap options available.

If you ask nice enough you might even be able to get one for free. There are businesses around that throw perfectly good systems in the bin after just a few years, merely in order to comply with their internal hardware refresh policies.


Buy me one then. Come on, it's only £50 right?
Buy everybody one. It's only £50 right?

Oh right, different story when it's your £50 right?

Spending £50 because some lazy edgy kudos programmer is using the latest **** because somebody sold it to him for reasons they don't know is a bad reason.

1 = 1. 0 = 0. That hasn't changed. Computers have not fundamentally changed enough to stop anything from running.

mogwai
Gallente
Sparks of Insanity
Posted - 2011.01.17 14:44:00 - [97]
 

ouch Sad

there goes eve for me then with my AMD xp2400 Confused

£50+ for an upgrade, sorry, but just getting back into work after 6 months unemployed in rl, i'd rather keep food on the table for my 2yr old daughter...

back to playing CoD2 and DoW collection methinks Confused

Xenuchrist
STK Scientific
Rolling Thunder.
Posted - 2011.01.17 15:12:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Xenuchrist on 17/01/2011 15:12:27
Originally by: mogwai
ouch Sad

there goes eve for me then with my AMD xp2400 Confused

£50+ for an upgrade, sorry, but just getting back into work after 6 months unemployed in rl, i'd rather keep food on the table for my 2yr old daughter...

back to playing CoD2 and DoW collection methinks Confused


Surely, a p4+mobo would be closer to £5 on ebay. Or you could do some dumpster-diving behind your local electronics store or recycling point.

Aeronwen Carys
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.01.17 15:33:00 - [99]
 

Holy crap, you people are actually complaining because your out of date pc can't play a modern game? Really? Does that mean I should go and ***** to Sony that my Playstation One can't play Far Cry 2? Because that is pretty much what your whining amounts to.

FYI, I am currently unemployed and signed off for medical reasons. I am in receipt of state benefits until I can finally go back to work and even I can afford to upgrade things. I just make some sacrifices here and there, go without fancy food for a few weeks and live on basics, and it might take me a few months but I get there in the end.

Quit your whining, go to a charity store, garage sale or bootfair. You can get a pc capable of playing eve for around £25 in the uk if you go on gumtree, or in the friday ad. And I'm damn sure there are places and publications just like them all over the world. Stop expecting progress to be halted because you are tight fisted.


Daelorn
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.01.17 15:46:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Holy crap, you people are actually complaining because your out of date pc can't play a modern game? Really? Does that mean I should go and ***** to Sony that my Playstation One can't play Far Cry 2? Because that is pretty much what your whining amounts to.

FYI, I am currently unemployed and signed off for medical reasons. I am in receipt of state benefits until I can finally go back to work and even I can afford to upgrade things. I just make some sacrifices here and there, go without fancy food for a few weeks and live on basics, and it might take me a few months but I get there in the end.

Quit your whining, go to a charity store, garage sale or bootfair. You can get a pc capable of playing eve for around £25 in the uk if you go on gumtree, or in the friday ad. And I'm damn sure there are places and publications just like them all over the world. Stop expecting progress to be halted because you are tight fisted.




There will always be people who are not happen.

"OH GOD MY GAME IS PROGRESSING, WTF CCP!"

CCP should just roll back to 2003.

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2011.01.17 15:50:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Pohbis on 17/01/2011 15:52:30
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Holy crap, you people are actually complaining because your out of date pc can't play a modern game? Really? Does that mean I should go and ***** to Sony that my Playstation One can't play Far Cry 2? Because that is pretty much what your whining amounts to.
Quit running your mouth. You're clueless.

FarCry 2 doesn't play on a PS1 for a reason.

EVE plays perfectly well on old Athlon XPs and other CPUs without SSE2. The hardware is more than capable of running EVE.

If they want to drop support for older hardware, that's fine. They've done so before for GFX cards, with advance notice, but this is a ****up.

They use 3rd party software and don't keep up on those builds? That instills a lot of confidence in their QA... even worse, giving paying customers 2 days notice is really really poor customer service.

Seeing as they weren't aware that their 3rd party started using SSE2, I doubt they've used it for any features in the expansion.

ILikeMarkets
Posted - 2011.01.17 15:59:00 - [102]
 

Wait... my Tandy won't run this anymore? You already phased out by lunchboxes... what else do you want from me?!?!

RAGE!!!!

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.01.17 15:59:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Pohbis
Edited by: Pohbis on 17/01/2011 15:52:30
...but this is a ****up.

They use 3rd party software and don't keep up on those builds? That instills a lot of confidence in their QA... even worse, giving paying customers 2 days notice is really really poor customer service.
...

CCP has neither been known for great customer service nor their quality assurance capabilities. Why should we expect them to be of decent caliber now?

CCP showed improvement with the delay in releasing the full incursion code base back in late 2010. Clearly CCP needs to continue work on their project management and QA methods in 2011.

Spacemiezi
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.17 16:05:00 - [104]
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sse2

CPUs supporting SSE2

* AMD K8-based CPUs (Athlon 64, Sempron 64, Turion 64, etc)
* AMD Phenom CPUs
* Intel NetBurst-based CPUs (Pentium 4, Xeon, Celeron, Celeron D, etc)
* Intel Pentium M and Celeron M
* Intel Core family (including Intel Core 2, Intel Core i5, Intel Core i7)
* Intel Atom
* Transmeta Efficeon
* VIA C7
* VIA Nano
--------------------

Notable IA-32 CPUs not supporting SSE2

* AMD CPUs prior to Athlon 64, including all Socket A-based CPUs
* Intel CPUs prior to Pentium 4
* VIA C3
* Transmeta Crusoe

Hawk TT
Caldari
Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
Posted - 2011.01.17 16:09:00 - [105]
 

Nvidia was under siege for months, because of the lack of support for SSE/SSE2 in their APEX/PhysX libraries. They've enforced SSE2 support in the recent builds and the latest PhysX 2.8.4.x has shown 3x / 4x performance increase on CPU (not only because of SSE2, but anyway). It's up to NVidia to decide whether they would like to support legacy code-paths (non SSE2) in their state-of-the-art APEX/PhysX framework or not.

It's not up to CCP, unless CCP decides to scrap the idea of the New Character Creator & Incarna...

Look at the issue from the following perspective:

1) Much more than 0.3% of the players invested in DX10/DX11 ATI/AMD videocards. ATI/AMD GPUs are not utilized by PhysX and ATI/AMD does not have PhysX alternative (for the time being). I cannot blame CCP for NOT waiting ALL vendors to come up with universal solution. They chosed PhysX, because it's the only end-to-end Cloth & Hair framework ready for production. At least, with the latest PhysX libraries the CPU performance is much better, so not having NVidia GPGPU is not a big problem for the players who invested in ATI/AMD GPUs.

2) People who expect to play a MMORPG on an OBSOLETE PLATFORM and CLAIM THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY A NEW ONE are just plain TROLLS. While one could say that playing EVE for ISK (through PLEX) is the only viable option for many players, at least having Internet connection is as expensive as the EVE subscription and could not be paid for in ISK.

If you can't afford having A SECOND HAND PC for 40-80 USD, just GO FIND A RL JOB TO PLAY EVE.

Ebay Second Hand Pentium 4 PCs - UP TO 100 USD (most are up to 80 USD)


Originally by: Pohbis
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Holy crap, you people are actually complaining because your out of date pc can't play a modern game? Really? Does that mean I should go and ***** to Sony that my Playstation One can't play Far Cry 2? Because that is pretty much what your whining amounts to.
Quit running your mouth. You're clueless.

FarCry 2 doesn't play on a PS1 for a reason.

EVE plays perfectly well on old Athlon XPs and other CPUs without SSE2. The hardware is more than capable of running EVE.

If they want to drop support for older hardware, that's fine. They've done so before for GFX cards, with advance notice, but this is a ****up.

They use 3rd party software and don't keep up on those builds? That instills a lot of confidence in their QA... even worse, giving paying customers 2 days notice is really really poor customer service.


Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2011.01.17 16:16:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Pohbis
EVE plays perfectly well on old Athlon XPs and other CPUs without SSE2. The hardware is more than capable of running EVE.


It does today. Tomorrow it doesn't. Adapt or contract me your stuff, today please.

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.01.17 16:17:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Hawk TT
2) People who expect to play a MMORPG on an OBSOLETE PLATFORM and CLAIM THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY A NEW ONE are just plain TROLLS. While one could say that playing EVE for ISK (through PLEX) is the only viable option for many players, at least having Internet connection is as expensive as the EVE subscription and could not be paid for in ISK.
I think some students who run off the uni broadband connection might argue a bit with you there. Though to be fair they should be studying and not pew pewing in their free time. Razz

Skram
Armored Elite
Posted - 2011.01.17 16:22:00 - [108]
 

I'm a bit confused what all these people who have barely enough money to eat and can't afford <$100 for a computer to run Eve are doing spending money on Eve in the first place...

Hawk TT
Caldari
Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
Posted - 2011.01.17 16:28:00 - [109]
 

I guess you mean those students that spend every cent/penny/kopeyka etc. for booze, games and XXX subscriptions? Laughing

OK, you can't have everything in life, that's part of the learing process...Razz

P.S. I am pretty agressive when it comes to such trolls - I live in Bulgaria, where the AVERAGE SALARY IS 220 USD PER MONTH. Still, I know many (addicted) kids / players, who don't mind to get some extra work / errant job for a few weekends in order to earn 100-200USD for a "new" second hand rig...What to say about people who live in richer countries? C'mon...Evil or Very Mad

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Hawk TT
2) People who expect to play a MMORPG on an OBSOLETE PLATFORM and CLAIM THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY A NEW ONE are just plain TROLLS. While one could say that playing EVE for ISK (through PLEX) is the only viable option for many players, at least having Internet connection is as expensive as the EVE subscription and could not be paid for in ISK.
I think some students who run off the uni broadband connection might argue a bit with you there. Though to be fair they should be studying and not pew pewing in their free time. Razz

DarkAegix
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.17 16:31:00 - [110]
 

For laughs, I looked up some things on Ebay...
Pentium 4: $9.99
Pentium 3: Almost nonexistant, one was $40

So, Pentium 3s are becoming like very old cars, now :D
Really, Pentium 3 is just too old. You find them on the sides of roads during hard rubbish collection days.

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.01.17 16:31:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Hawk TT
P.S. I am pretty agressive when it comes to such trolls - I live in Bulgaria, where the AVERAGE SALARY IS 220 USD PER MONTH. Still, I know many (addicted) kids / players, who don't mind to get some extra work / errant job for a few weekends in order to earn 100-200USD for a "new" second hand rig...What to say about people who live in richer countries? C'mon...Evil or Very Mad
This is exactly why they troll.Laughing

Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2011.01.17 16:45:00 - [112]
 

AMD Athlon II X2 240 CPU - 57$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103688

BIOSTAR A770E3 AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - 60$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138179

G.SKILL NS 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 - 21$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231395

= 138 $

This will run eve nicely, probably until the end of times.
If you can't buy a 138$ computer to support your gaming luxury, you shouldn't be playing right now.

Yes, two days warning is not nice, but it's not like they can test on every single old computer.

Jita mcheck
Posted - 2011.01.17 16:49:00 - [113]
 

Doh!
This affects my second PC that runs my alt.
Not a big deal since it also had issue's with the shader 2.0 upgrade comming.

I liked how the shader had a test I could run to know if I was good or not. be nice if this also had a test to put peoples minds at rest.

In other news....I have a reason to upgrade!(was going to anyway)
Really this tech is old old....if your pc is less than 5 years old you should be fine.

Pentium 3's came out in 1999.....and stoped production in 2003....
that is old.

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:00:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: mogwai
£50+ for an upgrade, sorry, but just getting back into work after 6 months unemployed in rl, i'd rather keep food on the table for my 2yr old daughter...




you might want to know that feeding a person less extends their lifespan. feeding your eve addiction would thus be an act of kindness and generousity toward your child Razz

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:01:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Hawk TT
I guess you mean those students that spend every cent/penny/kopeyka etc. for booze, games and XXX subscriptions? Laughing

OK, you can't have everything in life, that's part of the learing process...Razz

P.S. I am pretty agressive when it comes to such trolls - I live in Bulgaria, where the AVERAGE SALARY IS 220 USD PER MONTH. Still, I know many (addicted) kids / players, who don't mind to get some extra work / errant job for a few weekends in order to earn 100-200USD for a "new" second hand rig...What to say about people who live in richer countries? C'mon...Evil or Very Mad

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Hawk TT
2) People who expect to play a MMORPG on an OBSOLETE PLATFORM and CLAIM THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY A NEW ONE are just plain TROLLS. While one could say that playing EVE for ISK (through PLEX) is the only viable option for many players, at least having Internet connection is as expensive as the EVE subscription and could not be paid for in ISK.
I think some students who run off the uni broadband connection might argue a bit with you there. Though to be fair they should be studying and not pew pewing in their free time. Razz



lol why the **** are you spending a seventh of your income on a video game.

Kendon Riddick
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:03:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Kendon riddick on 17/01/2011 17:09:50
if you cant afford X Y or Z, you simply cant afford it and thats that, you could use HP and loans and screw over your kids, but you dont wanna do that.

you dont need to play eve, you want to and a want is a luxury.

if a fancy new computer is required to play eve and you cant afford that, find a new game, you cant afford it.

Edit: also lets say a sport club and you when you joined cost X and 7 years on it now costs Y and you can no longer afford it, do you stand outside throwing eggs at all the lucky sumabiches that can still afford it? Grow up and get a real job lol.

I want a gold plated yatch filled with hookers and beer but i dont need it, but you can bet your ass that if i did have enough money to do that kinda stuff a ruddy well would!

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:05:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 17/01/2011 17:07:25
Originally by: Hawk TT
2) People who expect to play a MMORPG on an OBSOLETE PLATFORM and CLAIM THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY A NEW ONE are just plain TROLLS. While one could say that playing EVE for ISK (through PLEX) is the only viable option for many players, at least having Internet connection is as expensive as the EVE subscription and could not be paid for in ISK.

If you can't afford having A SECOND HAND PC for 40-80 USD, just GO FIND A RL JOB TO PLAY EVE.


Judging other people's lives based on how comfortable your own turned out is just plain ignorant.
It's not about whether a person has 40-80USD or not. It's about whether they have 40-80USD to spend on a hardware upgrade.

It's about whether they can get that money, and find a machine it will now run on. Most people will have no idea if the hard earned money they are about to spend will even get around the problem they have had forced onto them.

And they've got 2 days to find an answer. And on top of it, they've got you chastising them for not having been born with a silver quad core processor in their mouths.

I'm not even talking for myself. I'm talking for all the people I know exist out there, who right now feel exactly the same way I do when my car breaks down in the middle of nowhere, or when there is water cascading out of my kitchen ceiling and I'm getting charged £200 to have a 50 pence piece of pipe replaced.

I'm fortunate that you weren't there on either of those days. But you should look forward to the day when you are and I'm not.

Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:11:00 - [118]
 

BTW
They said this is temporary.
If you want to keep your old hardware, just set a 20 days skill and go do something else =)

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:12:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Spurty on 17/01/2011 17:13:56
moral of the story is "if your gaming rig isn't bleeding edge, no one except you is at fault".

gaming is what has driven GPU architecture since year dot. technology like opengl and direct x also to some degree even though recent development has attempted to have the cart driving the horse and had patchy success.

tl;dr "no you"(upgrade your rig ffs )

even if its temporary.

progress should not be hampered by those that wont

Neamus
Posted - 2011.01.17 17:15:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Neamus
Its possible to pick up a used Pentium 4 desktop (complete system minus the monitor) at the moment for around £50, in fact I just saw one go on ebay for £45. So for those unfortunate enough to be effected by this you've got some cheap options available.

If you ask nice enough you might even be able to get one for free. There are businesses around that throw perfectly good systems in the bin after just a few years, merely in order to comply with their internal hardware refresh policies.


Buy me one then. Come on, it's only £50 right?
Buy everybody one. It's only £50 right?

Oh right, different story when it's your £50 right?

Spending £50 because some lazy edgy kudos programmer is using the latest **** because somebody sold it to him for reasons they don't know is a bad reason.

1 = 1. 0 = 0. That hasn't changed. Computers have not fundamentally changed enough to stop anything from running.


I'm not trying to belittle anyone, or how much value a given some of money has for them. I'm merely pointing out that if you can stretch to it then its possible to source a P4 based machine for around £50. You're attributing hidden meaning where there is none.

Its also not really fair to blame lazy programming either. Technology has a life cycle just like everything else, its not unreasonable for a developer to say that they've decided not to continue supporting 7 year old hardware.


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