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Shatter Resistant
Posted - 2011.01.22 11:18:00 - [271]
 

CCP Blatantly admiting that this will stop "paying" players from running accounts.

Be it only "Alts" machines who just mine away. Its still aparently 0.3% the player base
(*wait for the flame post ..blah blah buy new pc cheapskate etc)
I think that CCP have overlooked a bigger issue -
Each time i upgrade, my old machines become the alt character box.
so now i cant use my alt account at the same time.

Question is what do CCP intend to do and Why isnt there more information regarding it
This only came around because of the "Carbon avatar" stuff that really isnt needed for 100% of the game
guaranteed that CCP wont offer any recompense for the last minute "oh wait" you cant play anymore bad luck.

Give more information CCP - i want to know before i end up paying you more momney for a wasted account

Glenn Morangie
Posted - 2011.01.22 15:44:00 - [272]
 

CCP responded to my petition and I replied back:
-2 Paid accounts

Sent - 1/20/2011 5:41:00 PM
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Hi.

I am afraid that it will not be possible to run EVE any longer with CPUs that do not support the SSE2 instruction set, this will cause players still using Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs to not be able to run the EVE Online client. Athlon 64 CPUs are however not affected. More information regarding this can be found at http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=844

What we can do for you at the moment is to make sure that you do not lose any subscription time you have paid for because of this. You can choose, if you want to be refunded for the time you lose or if you decide to upgrade your system, you can have that time added to your account when you are ready to continue.

I sincerely apologize that we were not able to give our players advanced notice on this.

Best regards,
GM Renril
The EVE Online Customer Support Team

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GM Renril,

Please refund ALL subscription fees paid for the current period and cancel my subscription to your game. Unfortunately you solution requires far more than a simple "upgrade". In fact, I would be required to purchase a new PC. Since my current PC is working fine on the vast majority of applications and games I see no reason to "upgrade". And since you have chosen to exclude my current breed of PC then I see no reason to continue paying your subscription fee.
Please refund ALL subscription fees paid for the current period and cancel my subscription to your game.

So long and thanks for all the fish.

Reeper 2435
Posted - 2011.01.22 19:44:00 - [273]
 

Well, get off your horse, it's legs are broke. My laptop is 5 years old, sse2 compliant, and i cant run eve worth spit. I'm either locked up after jumping a gate or getting locked up with an igfx error. IMO, they need to reset the server and redo this update. Im all for progress, but sweet lord, they seemed to have junbled something up badly.

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 22/01/2011 09:50:12

Dear CCP,

I applaud your direction of no longer catering to the lowest common denominator. Please, ignore the moaning of folks with 10 year old computers: they've been holding the development of the game back for too long as it is; and I am glad all y'all finally came to your senses and decided to go with the times.

The character creation is a veritable work of art. That there's a handful of people with archaic computers who can't play the game any more as a result, I frankly don't care about them at all. I know, that sounds callous, or otherwise uncaring. But if only they were willing and/or able to see how unreasonable they are, they would not so bitterly complain. It's simply time for those folks to update their gear -- whether they like to hear that or not. You make no crazy demands on hardware at all: only that people can't use their grandfather's computer any more. So be it.

I hope you will continue on your path to graphical excellence. With Incarana around the corner, I can only imagine (and hope) that you will present the same level of graphical beauty. And maybe stations can get a graphical overhaul too? And perhaps we can see missiles fire from actual launchers (instead of just appearing out of thin air). Anyway, I'm glad you took this brave, but nonetheless necessary step to keep up with the level of design seen in other games. It will, for certain, ensure your bright future. And the SSE2 folks, they're a remnant of the past, and they should stay there.

PTang
Posted - 2011.01.22 20:14:00 - [274]
 

Originally by: Zeg Quul
C'mon CCP, make the editor optional or even better an external tool.


what are you going on about? the character creator has nothing to do with this change. didn't you read the blog?

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.23 00:25:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Reeper 2435
Well, get off your horse, it's legs are broke. My laptop is 5 years old, sse2 compliant, and i cant run eve worth spit. I'm either locked up after jumping a gate or getting locked up with an igfx error. IMO, they need to reset the server and redo this update. Im all for progress, but sweet lord, they seemed to have junbled something up badly.

Funny, I'm never locked up after jumping a gate; nor do I get weird igfx errors. In fact, this has been one of the smoothest updates ever. Sorry, mate, guess it's you, after all.

Amy Elteam
Posted - 2011.01.23 00:51:00 - [276]
 

Originally by: PTang

what are you going on about? the character creator has nothing to do with this change. didn't you read the blog?


The blog merely blames 'third party DLL's' - the 3rd party DLL's most likely responsible are the PhysX libraries from NVidia which are used for physically simulating cloth and hair in the character editor.

So, until CCP comes and explains otherwise the general opinion is that this is due to the new character creator, and an optional part of it at that.

Leocadminone
Posted - 2011.01.23 05:58:00 - [277]
 

Originally by: Callic Veratar
This isn't even an issue of latest and greatest systems, or even bottom of the barrel computers. Pentium 3 systems are between 8 and 12 years old. Most people don't even keep cars that long.


(1) Most of the cars I've owned have hit 20 years old before they died. Most people NOWADAYS do in fact have cars that are a decade or more old. Don't assume everyone buys NEW cars.

(2) I'll state that I'm definitely an exception, but I have some computer systems that are 15-20 years old. They're fine for playing older games, my firewall/gateway/router computer runs on an AMD K6 and only has that 'cause I needed to be able to put a couple PCI LAN cards in the machine (used to use a K5 AKA Original Pentium-class machine, it was PLENTY to handle a cable-modem connection or DSL).

(3) I currently 3-box Everquest - 2 of those machines are Athlon XP-1800 based boxes that are close to a decade old and handle EQ just fine. They were also overkill back when I was playing with WoW.

(4) Athlon-XP based systems were still being sold new 5-6 years ago, though most folks had moved to 64-bit based CPUs by then.


On the other hand, current entry-level new machines are a lot higher performance than anything P3 or even Athlon-XP based....




So, in basis of FACT, this is about computers that by current standards are bottom of the barrel or very close. You might be amazed how many 10-year-old computers are still in daily use - a lot of folks can't AFFORD to upgrade to the "latest and greatest" every year or two or even 5.



For the record, the lowest machines I currently run Eve on are Semperon-64 based using NVidea 6100 or 6150 onboard graphics. They don't seem to like the character creator, but still run Eve itself just fine.

Hino Sakura
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.23 19:14:00 - [278]
 

Bite the bullet, CCP!

Implement SSE3 and PS 3.0 too, please. My performance improved after the patch, probably due to the use of SIMD calls in various locations (maths done with these can be orders of magnitude faster as well as more accurate in some cases).

For the record, I play on an Aspire 5103 (that's a Turion X2 & Radeon Mobility X1600) which is pretty ancient (and actually physically wearing out now). Get over it - it's great that your old machine was able to stay running, run EVE and do whatever else you cared about but please don't pretend it's not obsolete and that this is some scam to make to you buy 'bleeding edge' hardware.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.23 21:45:00 - [279]
 

Originally by: Hino Sakura
Bite the bullet, CCP!

Implement SSE3 and PS 3.0 too, please. My performance improved after the patch, probably due to the use of SIMD calls in various locations (maths done with these can be orders of magnitude faster as well as more accurate in some cases).

For the record, I play on an Aspire 5103 (that's a Turion X2 & Radeon Mobility X1600) which is pretty ancient (and actually physically wearing out now). Get over it - it's great that your old machine was able to stay running, run EVE and do whatever else you cared about but please don't pretend it's not obsolete and that this is some scam to make to you buy 'bleeding edge' hardware.

I applaud that you have the guts to admit this to yourself, even though you have older hardware. Chapeau!

It's very simple, folks: you want fancier things, you need fancier hardware.

Doublewhopper
Posted - 2011.01.23 23:09:00 - [280]
 

Yeah well...let us recap what has been dropped over the years...

Windows 98
Windows ME
Windows 2000
The Classic Client
Shader Model 1.0
SSE CPUs (Celerons and older)
The Official Linux Client (still running on wine)
SSE2 CPUs (Pentium III and older)


And the future:

Shader Model 2.0 by March, 2011
Windows XP by April 8, 2014
Windows Vista by April 11, 2017
Shader Model 3.0 around that time too

So i wonder what would EVE be if we had a stripped down client as was asked for many times over the years? Would we have PCUs well beyond the 100.000 online users mark?

It is all about choice and not being able to run alts on older computers or do market orders and chat from a low spec machine at work is limiting choice and in the end is limiting the gaming experience.

Seriously, i can't wait until the popular netbooks with GMA945 are not supported anymore during the first half of 2011. I hope the uproar will be strong enough to motivate CCP to release a low graphics client that will run anywhere.

Oh well...since that dream isn't going to happen, i might as well put the crappy old hardware on ebay and fetch myself new stuff for teh interwebs spaceshipz...

IM0001
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.01.26 19:52:00 - [281]
 

The fact that EVE has supported such old hardware this long is amazing in itself. But to continue to push the envelope and keep looking fresh compared to newer games that may try to take people away from EVE based on looks alone, CCP needs to up the requirements and stop using old code when there is newer code that can improve performance while also improving visuals, lag, etc.

If CCP kept every bit of support for all the ancient hardware that was used back when EVE first came out, the game would not only be much larger than it currently is, it would probably also take forever to get patches/updates/new content, and the overall experience for everyone would be much, much worse.

It is a sad truth that your old 6-10 year old hardware may no longer work on EVE, (I too have a old P3 933 that still runs great for my Classic gaming needs to this day), but the truth of the matter is a simple upgrade of a CPU/MB/Ram used, may cost you $0-50 if you do a little searching. For a longer bump, picking up a simple Duel Core, 2G of ram (minimum), and a reasonable motherboard, will last you a good long while.

Drac Mic
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:41:00 - [282]
 

Originally by: IM0001
The fact that EVE has supported such old hardware this long is amazing in itself. But to continue to push the envelope and keep looking fresh compared to newer games that may try to take people away from EVE based on looks alone, CCP needs to up the requirements and stop using old code when there is newer code that can improve performance while also improving visuals, lag, etc.

If CCP kept every bit of support for all the ancient hardware that was used back when EVE first came out, the game would not only be much larger than it currently is, it would probably also take forever to get patches/updates/new content, and the overall experience for everyone would be much, much worse.

It is a sad truth that your old 6-10 year old hardware may no longer work on EVE, (I too have a old P3 933 that still runs great for my Classic gaming needs to this day), but the truth of the matter is a simple upgrade of a CPU/MB/Ram used, may cost you $0-50 if you do a little searching. For a longer bump, picking up a simple Duel Core, 2G of ram (minimum), and a reasonable motherboard, will last you a good long while.

Drac Mic
Posted - 2011.01.26 20:45:00 - [283]
 

All of the above it is true!
Also true is: most of the people think P3 while most of the .3% are AMD`s! I have invested in the top of the AGP video cards to keep my Barton running!

And I would have not have any issues if the information on the change was delivered with a decent leadtime!

WolfdeEarth
Posted - 2011.01.26 23:18:00 - [284]
 

My Pc is AMD Athlon XP 2000+...my friends,neighbours have even older machines...
Eastern Europe players,Russian players and East players CANNOT buy PCs every 3-5 years.
If CCP want to spread EVE for more new world players, mentioned above should be considered!
THX

MeatSlab
Posted - 2011.01.27 02:20:00 - [285]
 

Edited by: MeatSlab on 27/01/2011 02:25:03
CCP seems to be standing by the 'we had no idea', or the, 'If we only knew about this sooner'. What I cant figure out is how in the world they could not know. I dont know much about programing, but wouldnt you have to know what instruction set to use in advance. If you change from the SSE instruction set to SSE2 wouldnt you know in advance that this would affect a SSE running cpu? Just wondering sounds like a big DURR to me o0

cratais
Posted - 2011.01.28 21:06:00 - [286]
 

ok they say we have two options we can either be refunded for the time we lose or we can have that time added to our account when we upgrade and come back but there isnt an option to do either of those in the account management section are we suppose to file a petition cause ive already asked for my account to be frozen but im still loseing subscription days

DemonGhost
Posted - 2011.01.30 03:28:00 - [287]
 

Edited by: DemonGhost on 30/01/2011 05:16:54
Edited by: DemonGhost on 30/01/2011 03:37:02
Well I have already cancelled my subscriptions two days ago until I can upgrade, which is going to take a while. No interest in putting in a petition as that will make no difference. I have more than one level 1 characters and had to cancel them both.

Miss Misses
Posted - 2011.02.15 12:02:00 - [288]
 

old pentium 3 systems make great tables :)


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