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Herr Wilkus
Posted - 2011.01.12 16:56:00 - [1]
 

Wall Street Journal Article

This makes me wonder how many Eve players out there are ticking time bombs - just waiting to go off.

What steps should CCP take to tone down the hateful eliminationist imagery that can trigger troubled individuals to commit terrible acts of violence like this one?

Should gaming companies such as CCP be held partially responsible for the acts of marginal members of society - or will they hide behind concepts such as 'free speech' or EULA?

My condolences to those injured and killed in this terrible attack, and I hope CCP does whatever it can to prevent further bloodshed.

Rytlock Thackaray
Posted - 2011.01.12 16:58:00 - [2]
 

Too soon.

Herr Wilkus
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:03:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Rytlock Thackaray
Too soon.


Conventional Wisdom says no.

So does the New York Times.

Forum Guy
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:04:00 - [4]
 

It's not just games, films are just as bad.

So what's the answer, a nanny state nothing above a PG rating?

You won't stop someone going off the rails if they are that way inclined. If it was not that it would probably be something else.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:06:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Forum Guy
It's not just games, films are just as bad.

So what's the answer, a nanny state nothing above a PG rating?

You won't stop someone going off the rails if they are that way inclined. If it was not that it would probably be something else.


Don't forget news and political speeches. The people in charge of national defence also teached me how to kill in various techniques and weapons, so there is plenty of blame to go around if you start to dig deep enough. Ultimately it is the guy who does the deed who carries the blame.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:07:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Syn Callibri on 12/01/2011 17:07:37

This thread makes me want to go "off the rails"...ffs. Shocked




Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:08:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Shintai on 12/01/2011 17:09:24
And he is a Palin support, etc. Maybe he was also a verizon customer. McD customers. Actions from those companies?

Problemsolving is simple:
No guns.
Free and broad psychriatic help(sp?). Instead of pills that makes everything worse or not helping.
More equal society. Rather than the economic "casts".

The lack of options makes people aggressive.

Anyway, this thread will burn :P

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:08:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Herr Wilkus
This makes me wonder how many Eve players out there are ticking time bombs - just waiting to go off.


Someone needs a life, stat!

SkinSin
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:09:00 - [9]
 

Don't forget that the bloke was a man and most violent crimes are committed by men. Odds were stacked against him really.....

What a stupid topic.

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:14:00 - [10]
 

Tuscon shooter likes orange juice. Action by Tropicana necessary?

This makes me wonder how many juice lovers out there are ticking time bombs - just waiting to go off.

Should beverage companies such as Tropicana be held partially responsible for the acts of marginal members of society - or will they hide behind FDA regulations?

My condolences to those injured and killed in this terrible attack, and I hope Tropicana does whatever it can to prevent further bloodshed.

Corozan Aspinall
Perkone
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:16:00 - [11]
 

Wrong forum.

Bad taste.

0/10

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:17:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Joss56 on 12/01/2011 17:24:13
Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Should gaming companies such as CCP be held partially responsible for the acts of marginal members of society - or will they hide behind concepts such as 'free speech' or EULA?


You can be persuited for saying to someone in forums to go him self suicide and so, why those companies exploiting violence to make money are not concerned?
They must take conscience that they can't do whatever they want no matter how.

Something that i found realy chocking in this game is how scam and grieffing forms are multiple and never sanctioned, could even say they are encouraged when you read some posts with dev's comments.

The only way to get them responsable is that law adpts to the interet environement that is now everywhere and even rules some peoples lifes. Whenever their wallet gets touched or the Direction personnel, they act, and the sanctions must be realy heavy.

You can't avoid some fools actions, but you can prevent and discourage them.

Edit: look at this forum, 80%+ alts posting and saying whatever they want. The anonymous factor shouldn't be even present in this kind of forum.

(sry for my poor english)

Ashlar Maidstone
Amarr
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:22:00 - [13]
 

As far as a "Ticking Time bomb" would be concerned, I doubt there be that many if any at all. We are a community world wide and unless someone were to do something of this nature again, and then try to post on a forum such as here, and pore out their personal problems for all to see, then I would worry for my own safety.

There's been debates if online games or communities would lead or have a part in violence world wide, I believe it may but in a small minute way be a contributing factor, but still that idea is still being debated on and the jury is still out.

I myself can only hope and pray for the victims of this incident and godspeed them on their recovery, and that we as a community share in the loss of a little 9 year old who's life was tragically cut off.

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:26:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Culmen on 12/01/2011 17:25:50
OK, first we got people blaming the Tea Baggers
Now their blaming video games.
Next they will be blaming Islam.

Can't we just all agree that there exist crazies who kill people because they are crazy?
And not because of any particular scape goat.

Wikus VanDerSer
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:27:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Wall Street Journal Article

This makes me wonder how many Eve players out there are ticking time bombs - just waiting to go off.

What steps should CCP take to tone down the hateful eliminationist imagery that can trigger troubled individuals to commit terrible acts of violence like this one?

Should gaming companies such as CCP be held partially responsible for the acts of marginal members of society - or will they hide behind concepts such as 'free speech' or EULA?

My condolences to those injured and killed in this terrible attack, and I hope CCP does whatever it can to prevent further bloodshed.


I don't really understand your point OP. The perp does not play EVE. Implying that playing EVE constitutes dangerous behaviour for people is as silly as saying that watching V for Vendetta amounts to me wanting to blow up Big Ben.

Your argument or assumption that CCP can or should prevent further bloodshed is even more bizarre. The underlying nature of the game is not just to 'blow up ****', though some prefer that path. That still doesn't mean that it will trigger EVE players to become a socio or psychopath. So really, before you write on the forums with such a dumb thread, think and use a brain.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:28:00 - [16]
 

1) Wrong Forum
2) it's a load of guff
3) what hate do you see on eve-o ?
4) ???
5) profit

Dultas
Angels Of Death EVE
Mayhem.
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:32:00 - [17]
 

I'll tell you who I blame, the shooter, end of discussion.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:33:00 - [18]
 

Chances that an Eve player goes off the deep end are slim to none as we actually get to let of steam in game, no other game has the same tears:time ratio.

According to the article he was playing some imperialistic conquest browser game so calling him an online gamer is stretching it ..

No go back under your bridge.

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:34:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Dultas
I'll tell you who I blame, the shooter, end of discussion.


But c'mon, he probably wasn't breast-fed enough as a child, got razzed regularly about his global warming/global cooling/global climate change/biodiversity rants, and was fired unfairly from his last job. Seriously, you can't blame the guy that actually picked up the gun. After all, nobody is responsible for ANYTHING they do nowadays, amirite?

Keta Fraal
Nul and Booleans
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:38:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Keta Fraal on 12/01/2011 17:46:45
Things we know about Loughner:

1.He owned a gun

2.he went to school and dropped out

3.he had trouble getting a job and keeping it

4.he did not have many friends

5.he played mmos

6.he posted on forums and youtube

7.from his interaction with people, he was understood to be outside the norm .

8.he was angry at Giffords for some reason.

Edit: Oh no. i share all the traits in the list except nos. 1 and 8. I should be very careful!
In that list, where do you think the problem most lies.

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:41:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Borun Tal
After all, nobody is responsible for ANYTHING they do nowadays, amirite?


This is the real problem. And whenever some "guilty" is found, he's "guitly" in proportion to his $$$ ability.

Makes me sick how many people close theire eyes and do like everything is fine, until someone close enough or his own family gets murdered.

Forum Guy
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:41:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Keta Fraal
Things we know about Loughner:

1.He owned a gun

2.he went to school and dropped out

3.he had trouble getting a job and keeping it

4.he did not have many friends

5.he played mmos

6.he posted on forums and youtube

7.from his interaction with people, he was understood to be outside the norm .

8.he was angry at Giffords for some reason.

In that list, where do you think the problem most lies.



It has to be MMOs of course as they're getting the blame.

After all the press knows best Rolling Eyes

Heimdal Galplen
Minmatar
Quality Control.
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:42:00 - [23]
 

I almost never post on these here forums, but for this one I have to: OP needs to DIAF

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:44:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Keta Fraal
Things we know about Loughner:

1.He owned a gun

In that list, where do you think the problem most lies.


Awesome, another veiled anti-gun post...

Rovan Stargazer
Caldari
Poecilotheria metallica
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:46:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Rovan Stargazer on 12/01/2011 17:59:01
He was playing games, surely that is the reason he went on a killing spree. Me as a EvE player will probably go on a boat with fireworks and anchor. Then i will throw my anchor on some other boat with people in it, and start screaming HAHA YOU'R SRAMBLED and start firing rockets.

Goldman Suchs
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:48:00 - [26]
 

To the OP: Sir, you may have the right to be a d***, but that does not mean you need to exercise that right.

Also, DIAF.

Keta Fraal
Nul and Booleans
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:49:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Keta Fraal on 12/01/2011 17:50:30
Originally by: Borun Tal
Originally by: Keta Fraal
Things we know about Loughner:

1.He owned a gun

In that list, where do you think the problem most lies.


Awesome, another veiled anti-gun post...


Hardly veiled my friend. If you fix your "democracy" you won't need guns.(Unless you use guns to "fix" democracy).

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C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:51:00 - [28]
 

Moved from General Discussion to OOPE.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:56:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Keta Fraal
Hardly veiled my friend. If you fix your "democracy" you won't need guns.(Unless you use guns to "fix" democracy).


Guns aren't used to fix democracy. They're used to create, preserve and defend it.

Orpheus Terminus
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:58:00 - [30]
 

One can infer if they only scratch the surface a tiny bit that he played EVE and it was EVE that made him a paranoid schizophrenic.

1. He talked about how how money had no real value unless backed by real life tangible equities such as gold or silver.

He was clearly talking about ISK and its relation to PLEX.

2. He spoke about conscious dreaming.

Sounds like hallucinations to me, a lot like flying around in space on a computer for to long and becoming confused.

3. He tried to make friends with someone with pink hair at his community college who later criticized him.

Clearly obsessed with the new character creator's hair options and his mind crumbled when CCP delayed it's implementation causing him to become confused with real life.

CCP is by connection responsible for the attempted assassination of a US congress woman. The only ration response is to view this as what it is. A declaration of war against the United States by Iceland.

Put your **** faces on boys. This is going to be a massacre.


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