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John Grimm
Amarr
Rendili StarDrive Yards
Posted - 2011.01.07 13:07:00 - [1]
 

I've decided that I've had enough from M$ and want to migrate to Linux.

For the purpose of getting my feet wet i'm going to use my Toshiba Satellite 300 laptop, i'm able to run 2 Eve clients on it atm, on the low settings for my carebear(Missioning+Mining) needs. It's currently running WinXP SP3.

What is the best Linux distribution i should use, keeping in mind that the laptop will be used for EvE, browsing, music and films?

I'm thinking of Fedora, but my hearth isn't set on it yet.

Thanks for your advise in advance.

Miraqu
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.07 13:56:00 - [2]
 

Welcome to Linux :)

To make it short, if you get ten replies then you will probably end up, having fourteen distributions recommended to you.

Your needs, Eve, browsing, hearing music and watching movies will be adequately addressed by almost all distributions (barring almost pure server os like RHEL, SLES, Debian stable).

The only real difference is how much effort you want to invest in setting up your system and learning how to use it. Usually, the more choices you have the more effort is needed on your part.

So if you're inclined towards Fedora, then you should give it a go, there is no "best" only a "fits me" or "fits me not".

Ervol Libra
Amarr
Pinky and the Brain corp
Posted - 2011.01.07 15:14:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Ervol Libra on 07/01/2011 15:18:01
I would suggest you read some reviews and articles on various distributions to help you choose the distribution you want.

When starting I would pick one that supports lots of things like AMD/NVidia drivers, mp3, video codecs out of the box
and is aimed for people moving over from windows.

In the end there is no "best" distribution but mearly ones that suit with what you want

EDIT: Here's some links you can use

Distrowatch
Phoronix
Linux Questions

StimpyCat
Posted - 2011.01.07 17:10:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: StimpyCat on 07/01/2011 17:10:47
tl;dr BEST DIST: Depends on what you want it to do. Go with Fedora, works for me.

Personally I would recommend Fedora, its package management system is quite robust and there is a large community of people who have written articles on setup. And the bonus is that I can say with 100% that EVE works on my computer with Fedora 13.

Another popular OS is Ubuntu, it has a vast community but I've been working with Red Hat/Fedora most of my career, so I'm more familiar with it.

Your next choice will be the Desktop Environment, the two main ones are KDE and GNOME. I may be speaking out of turn, but to compare to more popular operating systems, KDE is more like Windows and GNOME is more like MacOS.

Both Fedora and Ubuntu have the choice of KDE or GNOME, I suggest you review screenshots to see which one best suits your taste. There are performance and functionality differences, but usually it comes down to how cool it can look.

I believe that both distributions have a "spin" or alternate installation CD. The main spin usually contains GNOME as the main Desktop Environment for both distributions, so if you are wanting KDE and don't want to mess with wondering if you have the right checkboxes checked during install, I suggest you check out the Fedora KDE install or Kbuntu (the KDE flavor of ubuntu).

One great resource for you would be the Live Disks, booting your computer using one of these live disks will allow you to try out the OS and the look and feel without having to install it physically on your hard disk.

Finally, just like me you might find that all the hassle of setting up Linux on your laptop was too much and you'll want to go back to Windows. Believe me I have converted a few times back and forth before finally settling with Fedora. I suggest you have a good backup strategy for your data. While a dual boot might seem beneficial, I have found that taking the plunge and avoiding Windows even touching my drive, has pushed me to make the best and become comfortable with Linux. Installing an OS takes very little time these days, so at least if you have your data on an external drive, you can swap between OS's until you're comfortable.

http://www.ubuntu.com/
http://fedoraproject.org/

Fuzzysaurus Rex
Minmatar
UnchainedPotential
Hand That Feeds
Posted - 2011.01.07 22:20:00 - [5]
 

I love my Fedora 14. If you have an ATI card, don't do it, but other than that it works perfectly.

Vallek Arkonnis
Posted - 2011.01.07 22:33:00 - [6]
 

Check out some distros that have some live cd's that you can boot from to try it out. I know ubuntu has this which is what I use, others must have it as well.

Ubuntu is the most popular distro for desktops and is worth checking out. But it's about your needs, not what everyone else is using.

Kargyraa
Posted - 2011.01.08 06:31:00 - [7]
 

If you have a linux geek who is going to be helping you with the learning curve, chose the distro he uses.

Gaming and wine is going to be your biggest issue to get working, your other requirements will all be usable almost out of the box for any major distro you choose.

The biggest crutch for gaming in wine will be your graphics card. You'll have the best luck (in terms of ease) with a nvidia card. ATI is doable, and I think their linux drivers are improving.

the Intel 3d cards still seem to be far behind in gaming ability (due to drivers) and people seem to have tons of troubles getting them working right.

I use Debian Sid myself, and recommend Ubuntu to new users.

Unless you have special needs Ubuntu or Fedora will most likely be your best two suggestions, and they seem to both have nice graphical interface to configure things.

John Grimm
Amarr
Rendili StarDrive Yards
Posted - 2011.01.09 20:14:00 - [8]
 

Posting from my Linux box. Smile

Thanks for all the advice guys.

But alas I cannot play Eve, my Laptop has an integrated Intel graphics, and I get an error that Eve can't be played without Shader Model 2 supported graphic cart.Sad

I can play the game on the Windows installation, but not on the Linux installation.Sad

Any further advise?ugh

Vallek Arkonnis
Posted - 2011.01.09 20:41:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: John Grimm
Posting from my Linux box. Smile

Thanks for all the advice guys.

But alas I cannot play Eve, my Laptop has an integrated Intel graphics, and I get an error that Eve can't be played without Shader Model 2 supported graphic cart.Sad

I can play the game on the Windows installation, but not on the Linux installation.Sad

Any further advise?ugh


I was having the same problem with my cheapo hp pavillion. Never found a solution, even after the big improvement to the intel 945 graphics support.

John Grimm
Amarr
Rendili StarDrive Yards
Posted - 2011.01.09 21:53:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Vallek Arkonnis


I was having the same problem with my cheapo hp pavillion. Never found a solution, even after the big improvement to the intel 945 graphics support.


Oh well, I guess I'll dual boot.

John Grimm
Amarr
Rendili StarDrive Yards
Posted - 2011.01.11 17:57:00 - [11]
 

I just had an idea.

Can i use VMwere, run Windows in it and play EvE like that?
Any1 ever tried thatQuestion

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2011.01.11 21:43:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: John Grimm
I just had an idea.

Can i use VMwere, run Windows in it and play EvE like that?
Any1 ever tried thatQuestion

Don't bother, even if you get it to run at all it'll be slooooooow.

Phil D'Anarius
ORE WHORES GALOURE
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.01.18 15:24:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Scorpyn
Originally by: John Grimm
I just had an idea.

Can i use VMwere, run Windows in it and play EvE like that?
Any1 ever tried thatQuestion

Don't bother, even if you get it to run at all it'll be slooooooow.


VM Ware would be slow. However, I run an HVM xen guest running windows 7 attached via SDL. I use PCI passthrough to run my nvidia card to the windows 7 VM. My integrated intel card runs my linux environment. There is no noticeable loss in speed, and you can swap between your two environments in a snap of a finger. My machine has 16 gigs of ram, split between the xen hypervisor (also my linux desktop) and the windows VM.

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
Posted - 2011.01.18 15:39:00 - [14]
 

Wait, he asked "The D Question" and there is no battle going on yet? Whats wrong?

btw, use Gentoo! It is the best. All other distros suck.

Phil D'Anarius
ORE WHORES GALOURE
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.01.18 16:27:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Karak Terrel
Wait, he asked "The D Question" and there is no battle going on yet? Whats wrong?

btw, use Gentoo! It is the best. All other distros suck.


QFT, gentoo for sure

Tornicks
Caldari
The Green Cross
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.01.19 17:12:00 - [16]
 

I am also new to Linux and have two questions:
1. Is using Wine the only way to run EVE on Ubuntu?
2. Can EVE-related software (EVEMon, EFT, etc.) be also configured via Wine to work on Ubuntu without issues?

Kargyraa
Posted - 2011.01.19 20:25:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Kargyraa on 19/01/2011 20:25:33
Originally by: Tornicks
I am also new to Linux and have two questions:
1. Is using Wine the only way to run EVE on Ubuntu?
2. Can EVE-related software (EVEMon, EFT, etc.) be also configured via Wine to work on Ubuntu without issues?


Yes wine is the only way to run the eve binaries in linux. Cedega use to be a possibility but I believe that is mostly dead and wine is as good or better for eve these days.

There are non windows based tools for related software. There is a project called gtkevemon (not nearly as developed as evemon but it does everything I need and runs in gtk just fine). There is also a python fitting tool that works well. It has a few bugs but most fits work just fine. I run EFT in wine just fine though.

Tornicks
Caldari
The Green Cross
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.01.20 09:30:00 - [18]
 

Thanks for the information.

Tornicks
Caldari
The Green Cross
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.02.06 00:00:00 - [19]
 

How much slower a single EVE client on Wine could be, compared to on Windows 7?

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2011.02.06 12:15:00 - [20]
 



 

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