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Kisena
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.01.15 06:52:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Vynk
a bit disturbing to see you guys release the new character creator in its current state.


Seams to be working quite well to me at this point. Theres a lot of stuff that they are putting in it that they didn't let us see yet too. Maybe you just need a better computer.

Romer Stimson
Posted - 2011.01.15 07:24:00 - [92]
 

Shocked]<whisper> Keyboard Shortcuts! What about the new Keyboard Shortcuts? <whisper>

Achurua
Posted - 2011.01.15 12:07:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Hi Obsidian here with a few questions -

First what is the tennative size of the patch?

Second, after trying onto sisi several times with this, the patch was almost always corrupt of failed and needed a big fat repair tool which also failed a ton of times and could not get on. IS there a way if the patch does not work or is corrupt that the individual files could be downloaded, and then run the repair tool? And with instructions of where to put the individual files and what not?

Honestly I have noticed with the larger patch sizes installers and patches tend to corrupt more and lose more info. Plus honestly downloading it in sections really makes my isp happier.

Final note, im sure im not the only one that has these problems, just offering thoughts on an alternate solution.
DUDE... get off dial up.

get high speed internet/new ISP, that is ridiculous. this is your problem not CCPs.

Watak Hunt
Posted - 2011.01.15 13:49:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Watak Hunt on 15/01/2011 13:50:19
DUDE! Your face!!


Originally by: Illadelph Justice
does the character creator work the way its supposed to yet?


Yes.
However if your question was "is it working the way YOU want it?" then probably not.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.15 15:47:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Achurua
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Hi Obsidian here with a few questions -

First what is the tennative size of the patch?

Second, after trying onto sisi several times with this, the patch was almost always corrupt of failed and needed a big fat repair tool which also failed a ton of times and could not get on. IS there a way if the patch does not work or is corrupt that the individual files could be downloaded, and then run the repair tool? And with instructions of where to put the individual files and what not?

Honestly I have noticed with the larger patch sizes installers and patches tend to corrupt more and lose more info. Plus honestly downloading it in sections really makes my isp happier.

Final note, im sure im not the only one that has these problems, just offering thoughts on an alternate solution.
DUDE... get off dial up.

get high speed internet/new ISP, that is ridiculous. this is your problem not CCPs.


Actually, he likely is using high speed; but your high speed, and his, might not be quite the same. Without spending 4K a month, for example; my high speed is limited to 24 down and 1 up. I get the same problems he has; but not consistently. Those speeds are, by the way, fairly consistent accross my country; and not a result of who I choose as my ISP. There really is only one ISP here; unless you count the telephone companies broadband internet, or the 'other guys' Satellite internet.. I think they have cable too; but who wants it. The bandwidth bought off my current ISP anyway; so it's not really going to be competative.

For conspiracy theories sake, you might want to consider; that download corruption is likey caused by content approval services. Meaning, the ISP is searching your download content; to see if it is in any way, illegal, or whatever. Don't ask me, why they can't tell it's a game.. They would be doing this on behalf of the government of course; for your, and others, protection. Wouldn't want you reading that new Stephen King book, or anything. You'd think we lived in China...

Please consider that the above Conspiracy Theory; may, or may not, be true in your area, or other places.

This has been a message, of the Freedom Gruop; and you cannot see my face. I said.. you cannot cannot see my face. ..oh drat.

/whatever that was


I believe it was mentioned by CCP, that future options for character modifications; would likely be available down the road, as plexable content or some such. Provided our beloved CSM; doesn't discourage the heck out of it.

If you want to affect the changes down the road; check the CSM threads on the forums. No guarantee's your idea's will make it in; but it doesn't hurt to cast them about. Well.. it may hurt; this is EVE after all.

Last time I tried to log in to SISI, going back to the quote above; I had a download speed on the patch, that extended to 9 hours. That was for 540 MB. I should have been able to download that; in maybe 10 minutes or so. I've noticed this with both TQ, and SISI, on occaision; and believe it's just a massive bandwidth chokehold. Too many people at once. I'm not sure why the download corrupts on accaision; though, when it does, it is very consistent. You can try multiple times; with no change to the results. 4-5 days later; it works just fine.

On a side note: I'll finally be able to change my main's ugly mugCool Thank you CCPSmile


Nelleien
Posted - 2011.01.15 15:48:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Djakku
BUT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!! DJAKKU NEEDS HIS BLUE OVERALLS!!!!!! Sad
And I want my transparent top! :) *boing-boing*

Chance Pierce
Caldari
Deep Space Overlords
Posted - 2011.01.15 16:45:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: PryMary
OMFG Does everybody just moan that plays this game? EVERY time something chagnes all you lot do is moan FFS people give CCP credit for once! It's not like you could do any better!!



RIGHT ON THE MONEY, QUIT YER *****IN' PEOPLE!

Syraine
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.15 16:51:00 - [98]
 

Played a bit with the Character creation on SiSi, hoods are no longer an option? I rather enjoy mine.
/crai

Can you also add tin foil hats as an option?

Thanks!

kKayron Jarvis
Caldari
Tech 3 Constructions
Posted - 2011.01.15 19:24:00 - [99]
 

O it is not up on eve Gate calendar at this time.Confused

looking good ccpSmile


Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.01.15 20:08:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Achurua
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Hi Obsidian here with a few questions -

First what is the tennative size of the patch?

Second, after trying onto sisi several times with this, the patch was almost always corrupt of failed and needed a big fat repair tool which also failed a ton of times and could not get on. IS there a way if the patch does not work or is corrupt that the individual files could be downloaded, and then run the repair tool? And with instructions of where to put the individual files and what not?

Honestly I have noticed with the larger patch sizes installers and patches tend to corrupt more and lose more info. Plus honestly downloading it in sections really makes my isp happier.

Final note, im sure im not the only one that has these problems, just offering thoughts on an alternate solution.
DUDE... get off dial up.

get high speed internet/new ISP, that is ridiculous. this is your problem not CCPs.



DUDE i have a 10 mb line and the area pipe (aka fiber line) goes through my back yard. No let me give you a little lesson in computer technology.

1. it isnt perfect and never will be.
2. I live in central US and downloading a patch from London UK. now there is about a 10,000 mile difference between the two locations.
Now see when information travels long distances signals tend to degrade and information tends to get lost, hence bugs!

But anyway back to my point, huge patches tend to have lots of bugs when downloading anyone remember trinity and the boot.ini? yeah. So continuing the question still stands, is there some alt methods to downloading this patch especially if it is 1.2 Gb in size? I dont want to spend 3 days trying to fix a bugged download.

Lirinas
Posted - 2011.01.15 21:13:00 - [101]
 

For some of you wondering about the new PI extractors, the current status on them is: Hugely Disappointing, and overall a Big Unadvertised Nerf.

The appearance and mechanics of the new Extractor Control Unit is rather attractive, and on paper, it sounds like a huge improvement. However, the new ECU's are considerably more costly in terms of Powergrid + CPU. Thus you'll be lucky if you can deploy half the extractors you had before. Also, each head brings in roughly 15% to 25% less than before. Combine the two, and you'll easily be looking at a 33% to 50% drop in overall resource collection. Oh, and each ECU can only handle one resource, so if you need to extract more than 2 resources on a planet, you might as well forget about doing any serious manufacturing there.

Some of this will be offset by the fact you can upgrade your Command Centers without having to destroy the entire colony, but even with elite CC's, most existing PI chains will be unachievable.

We've been discussing this extensively in this thread HERE. We haven't had any Dev response on any of our concerns for weeks now, and although we're keeping our fingers crossed for some last-minute tuning of the system, our hopes are not very high anymore.

Quincy Taggart
Posted - 2011.01.15 21:14:00 - [102]
 

Just get the damn PI fixes in there, i.e., grouping extractors....I'm on direct course to carpal tunnel if we don't get rid of the "clickity click click click clickity click click...OK next planet" syndrome - sheesh! ShockedShocked

Zul Rokhan
Posted - 2011.01.15 21:43:00 - [103]
 

Not sure about splitting it up, but could we at least get a preload link, to get started downloading the patch? Some of us have 1mbit or less connections (That's considered broadband in the US!)

Thanks for all the work on the patch

Intar Medris
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.01.15 23:37:00 - [104]
 

I am looking forward to it. Hopefilly (*madly knocking on wood) we won't have a repeat of the last big patch. Also CCP I would like to keep my hood it is important to my characters persona.

DrNo8910
Posted - 2011.01.16 02:57:00 - [105]
 

When r we goin to b able to walk in stationQuestion

Miranda Ivanova
Posted - 2011.01.16 03:35:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Turay
Originally by: Estimated Prophet
Originally by: Turay
Some questions:
  • You won't be able to change bloodline




I hope this is your opinion and not offical. I would be very angry Evil or Very Mad if I would be forced to create an asian style avatar. Nothing against people from asia but this char is not designed to be a asian like char. I bet there are many other players who will agree to my point of view.


Patch day here i come Very Happy
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff512/SimonTrent/20110109201500.jpg?t=1295148760

Awesome image changed to URL, as per the forum rules. StevieSG. P.S She looks amazing!

wayz
The Grief Wave
Posted - 2011.01.16 07:46:00 - [107]
 

I still remember the good old days when there was a patch that brought npc battleships into 0.0 and added elite npc warp/web scrambling ships, I remember coming on the forums and predictint that record numbers of battleships would be lost on deployment day... which happened on an epic scale LOL

-------------------sig-----------------


Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
Posted - 2011.01.16 11:13:00 - [108]
 

It's a real shame you can't remake your current character with the new char creator.. and that it has so few options for clothing and trinkets.

/me is sad panda

Colonel Vlad
Posted - 2011.01.16 13:05:00 - [109]
 

Not only have I been unable to test the coming updates in SiSi since the test server has not been working on macs for ages..
(I would seriously like to ask for some SP compensation for SiSi(in SiSi that is, before some nubcake thinks I want SP on TQ), this has been going on for too damn long SadSadSadSad )
But also. . . I have heard very little good about this patch and that it is little more than spit and polish and nothing really new like the expansions used to be.. Also, let me get this straight; instead of fixing and updating PI, its going to be a downgrade? What the hell CCP?

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.16 13:14:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk


DUDE i have a 10 mb line and the area pipe (aka fiber line) goes through my back yard. No let me give you a little lesson in computer technology.

1. it isnt perfect and never will be.
2. I live in central US and downloading a patch from London UK. now there is about a 10,000 mile difference between the two locations.
Now see when information travels long distances signals tend to degrade and information tends to get lost, hence bugs!

But anyway back to my point, huge patches tend to have lots of bugs when downloading anyone remember trinity and the boot.ini? yeah. So continuing the question still stands, is there some alt methods to downloading this patch especially if it is 1.2 Gb in size? I dont want to spend 3 days trying to fix a bugged download.


I think you should stop giving lessons in computer technology.

Bugs like the infamous one mentioned one, are not caused by signal degration, but were introduced by a 'small' mistake in the command line that should have removed old files from the previous EVE version.

Second if data packages are lost in an overseas connection they are being send again. Depending how bad it becomes, the latency might rise quite a bit. If a download does in indeed become so heavily corrupted that it would introduce bugs, then the installation would be automatically prevented by the installer, since the file-checksums do not match.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.01.16 14:20:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
DUDE i have a 10 mb line and the area pipe (aka fiber line) goes through my back yard. No let me give you a little lesson in computer technology.

1. it isnt perfect and never will be.
2. I live in central US and downloading a patch from London UK. now there is about a 10,000 mile difference between the two locations.
Now see when information travels long distances signals tend to degrade and information tends to get lost, hence bugs!

But anyway back to my point, huge patches tend to have lots of bugs when downloading anyone remember trinity and the boot.ini? yeah. So continuing the question still stands, is there some alt methods to downloading this patch especially if it is 1.2 Gb in size? I dont want to spend 3 days trying to fix a bugged download.

This is why CCP use a content delivery network so you won't download from the UK but from a local US server.

I just did a fresh update of SiSi and the patch as of now is 1.42GB.

RLCHANCE
Amarr
The Shadow Cartel
War and Pestilence
Posted - 2011.01.16 16:39:00 - [112]
 

Question - The Ships made in the ShipContest will they be going in to eve just wondring?

Deja Thoris
Invicta.
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.01.16 16:58:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk

DUDE i have a 10 mb line and the area pipe (aka fiber line) goes through my back yard. No let me give you a little lesson in computer technology.

1. it isnt perfect and never will be.
2. I live in central US and downloading a patch from London UK. now there is about a 10,000 mile difference between the two locations.
Now see when information travels long distances signals tend to degrade and information tends to get lost, hence bugs!




DUDE LET ME GIVE YOU A LESSON ON GEOGRAPHAPAHERY! London to Los Angeles is 5400miles. London to the "Central US" would be a lot closer. Your stuff on data getting lost over distance is bull**** too, I'll let someone with computer knowledge cover that. So basically, shut up Mr cluseless.

Mbainrot
Posted - 2011.01.16 22:18:00 - [114]
 

Maybe sometime in the future you guys could add a Coffin Blueprint, so just before every deployment players can contract little coffins for the server hamsters just incase all goes awry :)

Swidgen
Posted - 2011.01.16 23:07:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: malaire
Are you finally going to add new keyboard shortcuts as explained in this dev blog or has this been cancelled?

Features-page still incorrectly claims that this has already been implemented in 30th November 2010 patch.

Hahahahaha. Weeklong skill in training queue checking in. Remember what happened the last time they touched the chat window code? Yeah, me too. How many optional patches will it take this time? 5? 10? If any chat window or keyboard shortcut bugs are in this release then the whole QA narrative in the latest CSM summit minutes will be proven to be a farce.

We really should be able to bet on this stuff in Vegas for RL money. Seriously.

trjcquee
Posted - 2011.01.16 23:13:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Bladacticus
I completely agree! Jeez people! We get 'free' expansions very regularly, and while there are plenty of things that aren't perfect, you people need to be a lot more grateful to the great game we play and the great job CCP does!

If there is a god, the upgraded forums will have a feature that lets us ignore toady fanboyz with a brown lipstick fetish.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2011.01.17 00:21:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
The reason why patch notes will now be published during the deployment instead of in advance is so that we can give a full and final list at the time of publication. Up until the very last minute we will be fixing defects and ensuring that we can get as much into the release as possible.


So you do call something "release version" which is getting hacked up until the very last minute, yes?

Oh my god.

Izaac Newton
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.17 01:54:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk

DUDE i have a 10 mb line and the area pipe (aka fiber line) goes through my back yard. No let me give you a little lesson in computer technology.

1. it isnt perfect and never will be.
2. I live in central US and downloading a patch from London UK. now there is about a 10,000 mile difference between the two locations.
Now see when information travels long distances signals tend to degrade and information tends to get lost, hence bugs!






DUDE LET ME GIVE YOU A LESSON ON GEOGRAPHAPAHERY! London to Los Angeles is 5400miles. London to the "Central US" would be a lot closer. Your stuff on data getting lost over distance is bull**** too, I'll let someone with computer knowledge cover that. So basically, shut up Mr cluseless.


Hehe i love this, TCP-IP Has error checking in it LOL if it does not get the packet it asks for it again.. jesus Obsidian

Significant other
Posted - 2011.01.17 02:48:00 - [119]
 

Very Happy All i can say is yeeha... new content in the game is a great thing..
keep up the good work boys and girls....let the good times roll.

cheers siggy poo's.

goldeneye52
Posted - 2011.01.17 04:25:00 - [120]
 

have created new charecter in sisi and it is amazing you actualy get to look more like a being than at the moment looking forward to creating my charecter in eve proper. incursion will be good too as mre things to kill l.o.l


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