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CCP Bella Bee

Posted - 2011.01.11 22:35:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
I hope the issues with the server renderings are fixed.

Last time I checked the server renderings could be quite different from what was created on client.


If you have your client on low quality graphics setting, then unfortunately the outcome of the server rendering can potentially be somewhat different. This is because with the low quality settings you don't see the shadows and the full textures that play quite an important role in the final outcome. The only way to really avoid this completely is to stop supporting the lower quality graphics cards but we didn't want to do that just yet.

CCP Bella Bee

Posted - 2011.01.11 22:36:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: John McCreedy
I don't know if you guys at CCP are aware of this or if anyone has mentioned it but the latest copy of PC Gamer UK has a big article on Eve and cites this character creator as by far the best there is out there or on the current horizon for any game Smile


Thanks, yes we're aware of it Very Happy

mkmin
Posted - 2011.01.12 19:08:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: CCP Bella Bee
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
I hope the issues with the server renderings are fixed.

Last time I checked the server renderings could be quite different from what was created on client.


If you have your client on low quality graphics setting, then unfortunately the outcome of the server rendering can potentially be somewhat different. This is because with the low quality settings you don't see the shadows and the full textures that play quite an important role in the final outcome. The only way to really avoid this completely is to stop supporting the lower quality graphics cards but we didn't want to do that just yet.


What about some of the rendering differences that were flat out wrong as discussed in the test server thread? Things like hair NOT rendering server-side, the wrong colors of hair, clothes, makeup, opacity being maxed or min on things like makeup, eyelashes, eyebrows, facial hair. Some of the bugs from the test server thread are painfully obviously server-side rendering PROBLEMS. And most graphics in the gaming world tend to be scalable to some extent, having things flat out wrong between renderings is Not Good.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.12 20:03:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: CCP Bella Bee
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
I hope the issues with the server renderings are fixed.

Last time I checked the server renderings could be quite different from what was created on client.


If you have your client on low quality graphics setting, then unfortunately the outcome of the server rendering can potentially be somewhat different. This is because with the low quality settings you don't see the shadows and the full textures that play quite an important role in the final outcome. The only way to really avoid this completely is to stop supporting the lower quality graphics cards but we didn't want to do that just yet.


Apologies, I don't think I communicated the issue properly. The problem is not the inability of my video card to render the pictures properly but rather that sometimes the server renderings creates a result that is different from the original picture.

One issue seems to be that a selection of a long hair type in the client seems to be rendered sometimes as a very short hair by the server. Page 2 of the Test-Server thread as a few examples of these: Linkage

Please take a look at the the client rendering here, pictures were created with a Geforce FX480 and all graphic settings at high.

Client
Server

The hair colour choice is most obvious difference. But the skin-tone is also slightly different and the eyebrows have the default colour instead of the one that matches the hair.








Armageda XI
Posted - 2011.01.12 22:33:00 - [155]
 

Currently there is an option to capture character portraits. however it seems to be cropping the portrait and the result is missing the top of the head and bottom. is there any fix for this?

Lobster Man
Pigs On Teh Wing
Posted - 2011.01.12 23:24:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: CCP Caedmon

On the topic of more options, we really wanted to have tattoos out in this release but for various reasons we had to postpone them. Work is now underway to get tattoos as well as scars, piercings and more glasses in the game. In the next release we plan to introduce the option to re-customize your character from within the game to take advantage of all the new options.


Fail....... Confused

Sixtina KL
The Shoop Group
Posted - 2011.01.13 00:23:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Lobster Man
Originally by: CCP Caedmon

On the topic of more options, we really wanted to have tattoos out in this release but for various reasons we had to postpone them. Work is now underway to get tattoos as well as scars, piercings and more glasses in the game. In the next release we plan to introduce the option to re-customize your character from within the game to take advantage of all the new options.


Fail....... Confused


I just got reminded why Agile development is not a good idea. Very Happy

Verstal
Posted - 2011.01.14 04:35:00 - [158]
 

It's limited and not good overall. You cannot recreate what you already have, so I honestly am disappointed and think it sucks. The original character creator allowed for more variety. I hope you guys get the features in that allows someone to keep what they have already and improve it with high quality, and more detail.


I give CCP a 4 out of 10, they have taken advantage of new tech and hardware but failed to keep what the customers already have. Character portraits are how we have viewed these characters for years, they have a certain personality associated with those images, when you cannot recreate it you have failed to understand your own game.

Imagine that you have friends that you lived with for 8 years, you lived in the same house, and with a click of a button your friends would all change into strangers, they are same people but all look vastly different from what you were just looking at.

Point is get your guys to look at the original code and data again, or if you know already attempt to recapture what we already have if you cannot duplicate what you have then you have failed. Now not everyone is going to want to duplicate what they have but it should be possible.



Insumnin
Gallente
N-GAF
Posted - 2011.01.14 04:55:00 - [159]
 

I don't think the issue is anything more than content. The editor has the potential to create characters unmatched in any other game, let alone MMO. It's up to use and our imagination to recreate our characters as we see fit. Granted, we need more content. Honestly, this seems to be what people are getting hung up on. The actual character models of the original creator are far more limited, and honestly, I don't see how someone can say otherwise that the models themselves actually look that diverse.

What was diverse was the lighting, the costumes, the backgrounds, the decorations, the tattoos. These are the things that the new creator is missing, and will hopefully get over time. Why be so dramatic? This is an amazing step for EVE, and we should all embrace it. Over the next six months I believe we'll see a huge difference, and people will look back and say it was for the better.

I've been messing around in the creator for a week now and have had much success creating a variety of different looking characters, and damn do they look amazing in such high quality. So CCP if you read this, just don't forget what made the original creator unique, and give us all that amazing content so we can create some UNIQUE and fascinating characters!

mkmin
Posted - 2011.01.14 06:09:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Insumnin


I've been messing around in the creator for a week now


Yeah, because whenever I pick up a new game I absolutely look forward to spending a week making a character not look bland.

And to show that I'm willing to troll people arguing both ways:
Originally by: Blandest Portrait in EVE

The original character creator allowed for more variety.


But yes, I'll be pretty upset if we don't get free remakes AFTER all the bugs are worked out and content added in.

CCP Bella Bee

Posted - 2011.01.14 09:22:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon

Apologies, I don't think I communicated the issue properly. The problem is not the inability of my video card to render the pictures properly but rather that sometimes the server renderings creates a result that is different from the original picture.

One issue seems to be that a selection of a long hair type in the client seems to be rendered sometimes as a very short hair by the server. Page 2 of the Test-Server thread as a few examples of these: Linkage

Please take a look at the the client rendering here, pictures were created with a Geforce FX480 and all graphic settings at high.

Client
Server

The hair colour choice is most obvious difference. But the skin-tone is also slightly different and the eyebrows have the default colour instead of the one that matches the hair.



Thanks for the clarifications, I believe those issues should be resolved by now. If you're still experiencing issues like this then we would very much appreciate that you report them and include images of client and server rendering.

Insumnin
Gallente
N-GAF
Posted - 2011.01.14 14:26:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Insumnin


I've been messing around in the creator for a week now


Yeah, because whenever I pick up a new game I absolutely look forward to spending a week making a character not look bland.

And to show that I'm willing to troll people arguing both ways:
Originally by: Blandest Portrait in EVE

The original character creator allowed for more variety.


But yes, I'll be pretty upset if we don't get free remakes AFTER all the bugs are worked out and content added in.


Who said I was working on the same character? As I said what is bland is the lack of extra content and I believe CCP knows this and is working on adding things over time.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.01.14 15:08:00 - [163]
 

Quote:

First you made the choices meaningless in that stats or skills were no different tween races and bloodlines and schools. I'm happy that everyone is no longer rolling achura to get a 3 charisma but come on currently there are no meaningful choices to be made. Now you are doing the same to character app



It's the best way to push people to want to pay microtransactions. Wait 2-3 months past the expansion release and you'll see "magically" dozens of cool looking stuff being available... for a price.


Quote:

I completely agree, I had real difficulty in getting Lady Mahra here to look regal on the new char generator but I just ended up with an attractive yet very ordinary woman.



While I don't have any particular symphathy for Amarrs in general, their ladies looked exactly like everyone imagines an Amarr lady would look.

Now they look like the old woman that comes clean my office, but much older.



Also, Minmatar without proper tattoos are going to look wrong when tattoos will be introduced.


I am quite deluded we cannot press a button to import our current character (and then "refine" it).
I am just VERY attached to this character, I understand back in time I did some mistakes on her but like IRL, defects and scars are part of our persona's identity.

What we have outside is easily a mirror of the inside. What I can see right now is a bland and boring outside, it does not match with the inside, the character is "out of sync".

PLEX Transporter
Posted - 2011.01.14 15:21:00 - [164]
 

Edited by: PLEX Transporter on 14/01/2011 15:26:08
The new charactor craetor is an amazing tool on the "seccond release" please add the minmatar "gas masks" and some more of those cool minmatar clothes and necklaces theese vests and jackets are getting on my nerves :P goo job so far CCP keep on beeing awsome
♥♥♥

PS. the height... please, we want to have some optiions (angel face) pretty please DS.

zcar300
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.14 18:39:00 - [165]
 

So I went through and captured all the portraits of people I know. I didn't know it doesn't save the portrait with the characters name. Sad I thought that would be an obvious feature.

So if your wanting to save a load of portraits be sure to name the files as you go...

Tarartia
Posted - 2011.01.15 04:17:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: CCP Caedmon
As Bella Bee already confirmed there will be a grace period of around one month. The end-date will be announced when we know it and with enough notice for players to react. During the grace period players will be able to log into the game without having to go through the new character creator. As Bella Bee also pointed out, for those of you with alts whose appearance doesn't matter to you, there is the randomize option to allow you to speed through the process.

On the topic of more options, we really wanted to have tattoos out in this release but for various reasons we had to postpone them. Work is now underway to get tattoos as well as scars, piercings and more glasses in the game. In the next release we plan to introduce the option to re-customize your character from within the game to take advantage of all the new options. Expect to see more and more options coming in future releases. We have a lot of things we would love to see and we will be using feedback from this and other threads to help us make decisions on what we put in and when.


This option to 're-customize' during later releases... can you please clarify if this means re-create the character as per the initial re-design; or, once the character's new face is set, just upgrade the adornments like scars and tattoos as the content is ready to implement?

Also, after the grace period is over, do we have to re-do all of the characters on an account during that one log-in, or is it only when you actively log into a particular character (ie. if you don't log into the other toons for several months, that is when you are compelled to do their face-lifts?

Final point (from an in-universe canon perspective): as long as you have paid enough for a quality clone from a top-of-the-line dealer, in theory you should be able to re-design your face each time you are podded, ie. like the Broker.

Atilius Panthera
Posted - 2011.01.15 08:38:00 - [167]
 

The only measure of success or failure for CCP management is revenue. Everything else is incidental.

Don't be surprised or annoyed by the fact that CCP's motivations may not be the same as player motivations. These guys are geeky professional computer nerds and they want to produce ground breaking entertainment technology. Fixing things that are broken sucks in comparison and doesn't look as good on a cv (or marketing copy). Do you want to get the award for "Most Improved" at work?

It's all about how much they can get away with in terms of churn -- bring in more subscriptions and avoid accelerating cancellations.

Yes, the new characters are skinny and bland. Apparently nobody is fat or Latino in the Eve universe -- or has any skin discoloration, pores, acne, pockmarks, freckles, etc. I'm actually surprised how Nordic they can make an Asian look -- but I guess that fits with a painted white face. Unless this is a complete fail (like PI), someone will get around to improving this eventually. Never fear.

As always, you can only really protest with your cash. Unless we are willing to cancel, we are all just blowing smoke.



Crimsons Storm
Posted - 2011.01.15 12:13:00 - [168]
 

So...its like this:

new patch -->
spend hours (well some will) creating new avatar with low qual textures--->
u guys redo avatars few weeks later with high qual textures and they will look different --->
Large portion of eve population emo rage, whinge, maon, b*#ch, omgtheydidwhat,**** u all im quitting / can i have ure stuff.

another day at CCP / in the world of eve.

Galliano Gazzimi
Caldari
Two Swords Guild
Posted - 2011.01.16 17:58:00 - [169]
 

Edited by: Galliano Gazzimi on 16/01/2011 18:12:47
My design skills are far below my demands, so I will need the help of friends to get my character right (not to mention that it will take me ages).

My problem now is: How do I communicate about a specific aspect?

It would be nice if one could copy and paste all parameters or at least read them somewhere so one could discuss character aspects via chat or email.

I think I could live with something like entering "NA1.234NB2.23NC..." in a textfield to get exactly the same nose my pal sculpted in the 30 seconds of artistic wizardry he spared for me.

This also would give me a way to play around in singularity and then transfer the result to tranquility.

My 2 cents.

protohuman
Posted - 2011.01.16 19:41:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: CCP Caedmon
On the topic of more options, we really wanted to have tattoos out in this release but for various reasons we had to postpone them. Work is now underway to get tattoos as well as scars, piercings and more glasses in the game. In the next release we plan to introduce the option to re-customize your character from within the game to take advantage of all the new options.


You should not miss the opportunity to sell all of this through PLEX'es Twisted Evil

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.01.17 04:55:00 - [171]
 

Why has there been no explanation about why you can't give us an ability to save partial work?

Clearly you're reading the thread and seen many people ask About it. Ignoring a valid question just rubs me sort of wrong

Also. You really haven't addressed why people can't just have a jpeg (or whatever) for 6 month or a year unt the beta period is long behind and all the features you want to add have are added

Maybe the most simple question is. "what's the rush?" it's easy for peoples imaginations to run rampant the wrong way when something really seems rushed


Orephia
Posted - 2011.01.17 07:20:00 - [172]
 

The ability to save or export the partial or complete work of character design, as some value or file that can then be imported later, would indeed spare many the duplicated effort, time, & luck necessary to recreate a portrait once one has been begun or nearly finished. Such a feature would be a thankful blessing, allowing portrait drafts to be done on alts or Sisi before making a final permanent commit.

However, aside from the lack of any such feature, or the current limited options for clothing, accessories, and backgrounds, the most noticeable lack in the new creation system relative to the current one we are being forced to abandon, is the lighting.

The current portrait lighting system on TQ is pretty outstanding. The transitions between lighting options can be quite striking, simultaneously varying the angle, color, & intensity of lighting not only on the character but on the background as well, shifting the overall presence & mood of the portrait in a way that is as yet mostly absent in the new system. There are only a handful of lighting angles, an intensity slider, very little color variation, and no apparent effect of the lighting on backgrounds.

If the current build on Sisi is what is about to be released on Tuesday, without anything at all close to the choices in lighting that have historically been available, then sadly a large portion of Awesome is being left behind in the transition.

HyperZerg
Posted - 2011.01.17 11:51:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: CCP Caedmon
On the topic of more options, we really wanted to have tattoos out in this release but for various reasons we had to postpone them. Work is now underway to get tattoos as well as scars, piercings and more glasses in the game. In the next release we plan to introduce the option to re-customize your character from within the game to take advantage of all the new options. Expect to see more and more options coming in future releases. We have a lot of things we would love to see and we will be using feedback from this and other threads to help us make decisions on what we put in and when.


What kind of "plan" do you have ? Everyone gets an free re-create or, everyone may pay for one?
Should we use the creator as soon as we can or should we wait till the new features are up?

I remember when you said, everyone gets a free remap, some got around 5% of one, and some got 200%.
Maybe tell us what to do before we have to make the decition this time...

PLEX Transporter
Posted - 2011.01.17 16:46:00 - [174]
 

All this time i thought the new char creator was actually ok but I tried the old one just now and sow how much better the Vherokior clothing looks in the old one, there is no clothing in the new char creator that even looks alike the old clothes! I am very dissapointed and i hope you look at the old clothing and think aha this is how minmatar clothing looks like they don't have all theese new jackets we designed for them!

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.01.18 01:04:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: PLEX Transporter
how much better the Vherokior clothing looks in the old one, there is no clothing in the new char creator that even looks alike the old clothes!


As a Vherokior female, I can attest to the concerns I have about the planned raid on my wardrobe by forces heretofore unnamed. I have already obtained some second hand clothing from a Gallente homeless people's charity, and I will simply have to wait until the Republic's tailors have fresh supplies. I am also extremely upset that the clone bay operators failed to correctly transcribe my Voluval & other tattoos, which are the only link I had to my parents and culture, may they rest in peace.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.01.18 01:37:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: HyperZerg
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
On the topic of more options, we really wanted to have tattoos out in this release but for various reasons we had to postpone them. Work is now underway to get tattoos as well as scars, piercings and more glasses in the game. In the next release we plan to introduce the option to re-customize your character from within the game to take advantage of all the new options. Expect to see more and more options coming in future releases. We have a lot of things we would love to see and we will be using feedback from this and other threads to help us make decisions on what we put in and when.


What kind of "plan" do you have ? Everyone gets an free re-create or, everyone may pay for one?
Should we use the creator as soon as we can or should we wait till the new features are up?

I remember when you said, everyone gets a free remap, some got around 5% of one, and some got 200%.
Maybe tell us what to do before we have to make the decition this time...


Good freakin' question. I for one, won't be touching any of my portraits until either CCP answers this one for sure, or until the last second.

Shander Maxum
Shander Maxum Universal Ltd.
Posted - 2011.01.18 05:09:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: HyperZerg
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
On the topic of more options, we really wanted to have tattoos out in this release but for various reasons we had to postpone them. Work is now underway to get tattoos as well as scars, piercings and more glasses in the game. In the next release we plan to introduce the option to re-customize your character from within the game to take advantage of all the new options. Expect to see more and more options coming in future releases. We have a lot of things we would love to see and we will be using feedback from this and other threads to help us make decisions on what we put in and when.


What kind of "plan" do you have ? Everyone gets an free re-create or, everyone may pay for one?
Should we use the creator as soon as we can or should we wait till the new features are up?

I remember when you said, everyone gets a free remap, some got around 5% of one, and some got 200%.
Maybe tell us what to do before we have to make the decition this time...


Good freakin' question. I for one, won't be touching any of my portraits until either CCP answers this one for sure, or until the last second.


On a 6 hour drive I just made I tried to ask myslf "how could I be more positive about this new portrait thing".

I do like to be positive and I did get on the test server to give it whirl before becoming worried.

Even with the old system I messed up a dozen characters that I had to biomass because of some lame look they had that I would need to stare at the whold time I played the game on them. I never had that probelem with other games..... not sure why i had probelms so frequently with the eve character portraits making the types of personalties that I like to play (usually, slightly vain, intelligent, self cofident, while being a bit of a whimsical eccentric)

What did I come up with that would make me a positive optimistic person trying to get with th new system?

If you gave us a firm commitment in a blog that we would all be able to redo our potraits once in the month of June, well, then I could cheerfully jump in here , do my best.. give some feedback about what I'd hope improved between now and June.. practice more on the test server and be readdy then to give it a final shot on the system you'd have then with all your planned bells and whisltes in place.

If I knew I'd get to do it all again in June, I could dwell on the positives of what is there in this first iteration and eagerly anticipate the extra we'd get down the road.

Aeronwen Carys
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.01.18 06:08:00 - [178]
 

At any point during the character creation, right up until the point when you finalise your choices and exit the character creator, you can go all the way back to the start of the process and have another go. You can hit ctrl + F9 and take screenshots which you can view out of game, spin your character around and look at them from any angle. If you really, honestly need a month to get your character looking right then I think its safe to say you have major issues, and Im not talking about artistic ones.

You have a whole month, maybe a bit more before you have to have your new avatar done and dusted, and hopefully not much after that we will be able to go back in and add things like tattoos, those silly crash helmet visors and sunglasses to our hearts content. We won't get charged for that as CCP have already stated those things were intended to be in place for the initial release but they ran out of time, so there is no need to whine and moan.


marie claude
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.18 16:32:00 - [179]
 

:(( i liked my old pic wtf cant we keep the old one if we want?

jack morrigan
Posted - 2011.01.18 17:08:00 - [180]
 

I'd rather not waste my game time playing girly dressup games with dolls


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