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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:10:00 - [1]
 

This December, the Fifth Council of Stellar Management met in Iceland for its latest Summit. The first batch of meeting minutes can be found here.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.10 17:22:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Trebor Daehdoow on 10/01/2011 19:09:59
Retrofirsted!

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.01.10 17:24:00 - [3]
 

Booorrrrriiiinggggg....

Your Fanfest you hold up there apparently. Laughing

Bhattran
Posted - 2011.01.10 17:24:00 - [4]
 

First batch, divided meeting minute releases, has this eva' happened before? Shocked

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.01.10 17:29:00 - [5]
 

27 hours of discussion and you covered the following topics:

You need better websites
You want to set up a charity
You decided that the CSM isnt about us telling you what we want, its actually another method of us telling you what we think of what you did instead
You agreed to NOT have sexy booth babes at Fanfest (Sad)
You agrees that beer is expensive at Fanfest

At what point did you talk about the actual game?

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.01.10 17:34:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Bhattran
First batch, divided meeting minute releases, has this eva' happened before? Shocked


Nope but we thought it was an approach worth trying for two reasons:

-- To focus discussion somewhat in the related comments threads
-- To allow us to release sections that were done asap.

Feedback welcome on whether you guys prefer this approach over one big data dump.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.10 17:35:00 - [7]
 

This is the first of three installments of minutes. We decided to release them this way rather than wait for the entire minutes to be completely edited up.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.01.10 17:35:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Tres Farmer on 10/01/2011 18:04:51
Ok.. reading now.. waiting at the launch-ramp for the fireworks that had been promised Twisted Evil

Edit:
Damn, those poker prioritisation sessions sound interesting.

The paragraph about features for AH and F&I forums sound like 12+ months.. well, better than never Smile

Last paragraph best paragraph.

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.01.10 17:41:00 - [9]
 

Lots of interesting and useful knowledge about upcoming events, but I think these are the kinds of things might have been better presented in the end; the majority of these notes are just house-keeping and some fanfest-relevant information that is liable to be drowned out by the meat of the summit.

Glad to see that CCP and the CSM are working well together, though. Smile

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.01.10 17:52:00 - [10]
 

Thanks CSM, although there is nothing juicy in there. *crossing fingers for the two other parts*

Daedalus II
Helios Research
Posted - 2011.01.10 17:55:00 - [11]
 

Awww. No corp or alliance forums this time, I had half hoped it would :(
Hope it will come as soon as possible.

Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:01:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Iamien on 10/01/2011 18:03:25
Originally by: Minutes
After 27 hours of meetings, the CSM summit ended.


Why did we get the last third of the minutes first? Let's try chronological order.

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:04:00 - [13]
 

Quote:
CCP noted that the current method of donating a PLEX is very cumbersome, and the offer of one CSM to write a bot for GM Grimmi that would automate the current process was not seriously considered.

LaughingLaughing

Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
Bloodbound.
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:04:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Tres Farmer
Ok.. reading now.. waiting at the launch-ramp for the fireworks that had been promised Twisted Evil


What does this mean, a turret kind of thing for fireworks... or moar drake missile spam?

Haven't been to fanfest before, would like to know Cool

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:07:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Tres Farmer on 10/01/2011 18:10:47
Originally by: Elzon1
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Ok.. reading now.. waiting at the launch-ramp for the fireworks that had been promised Twisted Evil

What does this mean, a turret kind of thing for fireworks... or moar drake missile spam?
Haven't been to fanfest before, would like to know Cool

Trebor made a comment over on Scrapheap about the minutes and that some players will misinterpret stuff in them and go ballistic and that would be a rare LOL-moment for the CSM members.
After reading this part of the minutes I'm doubtful we'll see any "launches" yet.. Crying or Very sad

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:11:00 - [16]
 

Things are not "obtained" in one go.

Meetings are a place where we exchange point of views on things. The devs tell us theirs on the stuff we bring up, we give them ours on the stuff they bring up. Then we keep talking about it, taking each other's point of view into account. It's a vital part in an ongoing process, not the only thing that happens.

The information density is usually very high, and I can tell you some of the members are so exhausted after the continuous meetings and discussions they just head to bed after the day is done instead of going for a drink.

Still, every year it gets better and better, and it becomes easier and easier for the respective parties to get their point across and engage in meaningful dialog without everyone being on the defensive. Differing opinions occur a lot, but they occur in an mutually respectful way... Good stuff...

PC l0adletter
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:12:00 - [17]
 

Quote:
CCP noted that the current method of donating a PLEX is very cumbersome, and the offer of one CSM to write a bot for GM Grimmi that would automate the current process was not seriously considered.


I lol'd.

Originally by: Skippermonkey
27 hours of discussion and you covered the following topics:

You need better websites
You want to set up a charity
You decided that the CSM isnt about us telling you what we want, its actually another method of us telling you what we think of what you did instead
You agreed to NOT have sexy booth babes at Fanfest (Sad)
You agrees that beer is expensive at Fanfest

At what point did you talk about the actual game?


With the caveat that this 1/3 of the notes only covers 9 hours, I'd agree. None of the stuff covered in this installment has much to do with the game. Certainly none of it is controversial or even especially interesting.

I did find it odd that $98,000 being given to charity over the past five years is a "remarkable total." I mean, I guess. WoW gave over $1 million in the last quarter alone. CCP has had revenue over the past five years of what, a couple hundred mil? Charity is great and all, but maybe CCP should just focus on making a good game, and once you're successful at that, give generously. I don't demand that every company with which I do business give money to charity. Just don't be BP or Halliburton and we're good, as far as I'm concerned.

Also I find it strange that the notes repeatedly emphasize that CCP gets nothing out of this -- I mean, isn't that the nature of charity? Counterpoint: don't their PR guys get them any favorable media coverage for it? I guess it would have to be a pretty slow news day for $14,000 of contributions to the Pakistani flood victims to get front-page billing.

Anyways, more about internet spaceships, please.

GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:19:00 - [18]
 

Now that we know what the CSM DID during the meeting, would anyone mind posting anything remotely useful?
Like, the token votes?
That'd be pretty damn useful :[

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:26:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: PC l0adletter

I did find it odd that $98,000 being given to charity over the past five years is a "remarkable total." I mean, I guess. WoW gave over $1 million in the last quarter alone. CCP has had revenue over the past five years of what, a couple hundred mil? Charity is great and all, but maybe CCP should just focus on making a good game, and once you're successful at that, give generously. I don't demand that every company with which I do business give money to charity. Just don't be BP or Halliburton and we're good, as far as I'm concerned.

Also I find it strange that the notes repeatedly emphasize that CCP gets nothing out of this -- I mean, isn't that the nature of charity? Counterpoint: don't their PR guys get them any favorable media coverage for it? I guess it would have to be a pretty slow news day for $14,000 of contributions to the Pakistani flood victims to get front-page billing.

Anyways, more about internet spaceships, please.


The charity contributions are not that of CCP, but that of the playerbase, the check is made bearing "eve players" as origin, not CCP. So it has nothing to do with how CCP itself spends the money.

And yeah, spaceship stuff was definitely discussed :p

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:29:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: GIGAR
Now that we know what the CSM DID during the meeting, would anyone mind posting anything remotely useful?
Like, the token votes?
That'd be pretty damn useful :[


I doubt that will get released yet, but the way we voted is very likely to influence priorities. And since the things in the list are things that could/should get released in the next expansion, I'll just say there's very juicy stuff in there that will make lots of people happy. (yes I'm a terrible tease).

Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:30:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Iamien on 10/01/2011 18:33:55
nm answered

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:33:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Iamien
Why did we get the last third of the minutes first? Let's try chronological order.


That would require waiting until Friday, and releasing everything in one chunk. So instead, we decided on thematic groupings (this one is "Community Issues"), which will also make it easier for interested devs to monitor the threads, since instead of one general thread there will be three more specific ones.

Originally by: Tres Farmer
Damn, those poker prioritisation sessions sound interesting.


It was an interesting game, and I really hope they'll be able to run multiple sessions of it at FanFest related to the activities of various CCP teams. It'll be fun for the players and hopefully the results will be good feedback for the devs.

Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:40:00 - [23]
 

My initial ire was calmed down when a friend pointed out to me that this is, in fact, the first of three.

I have little to say about the issues addressed in this installment except to note that, in a game with pleasure hubs, exotic dancers, and prostitutes, "booth babes" are pretty tame...

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:49:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 10/01/2011 18:49:28
"apparently the cost of explaining to the Icelandic Tax Vikings"

Laughing

"a single player (who requested anonymity) donated over 240 PLEX in a single contribution"

Shocked

Good job on the charity stuff - definitely the most important thing discussed. And I'm being serious. RL > Eve.

-Liang

Ed: And let me donate any time. :)

Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:49:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Casiella Truza
I have little to say about the issues addressed in this installment except to note that, in a game with pleasure hubs, exotic dancers, and prostitutes, "booth babes" are pretty tame...


Purpose of booth babes are to draw attention to your booth and away from competitor's at a conference. At a fan-fest for a particular project, it is best to let the players do cos-play if they wish. Otherwise you are distracting from the events and cheapening the experience a bit.

Marchocias
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:51:00 - [26]
 

Permanent CCP charity? Do one!

If I gave a cack about dying seals/abused children/abandoned puppies/other people in general, I'd have signed up to WWF/NSPCC/RSPCA/some other scam, instead of subscribing to Eve.

I enjoy the thought that my subscription fee is being spent on developers, fear, and Hilmars breakfast, and specifically that NONE of it goes to anything remotely resembling a good cause.

Assuming I'm sailing against the prevailing winds, is there any chance that donations made can be made in the name of "The Eve Online Community (Except Marchocias)"?

That'd be grand! Wink

Master Akira
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.01.10 18:57:00 - [27]
 

I was promised Rage and Drama. I found none on this part.

Hope the other two are "better" Laughing

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.10 19:10:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Master Akira
I was promised Rage and Drama. I found none on this part.

Hope the other two are "better" Laughing


Three courses: Salad, Steak, Dessert. All accompanied by a selection of fine whines.

Master Akira
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.01.10 19:11:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Master Akira
I was promised Rage and Drama. I found none on this part.

Hope the other two are "better" Laughing


Three courses: Salad, Steak, Dessert. All accompanied by a selection of fine whines.



I will not vote again for you Treb, if you keep doing such a bland Caesar Laughing

krickettt
Golden Orb Technology inc
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.01.10 19:12:00 - [30]
 

"The idea of booth babes (pretty girls dressed up in EVE costumes, handing out stuff) was discouraged by
the CSM"

Death to the CSM!!!


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