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Neamus
Posted - 2011.01.14 21:05:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Neamus on 14/01/2011 21:04:59
Every time I read an Ian M Banks Culture novel it puts me in mind of EvE. I wonder if enough players shouted loud enough at him, that we could get him to write a story for EvE?

Oh if you haven't read one of his books yet then go ahead and start with "Consider Phlebas" and then continue on from there, you'll soon know what I'm talking about. Imo probably the best contemporary sci fi writer on the planet.

Le Verrier
Posted - 2011.01.14 21:06:00 - [2]
 

Alastair Reynolds > Banks.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.01.14 21:07:00 - [3]
 

I enjoy his novels also, not sure he'd do as you ask though. But never say never.

Neamus
Posted - 2011.01.14 21:10:00 - [4]
 

Maybe, maybe not... But his style with the Culture novels would just fit sooo well into the EvE universe, it would be like a literary wet dream.

I havent read any Alastair Reynolds stuff, but if he's anywhere near as good as Ian is then I'll give it a shot.

Le Verrier
Posted - 2011.01.14 21:11:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Neamus
I havent read any Alastair Reynolds stuff, but if he's anywhere near as good as Ian is then I'll give it a shot.

His style is a bit more "realistic" than Banks'. First books are a bit stiff but he is still pretty good.

Bel Amar
Amarr
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.01.14 21:28:00 - [6]
 

Other than being science fiction, how are they similar? The setting is completely different, with a lack of anything resembling the Minds, and an overall positive, optimistic vibe. Everyone is working for the greater good, and for those that aren't, the big bad parents (Minds) can soon resolve the situation.

Compare to EVE, in which ISK is king, the vibe is negative and confrontational. No one is out to look after you, or to stop the bad men from blowing your stuff up. The human mind is the ultimate authority, capsuleers and empires put the common man down etc.

Neamus
Posted - 2011.01.14 21:43:00 - [7]
 

The Culture has a generally positive "vibe" to it yes, but the rest of the universe is depicted as being just as dark and brutal as EvE's is. I think he'd do it justice... And then some... But vibe aside for a minute its the scope he evokes, whole space opera thing he has going on that really appeals to me.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.14 21:44:00 - [8]
 

Excession FTW, my fave, but yeah, no Minds or Culture vibe in Eve.

Khestohr Vaine
Posted - 2011.01.14 21:57:00 - [9]
 

Is he any relation to Iain M. Banks?

Just kidding, I knew who you meant. I've only read Consider Phlebas so far, a couple times actually, but I have a bunch of gift cards to use after Christmas and Player of Games is up next.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.01.14 21:59:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Malcanis on 14/01/2011 21:59:29
Originally by: Khestohr Vaine
Is he any relation to Iain M. Banks?

Just kidding, I knew who you meant. I've only read Consider Phlebas so far, a couple times actually, but I have a bunch of gift cards to use after Christmas and Player of Games is up next.


Do yourself a favour and order Use Of Weapons at the same time, because after you read Player, you're not going to want to wait.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.01.14 22:06:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Le Verrier
Alastair Reynolds > Banks.


Confirming this. Reynolds is superb.

C.

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.01.14 22:11:00 - [12]
 

I foresee a change of location for this thread.

Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar
Spycotics
Posted - 2011.01.14 22:12:00 - [13]
 

Well, I can answer your question for you if you like. I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Iain a few years ago whilst living in Glasgow. This was when he had just released Matter, one of the Culture books. Iain and his friend and fellow author Ken Macleod did a one hour live interview at one of the main librarys in Glasgow city centre followed by a book signing. At said book signing we were all given the opportunity to ask both authors one question.

Guess what mine was? Thats right, I told Iain I played this fantastic game called EVE-ONLINE, with a rich back history and its own set of Chronicles. I asked him if he would ever consider writing stories based in the EVE universe rather than his own Culture one. His answer, though delivered with a grin and a laugh was no. He enjoys writing the Culture series because it is HIS universe. All the rules, physics and terminology are his to do with as he see's fit and writing using someone elses rules just wouldnt work for him.

I agree though, with his style of writing he could do amazing things with and for the EVE universe. Oh well, such is life as they say.

Khestohr Vaine
Posted - 2011.01.14 22:25:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 14/01/2011 21:59:29
Originally by: Khestohr Vaine
Is he any relation to Iain M. Banks?

Just kidding, I knew who you meant. I've only read Consider Phlebas so far, a couple times actually, but I have a bunch of gift cards to use after Christmas and Player of Games is up next.


Do yourself a favour and order Use Of Weapons at the same time, because after you read Player, you're not going to want to wait.


I will do that.

Kesper North
Caldari
Gentlemen of Means
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.01.14 22:26:00 - [15]
 

I enjoy both writers, but I'd say that Alastair Reynolds is by far my favorite of the two. He manages to make space feel extremely big and fills it with both wonder and inchoate fear, something that strikes me as imbuing the emotions that actual space explorers would experience on a regular basis. The entire Revelation Space trilogy was a symphony of posthuman creepiness and big-concept hard SF. I'm a little disappointed that Reynolds has been writing with more human themes in mind lately, as he writes aliens and posthumans so believably and so well.

Banks's universe is well-lived-in and well travelled, and while he has a nice millieu set up, it feels a little careless at times, as if the consequences of the world he's created are not quite fully thought out. Though he took a big step towards correcting that with his latest novel Surface Detail, which I feel is one of his stronger works. Excession is still by far my favorite, since it is so playful and fun. Player of Games was also good. I was not a huge fan of Consider Phlebas or Use of Weapons, which are apparently what most people consider his big hits.

I'm also extremely fond of Peter Watts, author of Blindsight. His work is even bleaker than Reynolds at his blackest, and is demonstrably willing to do video game novels, since he is working on Crysis 2. He even worked on Homeworld 2 briefly, showing that he could do justice to accurate portrayal of the Naglfar. ;)

Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.01.14 22:53:00 - [16]
 

Banks is super speculative, super far advanced tech sci-fi, eve is really not that far ahead of where we are now. Compare a culture mind with the ai controlling that warrior 2 that just wont bloody scoop for example.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.01.15 01:02:00 - [17]
 

I've only recently discovered Reynolds with House of Suns and greatly enjoyed it, looking forward to reading his other stuff...
but I've got ALL Banks' SF novels...in a little shrine where I daily worship. Razz
I really hope Reynolds has a book in his arsenal that can beat the mindbogglingly good The Player of Games but it would suprise me as it's my favorite book ever...The player being played playing a game etc awesomeness

DontLaseMeBro
Posted - 2011.01.16 05:20:00 - [18]
 

Hello all. First I must say, finding such a topic on the EvE-O boards made my day.

Sadly, I cannot say that I have read any of the Banks books, but, it is my plans for the near future.

Alistair Reynolds on the other hand, seems to already have it down in his "Revelation Space" Universe. There are many similarities to the EvE Universe already. We have Capsuleers -> Conjoiners/Ultras, possibly leaning more towards the Ultras, due to their incessant nomad lifestyle revolving around trade, while Conjoiners are more the technological side, perhaps. I would go further to compare Sleepers to the Wolves. A mysterious species, machines rather than organic lifeforms, intent on the destruction of everything living. Also, Reynolds universe is a cold hard place, with only yourself for help, as well as not being able to trust anyone.

I wont go too much farther, but, I am happy to say I have named several of my ships after things out of the Revelation Space Universe. I didn't name my characters, because the names were already taken.

That's it, hopefully the Banks books will be good.

Dorian Tormak
M0N0LITH
Posted - 2011.01.16 05:23:00 - [19]
 

neither of those guys can write.

Sma Zakalwe
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.16 09:32:00 - [20]
 

Can you tell I'm a fan? Very Happy

The new one Surface Detail is pretty good.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.01.16 10:30:00 - [21]
 

If you like Reynolds then try Gary Gibson - Shoal Sequence books. Stealing Light was probably the best SF book I've read since Peter Hamilton's "Nights Dawn" trilogy.

Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2011.01.16 11:11:00 - [22]
 

Mr. Banks has two 'I's [eyes?] in his name.

Sinister Dextor
Posted - 2011.01.16 11:13:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Dorian Tormak
neither of those guys can write.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.01.16 11:16:00 - [24]
 

Anyone read Peter F Hamiltons work? I have nearly everyone of his books, they are all fantastic!

Ejit
Amarr
STD contractors
Posted - 2011.01.16 11:36:00 - [25]
 

If your interested in novels with a slight EVE theme. I highly recommend Neal Asher's Polity serious. The technology described in his books is awesome, with a hint of Stargate and features a lot of cool implant\hardwiring tec.

It's also where I suspect the EVE dev team got their name from "Occam's Razor" As two or three of the books feature a Dreadnought of the same name.

I read the whole lot and couldn't put them down. Smile

Neal Asher Wiki page
Amazon, Neal Asher

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2011.01.16 14:45:00 - [26]
 

First read Player of Games near 20 years ago, still one of my favorite books.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.01.16 14:56:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: De''Veldrin on 16/01/2011 14:58:18
Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Le Verrier
Alastair Reynolds > Banks.


Confirming this. Reynolds is superb.

C.



Double confirmed.

Originally by: Headerman
Anyone read Peter F Hamiltons work? I have nearly everyone of his books, they are all fantastic!


The Night's Dawn Trilogy (published in six parts) is pretty awesome. Can't say I really liked any of his other stuff.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.01.16 15:42:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: De'Veldrin

The Night's Dawn Trilogy (published in six parts) is pretty awesome. Can't say I really liked any of his other stuff.


It might be in 6 parts in the US, but it was published as a trilogy in Europe. Still is.

Tagera
Posted - 2011.01.16 16:18:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Sma Zakalwe
Can you tell I'm a fan? Very Happy

The new one Surface Detail is pretty good.



Yes it is. I bought it quite a few weeks ago and read it in about 2 days or so. Didn't want to put it down. That Abomination class SC ship is nuts...completely off it's rocker, but still hilarious at the same time.

Tagera
Posted - 2011.01.16 16:23:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Ejit
If your interested in novels with a slight EVE theme. I highly recommend Neal Asher's Polity serious. The technology described in his books is awesome, with a hint of Stargate and features a lot of cool implant\hardwiring tec.

It's also where I suspect the EVE dev team got their name from "Occam's Razor" As two or three of the books feature a Dreadnought of the same name.

I read the whole lot and couldn't put them down. Smile

Neal Asher Wiki page
Amazon, Neal Asher




I've only read the The Skinner I think. But I did enjoy it. Very good book.


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