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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.01.11 14:13:00 - [1]
 

Without reading (again) the threadnoughts that tried to decode the meaning of the phrase "Oruze Osobnyk", I wanted to ask someone if it was deciphered. I think I've read somewhere that "Osobnyk" means "Sun" or "solar", but I'm not sure. And what about "Oruze" (I think I have the possible meaning of that word, but wanted to ask first if its meaning is already known)?

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2011.01.11 15:58:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Nishachara on 11/01/2011 16:01:44
As far as i know "oruze" could mean "solar" or "sun"...
And about osobnyk i am not sure...

But some people were comparing this words to russian or other slavic languages if i remember corectly.

As you probably can assume "oruze" sounds very simmilar like "oružje" (on our language and other slavic languages as well)
And "osobnyk" could be "osobno"...

But i highly doubt that its connected in this way.

Edit: actually i am interested as well in consensus about meaning of "osobnyk" coz from all the threads i read i dont remember some final conclusion about the meaning of it :P

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.01.11 16:25:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Nishachara
Edited by: Nishachara on 11/01/2011 16:01:44
As far as i know "oruze" could mean "solar" or "sun"...
And about osobnyk i am not sure...

But some people were comparing this words to russian or other slavic languages if i remember corectly.

As you probably can assume "oruze" sounds very simmilar like "oružje" (on our language and other slavic languages as well)
And "osobnyk" could be "osobno"...

But i highly doubt that its connected in this way.

Edit: actually i am interested as well in consensus about meaning of "osobnyk" coz from all the threads i read i dont remember some final conclusion about the meaning of it :P


Heh... yeah.. I know that much, but it was stated that it's not connected to Russian. I'm using my work breaks to search the threads once again, but I'm not making much progress due to limited time I have.

You got me confused, tho... I thought "Osobnyk" means "solar" Neutral
Back to search, I guess... anyone that can point me to the short cut is welcome. Wink

Aynen
Posted - 2011.01.11 17:11:00 - [4]
 

The consensus, for as much as any consensus could be reached among Eve players, was that Oruze ment sun. I cannot find any consensus ever having been reached about Osobynak. Of interest is that there is a starsystem in Eve that is name Oruze, aswell as a constalation called Orus, but there is no proof of any relation between those and the station. What I don't recall spotting anywhere was how the conclusion could have been reached that Oruze ment sun, but I do believe a developer confirmed it. The link between the sleepers and suns are however widely spotted in many facets of the things they left behind. Their technologies are often related to stars and harvesting their energies, they have technology that allows them to build things that could survive within a star, when you stand in front of a wormhole with the sun of the system you are in directly behind you, the sun of the system the wormhole leads to will be directly in front of you in the wormhole and someone even suggested that the now digital Sleepers even reside within stars. Also of note is that there have been spotted mysterious shuttles in close orbit to stars that appear to be interacting with the star's magnetic fields.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.01.11 19:43:00 - [5]
 

"Star Fort"
"Sun Fort" or something of the like, if i recall. general deduction through what the sites are and what the different words suggest was what was used.

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.01.12 04:08:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Myxx
"Star Fort"
"Sun Fort" or something of the like, if i recall. general deduction through what the sites are and what the different words suggest was what was used.


Or "Star Barracks," depending on connotation. It was suggested in one of the two major Sleeper threads.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.01.12 13:46:00 - [7]
 

TBH I think CCP has been extremely obvious about what Oruze means, or perhaps it was Kuvukai acting on his own. He literally spelled it out.

The question is not what does it mean but what does it do. How does it fit in, like gears fit in a clockwork, in a bigger Sleeper space picture.



Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.01.12 16:48:00 - [8]
 

one option for Osobnyk:
Originally by: Raj Matheo

osoby naka Czech translation "infected persons".


Aynen
Posted - 2011.01.12 19:00:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon
osoby naka Czech translation "infected persons".


Sun infecting station? With nano-bots made of fullerenes perhaps like someone had suggested in another thread.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.01.12 20:10:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 12/01/2011 20:11:21
Originally by: Glyken Touchon
one option for Osobnyk:
Originally by: Raj Matheo

osoby naka Czech translation "infected persons".




For now, I'll go with "star fort", or whatever similar, for being the general consensus, but I will continue to search for the answer myself (either answer or practical confirmation).

Since, it was stated that the world is not Russian in origin, I highly doubt that the creator of the story decided to go for Czech either. I mean, what's the point of the mystery if the solution is only available to linguists and persons of certain nationality.

Since the official language of this forum is English and discussion about the meaning of the word is in English, let's just assume that those words have their base in English (if they have any base in any known language at all).

Why I posted this question in the first place? Well I saw a post from a dev describing something about Incursion expansion. He used a simple phrase that sounded very familiar:

"our ruse"

Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
Posted - 2011.01.12 21:07:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Alexeph Stoekai on 12/01/2011 21:21:38
Edited by: Alexeph Stoekai on 12/01/2011 21:13:40
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik

Since, it was stated that the world is not Russian in origin, I highly doubt that the creator of the story decided to go for Czech either. I mean, what's the point of the mystery if the solution is only available to linguists and persons of certain nationality.

Since the official language of this forum is English and discussion about the meaning of the word is in English, let's just assume that those words have their base in English (if they have any base in any known language at all).


Hasn't kept CCP from naming things after buddhist (Soekheviti - Sukhavati) and hindu terms (Kundalini), or using ancient persian (Ardishapur - Ardashir, Shapur) and akkadian names (Enheduanni - Enheduanna), or using obscure scientific terminology (Anoikis). Why would English keep them from using Czech of all languages, now of all times?

EDIT:

Besides, just because a word has a meaning in one language doesn't mean it has its etymological origin there. In Dropbears early example he drew parallells between Oruze Osobnyk and the English word denim, which comes from the French de nimes. I see absolutely no reason to assume that the Sleeper word puzzles need to be restricted to English words. In fact, such a restriction would likely sabotage the whole effort to decode their meanings. The Czech revelation above fits absolutely with the recurring theme of sickness and quarantine in Sleeper fiction - a much better fit in my mind than fan theories about stellar engineering, but both are possible and to just toss one branch of investigation aside because you're wearing blinkers is incredibly ignorant.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.01.12 22:37:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 12/01/2011 22:46:09
Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 12/01/2011 22:44:24
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai

Hasn't kept CCP from naming things after buddhist (Soekheviti - Sukhavati) and hindu terms (Kundalini), or using ancient persian (Ardishapur - Ardashir, Shapur) and akkadian names (Enheduanni - Enheduanna), or using obscure scientific terminology (Anoikis). Why would English keep them from using Czech of all languages, now of all times?

EDIT:

Besides, just because a word has a meaning in one language doesn't mean it has its etymological origin there. In Dropbears early example he drew parallells between Oruze Osobnyk and the English word denim, which comes from the French de nimes. I see absolutely no reason to assume that the Sleeper word puzzles need to be restricted to English words. In fact, such a restriction would likely sabotage the whole effort to decode their meanings. The Czech revelation above fits absolutely with the recurring theme of sickness and quarantine in Sleeper fiction - a much better fit in my mind than fan theories about stellar engineering, but both are possible and to just toss one branch of investigation aside because you're wearing blinkers is incredibly ignorant.


You may have a point there. I forgot for a moment that the discussion is taking place on the Internet where information is freely available (Wikipedia link for Anoikis as a prime example).

I am aware of many meanings of both words in Slavic languages (being a Serb myself). In my language, for example, there are words like "oruzije" (weapons) and "osobenjak" or "osobenyak" (translated pronunciation in English) which describes a strange or semi-mad person with some unique property in his personality. If you want to go even further, you can, but you have to be of Slavic origin or Slavic languages specialist to go that deep, because a "strange guy with a weapon" or "the weapon of a strange guy" doesn't make any sense.

For the example of how deep you can go by analysing roots of a word in some language, I'll stay for a bit on "Osobnyak". If you assume that it has roots in Slavic languages, Czech being one of them, then it's safe for me to proceed with Serbian (or to be more precise Balkan Slavic... since our languages are very similar here) representation of the word. In the root of the word "osobenjak" lies two words: "osoban" and "jak". Now "osoban" means simply something like personal and "jak" means strong or powerful. That doesn't make much sense in our story about the Sleepers.

However, if you look at Croatian language (another Balkan Slavic one), "osobito" means "especially" or "particularly" and that the meaning of the word is somewhat connected* to "osoban" in this part of the World through the word "osobina" which means "property" (or attribute), then by putting all pieces of the linguistic puzzle together you'll get "osobito" "jak" "oruzije" which clearly translates to "particularly powerful weapon". Which kind of weapon is not mentioned, so the quarantine theory still stands. However, I'm still not convinced that it has anything to do with our story, at least not without practical confirmation.

*
The connection between "osobito"(particularly) and "osoban"(personal) through "osobina"(attribute, property) is that "osobito" can be understood, in one meaning of the word, as a unique property of some person or an object. That's how "osobenjak" got its etymology anyway.

edit:just a note... in many Slavic languages "j" is always pronounced as "y", like in the word "year".

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.01.12 23:04:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik

"our ruse"


source:
Originally by: CCP Jasonitas
We also installed the three laws of robotics into the AI, but they may see through our ruse. I just hope they don't seek vengeance on their makers.

Interesting. Would seem to contradict CCP dropbear's comment, unless they have shoehorned a double meaning in:
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Throughout wormhole space you will encounter strange anomalies known as the Oruze Construct, and Oruze Osobnyk. Osobnyk already has its own input, but Oruze? What does that mean?
Well, Pottsey made an interesting discovery not so long ago, but the depth of what had been discovered still remains lost on you capsuleers. Take a good, long, look at this. It should shed some....light...on what Oruze might mean.


A disclaimer about the Czech link though- I quoted verbatim, but haven't been able to verify it (google translate doesn't recognise naka). Osoby does show up as "people" though.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.01.12 23:15:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 12/01/2011 23:18:20
Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 12/01/2011 23:15:38
Originally by: Glyken Touchon
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik

"our ruse"


source:
Originally by: CCP Jasonitas
We also installed the three laws of robotics into the AI, but they may see through our ruse. I just hope they don't seek vengeance on their makers.

Interesting. Would seem to contradict CCP dropbear's comment, unless they have shoehorned a double meaning in:
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Throughout wormhole space you will encounter strange anomalies known as the Oruze Construct, and Oruze Osobnyk. Osobnyk already has its own input, but Oruze? What does that mean?
Well, Pottsey made an interesting discovery not so long ago, but the depth of what had been discovered still remains lost on you capsuleers. Take a good, long, look at this. It should shed some....light...on what Oruze might mean.


A disclaimer about the Czech link though- I quoted verbatim, but haven't been able to verify it (google translate doesn't recognise naka). Osoby does show up as "people" though.

It's also interesting to note that CCP Jasonitas was the first one to answer the thread about the meaning of the word "Osobnyk", the same CCP Jasonitas that has "our ruse" in his vocabulary. Coincidence?

edit: Just to clarify. I first saw the word "ruse" in that post and looked it up in the google translate. I don't actually know how widespread that word is in everyday language, but I'm assuming that it's not widely used in all English speaking countries (apart from some certain states or regions ofc.)

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2011.01.12 23:17:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Nishachara on 12/01/2011 23:26:18
Edited by: Nishachara on 12/01/2011 23:25:54
I agree with you antihrist...
Especially coz i speak almost the same language as you(croatian)..and also i studyed polish(as well as sanskrt..dont ask:P), so thats two slavic languages i know, and i think the slavic "translation" of oruze and osobnyk is very shakey.

Also since you started this thread few days ago you got me thinking more(in similar lines as you in a way) about the meaning of this.

I think dropbear didnt made analogy with denim for no purpose...
So i think the puzzle is in finding the original words from which "oruze" and "osobnyk" could be some kind of abbreviations...
I think that oruze and osobnyk etimologically come from english.
Yes ccp used other languages in the storyline but as far as i know words from other languages served only as nomenclature, and by going with dropbears example with denim this is more of a puzzle than simple name taken from some foreign or ancient language.

For instance "oruze" could be "over use"...and your example with "our ruse" is very interesting...

But on the other hand... if its not "english" maybe its "abbreviation of some kind (like denim) of allready known and named stuff ingame.

Heh i hope someday someone will get to the bottom of this Very Happy

Edit: ...and i also heard/read the word "ruse" for the first time ever now when you showed this example with "our ruse" ..probably its a rare english word.

Also i still think that meaning of "oruze" could be star/solar/something to do with light or sun...
I tried to "reverse engineer" word or words in english that could make "oruze" if they are abbreviated and changed after time...with not much success.
I am thinking along the lines "if oruze means sun and i find from what words its made i could use the same principle on word osobnyk..:"

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
Posted - 2011.01.13 19:25:00 - [16]
 

Not sure, long time since i last read that. i think it was "Storage" or something. But some here say "Fort" so im really not sure.

I think the sleepers use this constructs to get energy from the sun and store it as isogen 5. Thats why we find all this depots where they probably stored isogen 5 which caused the Seylin incident. Only my hypothesis.

Saul Deathscythe
Posted - 2011.01.13 19:40:00 - [17]
 

Oruze is an anagram of Zero U, Osobnyk Boson ky. Really corrupted english perhaps?
Has anyone considered that w-space is actually where all the capsuleers fled from when the eve-gate first opened. Running from some sort of infection? Sleepers left behind to make sure nobody breaches the quarantine.

K'hanesh Lor'al
Amarr
The Golden Knights
Posted - 2011.01.13 21:24:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: K''hanesh Lor''al on 13/01/2011 22:37:53
Edited by: K''hanesh Lor''al on 13/01/2011 21:39:21
Hey all.

Not to clutter an already messy thread with more "grasping at straws" ideas, but...

I remember from my old Anthro classes in college about a very old offshoot of Islam that ended up settling in Modern Israel/Syria/Lebenon area. Very esoteric, they were monotheistic but also believed in ReincarnationIdea. There symbol was a 5 pointed multi-colored array or "Star" (similiar to the images I've seen of the construct). In addition, genetically they carrier some pretty unique mitochondrial DNA. A ton of gentic divirsity in a small population.

The culture's name: Druze (Oruze) <-- pretty neat?

Drop Bear used the example of Denim to represent the changing or morphing of not only a written word, but it's meaning as well.

Perhaps this helps, or perhaps it's more confusing, but here is some further reading:

Druze - Wiki

I'm going to go out on a limb here. If we believe (just for a moment) that CCP Dropbear's intent on hinting at puzzles and plays on words and such is causing us to desperately search for the answer to our questions, let's just say that the inspriration for the Construct (at the Core of Dropbear's hints) is also at the Core of the History of EVE.

If, for conversation's sake, he used the Druze as a metaphore for game backstory and design, then based on the wiki entry for the Druze and other information regarding them, here is what I think.

The Terrans built everything in W-Space, and settled K-space and W-space because the wormholes existed back then. Terran society was divided into for goups, the 4 ancient races, Takmal, Talocan, Yan Jung (read the "Chopsticks" show info), and Jove who are the "fathers" of the modern ones, Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, and Minmatar (read the wiki entry regarding the unique genetic properties of the Druze).

Now, the Terrans encounter the Enheduanni, a TRULY alien race in W-Space. These creatures have the ability to Infomorph, as hinted at in the short story Theodicy and (what I believe) in the novel the Empyrean Age. They teach such technology to the 4 races, who then learn to clone and infomorph (again, from Theodicy, also from Absalon Jade's discovries if the new sleeper info popups... the 10teraflop chip). Also, read the wiki entry for the Druze, and their beliefs in God and the refernce of the "mirror" analogy.

Something bad happens - perhpas the students turned on ther masters, and the Enduannni release a horrible disease, virus, etc (read Kyanoke pit, and the references to Anoikis) completely obliterating everyone in W-Sapce but the Joves and crippling them. The Quarantine Areas would lend credence to this.

The Jove, in a desperate attempt to seal the virus and the Enduanni, Somehow close all the W-Holes to W-Space and nuke the EVE Gate (also read the last chaptewr of Emperyean age). But the Enduanni, being informorphs, can still "cross over" and mess with everyone

Eve History begins, and the Joves are still trying to stop the Enduanni...

Comments, pleasant or ****off, are appreciated.

Khan

Aynen
Posted - 2011.01.13 21:25:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Saul Deathscythe
Oruze is an anagram of Zero U, Osobnyk Boson ky.


That makes me think of the higgs boson particle. (aka the God particle) A hint perhaps?

Stegas Tyrano
Posted - 2011.01.13 22:41:00 - [20]
 

I've quite simply translated it as;

Oruse
O'ruse
|
V
Ruse
an action intended to mislead, deceive, or trick; stratagem
[from Old French: trick, esp to evade capture, from ruser to retreat, from Latin recūsāre to refuse]

and

Osobnyk
Osobny
Translated from Polish into English -> 'Detached'

Maybe something to do with escaping from the hyper-space inhabiting Enheduanni?

Aynen
Posted - 2011.01.14 01:59:00 - [21]
 

Given that oruze is suppost to mean sun, and hypophesyzing that it originates from English, the closest phonetic match I can make is a litural translation of 'Our sun' 'Oru ze'. If 'Oru' refers to 'our' 'Oso' could refer to roughly the same, leaving 'Bynak' which is giving me a headache. Closest thing I could think of is 'Bynak' meaning 'Body' which makes the grand total "Our Sun, Our Body" but I realise how that's probably conformation biass as I'm also a proponent of the theory that the Sleepers are using stars as their homes rather than the structures we believe they are using for that perpose.

Aynen
Posted - 2011.01.14 02:26:00 - [22]
 

Another possible meaning could come if we translate "Oso" (of Osobynak) as "Also", leaving Bnyk again, a particularly hard bit.
If you look at "Bn" and pronounce it best you can in an English manner, and then you try to add a 'd' to it, you'll notice that for comfort's sake it was easier if the 'd' wasn't there. So if the full cylable (how do you spell that?) was 'bond', and a million years of speaking it pass, bond turns to bon, turns to bn. Then looking at Ak, and you start from -age, as in 'bondage', the -age part sound more like atch (as in itch). Once again a million years of speaking turns Bondage into bonach, into bnach, into bnak.

"Our sun, also our bondage"

Is that too far-fetched?


'Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known.

Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door.

If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator?'


Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.14 19:49:00 - [23]
 


Verbalised it reminded me of Douze the french for 12.

Alana Kel
Posted - 2011.01.15 09:20:00 - [24]
 

The funny thing? We have a frame of reference for what "Oruze" could mean. It's in the mirror.

Quote:
Oruze Enclave: Directory
1.0 Solar Engineering
1.1 Photoelectrical Engineering
1.2 Thermovoltaics
1.3 Residential
1.4 Residential


Now, others have used this as evidence that the Sleepers "lived in stars". On the contrary, what this means is that the Sleepers used solar energy to power their society. The basic properties of their technology lend themselves to this, and we find evidence of it in other sites.

Particularly this one:
Quote:
Solar Cell (Class Three)

Astrophysicists studying Sleeper sites have noted that some Sleeper structures are still operational – and by design, no less. Outposts run basic life support systems, engineering stations buzz with running motors, and stations glimmer with light, energy, and mundane activity. No known reason exists for this persistent operation, but a few clues emerge.

This cluster of thermoelectric converters is common around large solar bodies, supposedly for collecting radiation and storing energy for use throughout Sleeper colonies: a persistent generator for a dead race.

Even to this day, this structure is operational, although how it distributes its energy and for what purpose is still unknown.

Source: Jowen Went to Whiskey Space

This is a flat-out, step-by-step explanation of what is described in the Oruze Enclave. Principles of Solar Engineering, Photoelectrical Engineering, and Thermovoltaics are all used in Sleeper ships as well as their structures.

Based on this evidence, if I were to make a guess as to what "Oruze" meant in this particular situation, I'd say it would mean either "power", "power source" or "source".

What about Osobnyk? Well, what do you do with power (read: energy) that you collect? You store it, or you use it. Given the fact that Sleeper constructs and drones are very energy efficient, why wouldn't both be applicable at the same time? Using the energy to construct new drones, new buildings, etc.

Of course, this could all be pointless speculation. I mean, has anyone ever heard of Oros of Alexandria? Wouldn't it be just a horrible, horrible troll of the Devs if all Oruze meant was exactly what we're looking for?

From the wiki page on Oros:
Quote:
Fragments of two other works survive, one a list of words with more than one meaning, the other a list of toponyms and their supposed etymologies.

Laughing

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.01.15 11:56:00 - [25]
 

i find it interesting that nobody wants to talk about the fact that there are people living in the Oruze Enclave or at the very least there once were.

Alana Kel
Posted - 2011.01.16 01:56:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
i find it interesting that nobody wants to talk about the fact that there are people living in the Oruze Enclave or at the very least there once were.

How would the fact that people used to live there change the meaning? I also assume you are using the following as evidence of habitation (please correct me if I'm wrong):

Quote:
Oruze Enclave (Directory)
...
1.3 Residential
1.4 Residential


Though I'm sure at one point the Sleeper structures were inhabited (though in what state those inhabitants existed is questionable), I don't think this is evidence of that. I think that this is, rather, collected data on the construction of residences.

Regardless, I don't think that this changes the meaning of "Oruze". What are your thoughts on the implications of this?

Aynen
Posted - 2011.01.16 11:41:00 - [27]
 

Come to think of it, the 'Sleepers are now living inside the sun in digital form' theory, it reminds me of this far-fetched BS story behind scientology, where this evil intergalactic overlord comes and kills billions of aliens by strapping them to vulcanos and detonating hydrogen bombs in them :S Would be hilarious is the Sleeper mythology turned out to be a spoof on scientology...

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2011.01.17 03:30:00 - [28]
 

I think that the specific definition of Oruze Osobnyak (or whatever) is not as important as the implication it carries. Think about it - our characters might not know, but we all recognized it as a Slavic language. A language from the earth side of the Eve gate. This gives us a direct connection from New Eden to Earth.

It's not the only connection, either. Look at the names of Sleeper sentry guns. They're named after Greek mythological figures, or in one case Sirius - a star only 8 LY from earth.

Alana Kel
Posted - 2011.01.17 06:29:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It's not the only connection, either. Look at the names of Sleeper sentry guns. They're named after Greek mythological figures, or in one case Sirius - a star only 8 LY from earth.

What is the etymology of the word Sirius though? The name "Sirius" is derived from the Ancient Greek Σείριος Seirios ("scorcher"). Quite appropriate for a turret, right?

So, we know there is a Greek connection here. Same with Anoikis. Who named these?

My guess is that there's some explaining to do; because the Aurora Ominae uses Sleeper tech (or rather, applications of Sleeper tech) in it's design. The Erebus has a quote from a "doomsday prophet", referencing the ancient origins of Erebus as the Child of Chaos.

So, any thoughts?

I don't believe that we'll figure out the exact meaning of Oruze Osobnyk; we can get a general idea. I do think that looking at what fits and what doesn't is always fun, if not productive. Wink

Oh, and the "-nyk" aspect may be a reference to Nyx; or more accurately, a cult of Nyx. Razz

Looking at the children of Nyx... and the fact that Zephyr's root lies in Zephyrus... well, the mother of Zephyrus was Eos (AKA Aurora).

The one solid lead we have here is the mention of the Child of Chaos on the Erebus description; a disturbingly accurate description of the origins of that ancient Greek deity.

Now, what can we learn from this and apply to Oruze Osobnyk?

Well, if Sleeper turrets are named by one method (Greek origin words), and Oruze Osobnyk are not recognizable as Greek-rooted words, we can infer that two different languages are being used. So either the names of the Sleeper turrets are names given to them by others, and that Oruze and Osobnyk are "Sleeper" words; or that the nomenclature used for the drones originates from New Eden.

This is of course taking into account The Mirror: we already know (in a metagame sense) that New Eden researchers have access to it, or can at least know if someone accesses it. So, that leaves the "Oruze Enclave"; what is in it defines what is known about the meaning of Oruze.

Again, it's all related to engineering and construction from what I can see. From there, we can draw parallels to the Solar Cell sites. There, we have the mystery of how the energy collected is transferred. Perhaps via the Oruze Osobnyk? So, could Osobnyk be a means of transferring energy?

Etymology will only get you so far; without proving by verifiable means that it is indeed an accurate translation, you are no closer to knowing the meaning than you were before. How do you prove it?

By inductive reasoning we can make an educated guess as to what Oruze means. Can we do the same with Osobnyk? Now, before you say "but Dropbear said what it means", did he really? Or was he simply reiterating what was already presumed, and pointing to a more reasonable line of inquiry (the meaning of Oruze, and the conversation at the end of Anoikis)?

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:58:00 - [30]
 

More Sirius fun.

As for these:
Orthrus
Argos
Sirius
They are all dogs of some sort. As in guard dogs.

I think zooming out a couple of levels would make a lot of sense. You know like when in a crossword puzzle when you dont know a word, you try to find other words that have a letters in common with the one you dont know.


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