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Cpl Punnishment
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.01.10 10:36:00 - [1]
 

I have not had a laptop in a long time. I kind of like the look of these little things. I would not mind having something to have when I travel and whatnot to check email and change skills. I don't see this machine as something I could really play EvE on very well, but who knows..

They seem to have their own following. And if Apple's were Luke Skywalker, Think Pads would be Darth Vader.

Also have looked at Dell XPS 15 and Acer. I guess I would like it to be in the 15" screen size for portability sake. So what do you think is the best bang for the buck?

Silverized
0utbreak
Outbreak.
Posted - 2011.01.10 11:27:00 - [2]
 

I have a thinkpad x201 (12") that i use when i travel. If your looking for a notebook that delivers "bang for the buck" thinkpads are totaly off tho, they are all about high durability and an ergonomic desgin (doest get hot/makes no noice etc). Take a look at thinkpad t400s, its 14" and should suit your needs of high mobility.

Sgt Blade
Caldari
Save Yourself Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.10 11:28:00 - [3]
 

I currently have a Thinkpad Edge which for my needs is fine for surfing the net and doing work at Uni etc. It is also the first laptop I've had so don't really have too much experience with other laptops but apparently a lot of Thinkpad fan boys say that all Lenovo Thinkpads aren't as good as the good ol' IBM ones from back in the day...

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.10 11:47:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 10/01/2011 11:47:51
I got one as my work computer, its ok.

I got a Dell XPS 1530 as well for perosnal use. It has horrible cooling. I would perfer Acer over Dell due to this.

Vak'ran
TUIG Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.10 13:04:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 10/01/2011 11:47:51
I got one as my work computer, its ok.

I got a Dell XPS 1530 as well for perosnal use. It has horrible cooling. I would perfer Acer over Dell due to this.


I've got an acer, gets hot as hell as well (stupid fan design), worked with Dells that were better in that respect, so I guess it very much depends on the specific model with those brands. Otherwise its a good machine, better than any Dell I worked with.

Also used thinkpads for work, which is exactly what they are good for, and designed for. If you value build quality over specs & cost, go for it (I like the way they look too, tbh). For personal use (including gaming), another general brand might be better, Acer, Toshiba, Fujitsu, HP (no experience with the last tho), etc. Do not buy a Dell, for many reasons including bang/buck ratio, build quality, pre-installed junkware, etc.

In the end there is also a lot of taste involved in one's choice, as most new laptops have decent specs.

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.01.10 13:24:00 - [6]
 

I have an old IBM T40 laptop. It's only got a PentiumM 1.4ghz CPU but for general Windows apps it does the job fine. I always wanted an IBM laptop as they are so solid.

If you want the ultimate in laptop toughness get a Panasonic Toughbook. They can withstand shock, rain, dirt.

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2011.01.10 15:43:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Pan Crastus on 10/01/2011 15:46:46
I'd love to have modern hardware in a case like the ThinkPad 720C ... Never found anything like it again.

Thinkpads were once worshipped because of their above-average sturdiness, excellent keyboards and lack of Windows keys and touchpads. They were the perfect engineer/geek notebooks (unless you were working in conditions that required a Panasonic Toughbook).

Nowdays touchpads have become much more usable and ThinkPads have caught the Windows keys disease. I'd say they are still slightly above average, but you might as well buy an Acer. Modern ThinkPad's specs certainly aren't impressive, the displays are often subpar and some are quite noisy.

PS. for your application, just get the cheapest netbook that has an acceptable keyboard for you and runs EVE ...


Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.01.10 15:53:00 - [8]
 

My IBM T40 was able to play the old EVE classic client. With the advent of the trinity shader model 2 gfx engine I have to use a 3d-analyze bodge which lets me do just market and easy logistics stuff. And this year afaik EVE is going to shader model 3 so more laptops are going to become obselete.

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2011.01.10 16:45:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Pan Crastus on 10/01/2011 16:47:39
Originally by: Vogue
My IBM T40 was able to play the old EVE classic client. With the advent of the trinity shader model 2 gfx engine I have to use a 3d-analyze bodge which lets me do just market and easy logistics stuff. And this year afaik EVE is going to shader model 3 so more laptops are going to become obselete.


Most current Intel GMA chipsets can do shader 3.0 at least in software (i.e. the driver supports it). That includes the GMA 950, GMA 3150 etc., all found in typical netbooks (Eee PC, Aspire One etc.).

Edit: oops, that's vertex shader 3.0 only, pixel shader 2.0 support...

More info: Wikipedia

Akira Kurosaw
Posted - 2011.01.10 21:02:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Akira Kurosaw on 10/01/2011 21:02:59
Edited by: Akira Kurosaw on 10/01/2011 21:02:42
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Edited by: Pan Crastus on 10/01/2011 16:47:39
Most current Intel GMA chipsets can do shader 3.0 at least in software (i.e. the driver supports it). That includes the GMA 950, GMA 3150 etc., all found in typical netbooks (Eee PC, Aspire One etc.).


Hehe, most current... if a T40 is as old as the R40 it's freakin ancient :)

as for the topic buy the thinkpad series laptops if you want something that just works.

Atomos Darksun
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.01.10 21:34:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Akira Kurosaw
Edited by: Akira Kurosaw on 10/01/2011 21:02:59
Edited by: Akira Kurosaw on 10/01/2011 21:02:42
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Edited by: Pan Crastus on 10/01/2011 16:47:39
Most current Intel GMA chipsets can do shader 3.0 at least in software (i.e. the driver supports it). That includes the GMA 950, GMA 3150 etc., all found in typical netbooks (Eee PC, Aspire One etc.).


Hehe, most current... if a T40 is as old as the R40 it's freakin ancient :)

as for the topic buy the thinkpad series laptops if you want something that just works.
There is nothing that just works.

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.01.10 21:48:00 - [12]
 

One of my mates recently bought this model and is quite happy with it though all he does with it is surf and watch movies and pron as he likes to hook it up to his livingroom big screen and use a wireless mouse and keyboard. It's even pretty decent at running games as I installed eve on it and it easily ran at the vsync limit with all settings on high.

Cpl Punnishment
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.01.11 00:21:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Cpl Punnishment on 12/01/2011 09:57:44
Thanks for all the info so far. Yeah.. I guess I am trying to decide how big a deal it is to "play" EvE, as opposed to being able to log in and change skills and do very basic things.

I have had a desktop replacement before, and found that it was way too cumbersome to bring on trips with me. So, if one of the Think Pads can play EvE, great. But, if it can not do so without being as big as a sturdy dictionary, then I guess I would rather have the portability or something a bit smaller.

They seem to have a decent number of options to sift through as well.

Chug Robitussin
Posted - 2011.01.11 09:04:00 - [14]
 

Well, for a little more money, there is always the Macbook Pro.

Cpl Punnishment
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.01.12 08:55:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Chug Robitussin
Well, for a little more money, there is always the Macbook Pro.


I am not sure that I want to spend $3K on a laptop. You can buy a very nice desktop for that kind of coin. Granted I guess the idea is to have something portable.

How many play EvE on a MacBook Pro, or other Mac? Do you have many issues with EvE?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Seperate issue. How are the various Intel Chipsets handeling EvE? i3, i5, and i7.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.12 09:39:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Chug Robitussin
Well, for a little more money, there is always the Macbook Pro.


Good one.

XenosisReaper
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.01.12 21:43:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Cpl Punnishment
Originally by: Chug Robitussin
Well, for a little more money, there is always the Macbook Pro.


I am not sure that I want to spend $3K on a laptop. You can buy a very nice desktop for that kind of coin. Granted I guess the idea is to have something portable.

How many play EvE on a MacBook Pro, or other Mac? Do you have many issues with EvE?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Seperate issue. How are the various Intel Chipsets handeling EvE? i3, i5, and i7.


You are vastly overestimating the resources Eve needs, a typical dual core 3.2ghz processor with an oldish GPU can run Eve up to moderate/high graphics with no trouble, even 2 or 3 clients at a time.

Also from my experience of Macbooks running Eve, they suffer from various graphics glitches and interface bugs, also lolApple.

As I said, the Core i3-i7 series of processors are all hugely overkill.

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.01.12 21:49:00 - [18]
 

Apple laptops are thinner than general PC laptops. And for that pretty slenderness you pay extra. I would get a big laptop with a 15" screen. Which is more like portable workstation. If that is to heavy for you to carry then work out Laughing

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.01.13 01:41:00 - [19]
 

As a college student I've been using Thinkpads for nearly 5 years now and had a T60 for three years before I upgraded to a W500 at the beginning of my senior year; have had that one for 1.5 years.

It plays pretty much any game I've needed it to play although keep in mind it is a laptop and not one of those super high end "SPECIALTY GAMING LAPTOPS" so don't expect too much. But it handles EVE handily and manages ME2, SC2, Mirror's Edge, and anything else I've cared to play on moderate settings. It's quite large (which I like as it's my only computer) and solidly built. Plus Lenovo's tech support is pretty solid; recently my AC adapter burnt out and they happily overnighted a new one to me for free (thanks warranty).

My girlfriend's mom just picked up a Thinkpad Edge and she likes it a lot, though obviously she doesn't game on it. I have no doubts that it'll run EVE just fine and be more than sufficient for email and such.

Overall I am pretty happy with my thinkpads; I definitely prefer them ergonomically to the other things I've tried (the laptops are large but don't have a lot of wasted space and things are laid out nicely). Plus I like the fact that it's just a big folding black box, very professional-like :p

Kara Sharalien
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.01.14 14:07:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Kara Sharalien on 14/01/2011 14:11:30
I strongly recommend a toshiba. Speaking from the perspective of someone who sells laptops for a living, let me give you Kara's Brand Opinion™.

(note: this is valid for machines in Australia only, your mileage may vary)

Toshiba laptops are built like tanks. They are by far the longest lasting on average.

Hewlett-packard and their subsiduary compaq are acceptable, and generally deliver superior bang for buck compared to toshiba.

Dell is a hodge-podge, and the quality of their machines varies greatly, even among the same series. My first inspiron is still going, and as solid as when I purchased it despite 5 years of toting around school and uni. My new inspirons screen failed three months after I bought it, and I have already had to plasti-bond one corner of the screen back together due to flimsy 1mm plastic breaking.

Acer machines fall apart as soon as you look at them, and their service department are a pack of liars. I have had a laptop returned to me from them without a mainboard, but with a letter assuring me that they tested it for four hours before sending it back. They then promised to send a courier specifically to pick that laptop up so it could get fixed ASAP, and never sent the courier.

I hear little about Asus, and consider that good.

Sony vaio's have crummily constructed power adapters, that are forever falling apart. Other then that, quite sound.

I consider Lenovo overpriced. Their machines are capable, and I guess well built. But they cater to businesses, and have a price to match.

Toshiba is my favorite laptop brand. Outside that, its a free for all between HP, Asus, Lenovo, Dell and Sony. All have their flaws, but none are outright bad.

Stay the **** away from Acer.


 

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