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Fayetal
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.01 08:12:00 - [151]
 

/Supported

Rutger Centemus
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.08.01 13:07:00 - [152]
 

Edited by: Rutger Centemus on 01/08/2011 13:13:42
Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
Silence does NOT imply consent. Surprised I would shiver to imagine the country that you would govern if the laws were written that way.

Welcome to any country that votes. The populace that does vote never equals the total populace that could vote, but you don't see them waiting around. The ambivalent are therefore mine since these non-voters would not be counted against any legislation


1) Please go spout this nonsense somewhere else. There's a difference between not voting and abstaining. Not to mention that in most cases people not voting do not get counted towards either side of the debate.
2) The fact that someone reads but does not vote (or may already have voted and so can not vote again, you do realise how the number of readers gets determined on these boards, don't you?) does not imply silent appraisal of the matter.

As for the discussion at hand:
Live with the consequences of your actions. Eve isn't only about risk, nor is it only about reward. You chose the name, either by creating the character or by buying it, now live with it. Alternatively, edit some wiki-page explaining how your name is generally unfit and insulting, petition yourself in game, hope to be reset to [race]civilian1234567 and see that you get another name Wink.

*edit*
Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
This is a debate forum

Go read the stickies. This part of the forums is for voting on (perceived) issues. Debating whether said issues exist and which, if any, solutions are possible is better suited for subforums such as "Features and Ideas Discussion" or "Jita Park Speakers Corner".

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.08.02 01:45:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Rutger Centemus
1)Please go spout this nonsense somewhere else. There's a difference between not voting and abstaining. Not to mention that in most cases people not voting do not get counted towards either side of the debate.

My whole point was that this was ‘nonsense’ (see ‘pointless’) since she desired to bring this term into play -- thanks for ‘spouting this nonsense’ back up
Originally by: Rutger Centemus
2) The fact that someone reads but does not vote (or may already have voted and so can not vote again, you do realise how the number of readers gets determined on these boards, don't you?) does not imply silent appraisal of the matter.

If there is no dissent, then a vote passes -- this was merely a defense against her terms but not an attempt to legitimize them. Again, it was my whole point that it was nonsense (but ‘you do realize that don’t you?’)
Originally by: Rutger Centemus
Live with the consequences of your actions. Eve isn't only about risk, nor is it only about reward. You chose the name, either by creating the character or by buying it, now live with it. Alternatively, edit some wiki-page explaining how your name is generally unfit and insulting, petition yourself in game, hope to be reset to [race]civilian1234567 and see that you get another name Wink.

No consequence is being evaded.
I know the options that exist -- so what? This is a proposal for change
Originally by: Rutger Centemus
Go read the stickies. This part of the forums is for voting on (perceived) issues. Debating whether said issues exist and which, if any, solutions are possible is better suited for subforums such as "Features and Ideas Discussion" or "Jita Park Speakers Corner".

‘Better suited’ but not exclusive. It is what it has become – and I didn’t post it here – but you can 'go read' any other proposal and see much of the same


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On a lighter note, I gotta say I’m digging the more vocal support that’s being posted lately. Keep it up!

Seamus Donohue
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.02 01:50:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: SPENDINGYOURCHILDSUPPORT
Edited by: SPENDINGYOURCHILDSUPPORT on 12/01/2011 03:50:45
OK, so I am sure there are toons out there that the owners would love to change the name on, both for legitimate and nefarious purposes. Also, being a protagonist of CCP and of Eve, I propose the following.
  1. For some fee (real currency) an account holder may opt to change a characters name.

  2. By default, the chars bio would have (A.K.A. OLD NAME) so that a corp thief cannot escape their own reputation.

  3. (Quoted from suggestions later in this thread)

  4. Only doable once a year, like remaps


  5. Same cost as a character portrait swap


  6. History of name change is on the character sheet


  7. History of name change is on the limited API


  8. Can't change a name within 48 hours of leaving a corp


PLEASE consider this...dear god please!
Razz

Supported as quoted.

d3an0
Posted - 2011.08.03 00:59:00 - [155]
 

Supported, my name is terrible, plus it really ruins the effect of my portrait. Even though CCP probably wont do anything about all these thumbs upMadQuestion. Supported.

David Fightmaster
Gallente
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.04 00:50:00 - [156]
 

friendly bump. we need more supporters!

TheExtruder
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.08.04 15:06:00 - [157]
 

what a wonderful idea, this would fit in to the game seamlessly

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.04 17:46:00 - [158]
 

Your proposal would ruin infinite number of reasons why you better to behave including the similarity to real life in reputation and lots of other things. Will make the game way less interesting.
CCP would you mind to raise the subscription cost instead of all the stupid ideas thrown around lately? That will much better and faster fix your urge for money with a lot less consequences.

Negative vote for this one.


Target 0001
Posted - 2011.08.04 23:32:00 - [159]
 

Edited by: Target 0001 on 04/08/2011 23:34:37
I whole heartedly support this and would give my first born (Whom I named PlzBeatMeUP) to see my name changed.

Note to prior poster: Uh, dur, game, not real life, fun.

Lance Stratos
Posted - 2011.08.05 00:00:00 - [160]
 

Agreed. also have a new tab in character info: "Aliases", for old names. i dont see much wrong with this but if people start making "bad names" then just remove the ability to do name change and leave it at citizen#######.

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.08.05 04:13:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Alex Sinai
Your proposal would ruin infinite number of reasons why you better to behave including the similarity to real life in reputation and lots of other things. Will make the game way less interesting.
CCP would you mind to raise the subscription cost instead of all the stupid ideas thrown around lately? That will much better and faster fix your urge for money with a lot less consequences.

Negative vote for this one.



For all your 'infinite number of reasons' you couldn't even list one -- although I suppose that is for the better since you didn't even bother to properly read or comprehend this thread. Specifically, there is no lapse in reputation, real life has name changes too, EVE players don't 'behave' as is, even chaos would be interesting, and 'a lot of other things.' As for your digression about money and subscription, that best captures your closed-mindedness -- that or the fact that you think a thread started in '2011.01.05 02:57:00' to be 'lately'

Negative... Ah, I don't even know why I bothered writing a rebuttal for such drivel... Anyway, keep up the good fight, recent supporters! Be active!

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.05 07:08:00 - [162]
 

Target 0001 game is not real life but if game would be totally out of any logic nobody would play it. So this game have logic and everything interconnected in it like everything interconnected in real life. In this game you can't do something without appropriate consequences. In real life too. So there are similarities more then in other games where you can kill someone in front of a crowd and not be haunted down by game's equivalent of "Concord".

Paulize would you like to be spammed countless times or have yourself bashed out in forums or in game or whatever else going on in games where you can change you name.
People proposing this have interest in it but i don't see how changing your name will add to game experience. It will subtract from it for sure.
You should think about naming the character before you created it.

Change of name in real life not that easy, have certain consequences and you wont do it each day.

You want my vote on name change? Fine you will get that if you agree that the consequence of name change will be 5 mil SP deduction from random skills from your char you change name to and if you dont have 5 mil SP you wont be able to change it.
That will ensure that name changes to characters wont be epidemic in EVE and still force people to behave a bit.

Target 0001
Posted - 2011.08.05 08:27:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Alex Sinai
Target 0001 game is not real life but if game would be totally out of any logic nobody would play it. So this game have logic and everything interconnected in it like everything interconnected in real life. In this game you can't do something without appropriate consequences. In real life too. So there are similarities more then in other games where you can kill someone in front of a crowd and not be haunted down by game's equivalent of "Concord".

Paulize would you like to be spammed countless times or have yourself bashed out in forums or in game or whatever else going on in games where you can change you name.
People proposing this have interest in it but i don't see how changing your name will add to game experience. It will subtract from it for sure.
You should think about naming the character before you created it.

Change of name in real life not that easy, have certain consequences and you wont do it each day.

You want my vote on name change? Fine you will get that if you agree that the consequence of name change will be 5 mil SP deduction from random skills from your char you change name to and if you dont have 5 mil SP you wont be able to change it.
That will ensure that name changes to characters wont be epidemic in EVE and still force people to behave a bit.


You can change your name in real life. You don't suddenly forget how to walk to do it either. It costs you, and you have to convince everyone you ever knew to call you by your new name. Is it so unreasonable to be able to change it in game? For money? I'd say not everyone is going to just fork over cash just to change a toon's handle. If your old name is listed after the new under aliases, or change your block settings, whats the harm?

Leiningen
Minmatar
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
Posted - 2011.08.05 22:04:00 - [164]
 

Yes, please. If there is a history it shouldn't be a problem. There are 2 possible outcomes. 1, people will change their names in large numbers, CCP will make a lot of money on the cost and people in game will have to look at name history as well as employment history (not a big deal!). 2, only a few people will change their names, CCP will make some money and the game will not be greatly affected.

For people like me who chose a name and later thought of something better it would be nice. I put the thought into it and would be happy living with what I have, it's not a joke name but given the chance I would pay to switch it.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.05 22:18:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Target 0001
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Target 0001 game is not real life but if game would be totally out of any logic nobody would play it. So this game have logic and everything interconnected in it like everything interconnected in real life. In this game you can't do something without appropriate consequences. In real life too. So there are similarities more then in other games where you can kill someone in front of a crowd and not be haunted down by game's equivalent of "Concord".

Paulize would you like to be spammed countless times or have yourself bashed out in forums or in game or whatever else going on in games where you can change you name.
People proposing this have interest in it but i don't see how changing your name will add to game experience. It will subtract from it for sure.
You should think about naming the character before you created it.

Change of name in real life not that easy, have certain consequences and you wont do it each day.

You want my vote on name change? Fine you will get that if you agree that the consequence of name change will be 5 mil SP deduction from random skills from your char you change name to and if you dont have 5 mil SP you wont be able to change it.
That will ensure that name changes to characters wont be epidemic in EVE and still force people to behave a bit.


You can change your name in real life. You don't suddenly forget how to walk to do it either. It costs you, and you have to convince everyone you ever knew to call you by your new name. Is it so unreasonable to be able to change it in game? For money? I'd say not everyone is going to just fork over cash just to change a toon's handle. If your old name is listed after the new under aliases, or change your block settings, whats the harm?


Under these conditions I would think about it. But why real money? Why not to use ISK? Some real large amount of it?

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.08.06 20:37:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Alex Sinai
Target 0001 game is not real life but if game would be totally out of any logic nobody would play it. So this game have logic and everything interconnected in it like everything interconnected in real life. In this game you can't do something without appropriate consequences. In real life too. So there are similarities more then in other games where you can kill someone in front of a crowd and not be haunted down by game's equivalent of "Concord".

Sounds to me like you’re arguing for name changes here
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Paulize would you like to be spammed countless times or have yourself bashed out in forums or in game or whatever else going on in games where you can change you name.

Name Changing will not unleash the apocalypse, a far worse option currently exists and no such thing has happened (Character Transfers, see the following). The same mechanics that keep everyone in line will still be there.
Originally by: Alex Sinai
People proposing this have interest in it but i don't see how changing your name will add to game experience. It will subtract from it for sure.

As it stands now the only option for obtaining a different name while retaining SP is to sell and then buy a character. These Character Transfers leaves absolutely no accountability. Name Changing creates a regulated alternative that has accountability. Thus it would reduce the amount of unaccountable acts making Eve a better place.
…had you read the thread you would have seen that already
Originally by: Alex Sinai
You should think about naming the character before you created it.

You could also read a thread before posting
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Change of name in real life not that easy, have certain consequences and you wont do it each day.

Depending on your nationality, it can be as easy as paying a fee, signing a document, and waiting. All of these ‘consequences’ have been proposed already and thus it will not happen ‘each day’
Originally by: Alex Sinai
You want my vote on name change? Fine you will get that if you agree that the consequence of name change will be 5 mil SP deduction from random skills from your char you change name to and if you dont have 5 mil SP you wont be able to change it.
That will ensure that name changes to characters wont be epidemic in EVE and still force people to behave a bit.

Not really. A similar idea has been proposed already, although there are many better alternatives that are more grounded in logic
Originally by: Alex Sinai
But why real money? Why not to use ISK? Some real large amount of it?

I too could care less what currency it is in; they are all interchangeable anyway

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.07 13:30:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Target 0001 game is not real life but if game would be totally out of any logic nobody would play it. So this game have logic and everything interconnected in it like everything interconnected in real life. In this game you can't do something without appropriate consequences. In real life too. So there are similarities more then in other games where you can kill someone in front of a crowd and not be haunted down by game's equivalent of "Concord".

Sounds to me like you’re arguing for name changes here
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Paulize would you like to be spammed countless times or have yourself bashed out in forums or in game or whatever else going on in games where you can change you name.

Name Changing will not unleash the apocalypse, a far worse option currently exists and no such thing has happened (Character Transfers, see the following). The same mechanics that keep everyone in line will still be there.
Originally by: Alex Sinai
People proposing this have interest in it but i don't see how changing your name will add to game experience. It will subtract from it for sure.

As it stands now the only option for obtaining a different name while retaining SP is to sell and then buy a character. These Character Transfers leaves absolutely no accountability. Name Changing creates a regulated alternative that has accountability. Thus it would reduce the amount of unaccountable acts making Eve a better place.
…had you read the thread you would have seen that already
Originally by: Alex Sinai
You should think about naming the character before you created it.

You could also read a thread before posting
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Change of name in real life not that easy, have certain consequences and you wont do it each day.

Depending on your nationality, it can be as easy as paying a fee, signing a document, and waiting. All of these ‘consequences’ have been proposed already and thus it will not happen ‘each day’
Originally by: Alex Sinai
You want my vote on name change? Fine you will get that if you agree that the consequence of name change will be 5 mil SP deduction from random skills from your char you change name to and if you dont have 5 mil SP you wont be able to change it.
That will ensure that name changes to characters wont be epidemic in EVE and still force people to behave a bit.

Not really. A similar idea has been proposed already, although there are many better alternatives that are more grounded in logic
Originally by: Alex Sinai
But why real money? Why not to use ISK? Some real large amount of it?

I too could care less what currency it is in; they are all interchangeable anyway



If name change will involve some kind of considerable consequence to it in game be it large ISK or SP deduction (better both) and/or forcing player to inform all his/her contacts in game that name changed so that they have to click something to see the change (dont you have to tell people you know that you changed the name in RL and answer questions why if it's not marriage?) as a measure to prevent frequent or really needless name changes I would vote for it.

Lex Xero
Posted - 2011.08.07 18:08:00 - [168]
 

+1

I support this. There are some god-awful names and giving those people an option to fix them, for a fee like portrait swap or character transfer, would make MY EVE experience more enjoyable :D

I do like having a name history as part of your character info or permanently cemented into your bio. Good call as a name is what you're known by. In real life, when you change a name in the states, you have to make all kinds of announcements in the newspaper and such.

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.08.09 03:10:00 - [169]
 

Edited by: Paulize Dn''Injer on 09/08/2011 03:10:41
Originally by: Alex Sinai
If name change will involve some kind of considerable consequence to it in game be it large ISK or SP deduction (better both) and/or forcing player to inform all his/her contacts in game that name changed so that they have to click something to see the change (dont you have to tell people you know that you changed the name in RL and answer questions why if it's not marriage?) as a measure to prevent frequent or really needless name changes I would vote for it.


In real life you don't have to tell people if you don't want to, which is even more convenient than what is offered here, because then you could stay the same with those you know and vanish to those you'd rather (I am not promoting this). In any case, you don't lose brain cells (SP).

Your idea that -- specifically contacts -- must click something in order to see the change has its appeal, although it does diminish the strength/purpose of Name Changes a bit... I'll add it to the list

As for frequency, consider the past ideas of either having a ‘waiting period’ or being ‘one-time only’... which you would have known about if you had actually read the thread. And with a fee involved, few would do something ‘needless'

Dusty Warrior
Posted - 2011.08.09 05:53:00 - [170]
 

Uhm....

I kinda support the idea but also think it should be possible to change name and employment history, without the ability to trace the change.

Course the transaction should be RL cash but never-the-less the option should be there. It's an option in RL, why not in an immersive world such as EVE provided you have the $ to do so.

Just an opinion which we all know the saying about opinions. Wink

Esan Vartesa
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:35:00 - [171]
 

The idea that allowing characters to alter their names would mean the sudden end of the reliability of reputations, in an environment where players can create new characters at will and/or purchase pre-skilled characters from other players, is laughable.

Laughable.


David Fightmaster
Gallente
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:05:00 - [172]
 

Friendly bump.Very Happy

David Fightmaster
Gallente
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.12 03:30:00 - [173]
 

bump.

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.08.13 00:48:00 - [174]
 

I want to highlight these opinions, oft reflected, particularly because they appeared in succession:
Originally by: Dusty Warrior
I kinda support the idea but also think it should be possible to change name and employment history, without the ability to trace the change... It's an option in RL, why not in an immersive world such as EVE provided you have the $ to do so.


Originally by: Esan Vartesa
The idea that allowing characters to alter their names would mean the sudden end of the reliability of reputations, in an environment where players can create new characters at will and/or purchase pre-skilled characters from other players, is laughable.

"F*** yeah!" Is my initial reaction, spurned by that marauding spirit I feel most EVE players can relate. At the same time, I cannot help but consider the necessity of compromise to success. Certainly, that is argument enough against some of the more arbitrary proposals like SP hits as they are both at the extremes -- to the authors: what would the terms, if any, of your compromise be?

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.14 00:40:00 - [175]
 

I going to leave all other arguments alone as some props of this thread thrive on debating for debating sake, on points that are only marginally related to the topic, which has become tiresome.

I only say this, and will continue to say this. If you think character bazaar sucks and is a hole for reputation avoidance, it can only get a whole lot worse with name changes in conjunction with it. If you can't see why this is, I really have no patience to explain it to you. It's been hashed out on the thread already.

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.08.14 03:22:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Kaelie Onren
I going to leave all other arguments alone as some props of this thread thrive on debating for debating sake, on points that are only marginally related to the topic, which has become tiresome.

I only say this, and will continue to say this. If you think character bazaar sucks and is a hole for reputation avoidance, it can only get a whole lot worse with name changes in conjunction with it. If you can't see why this is, I really have no patience to explain it to you. It's been hashed out on the thread already.



Oh hey, you didn't stay away long. Can't say I missed the vague and ubsubstantiated propoganda you're bringing again. 'If you can't see why this is, I really have no patience to explain it to you. It's been hashed out on the thread already' works both ways. So, in what ways is 'this' so? If you can't substantiate 'this,' then why bother

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.14 12:04:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
I going to leave all other arguments alone as some props of this thread thrive on debating for debating sake, on points that are only marginally related to the topic, which has become tiresome.

I only say this, and will continue to say this. If you think character bazaar sucks and is a hole for reputation avoidance, it can only get a whole lot worse with name changes in conjunction with it. If you can't see why this is, I really have no patience to explain it to you. It's been hashed out on the thread already.



Oh hey, you didn't stay away long. Can't say I missed the vague and ubsubstantiated propoganda you're bringing again. 'If you can't see why this is, I really have no patience to explain it to you. It's been hashed out on the thread already' works both ways. So, in what ways is 'this' so? If you can't substantiate 'this,' then why bother


You, my dear, are case in point the argue for argument sake lurkers of this thread. What exactly in your last reply served any other purpose than to attempt to slander or shut down a point with an ad hominem non-sequitor? If you wanted me to elaborate, just say so, and keep the snark canned, thanks.

I assumed that readers have a general intelligence such that I don't have to explain simple matters in a connect the dot fashion. If you insist though, just for you I will explain it again. Would you like that?

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.14 12:10:00 - [178]
 

Just to speed things along, for Paulize's sake:
I'm going to make an exception to my 'not repeating myself' rule. So here it goes.

Character bazaar, ==> bad
character bazaar + name change ==> LOTs more character buying (all those real $ for SP whiners would jump at this)
==> More bad than it already is. So if you hate character bazaar, you should be against this thread, or at the very least you can't use the bazaar as a 'precedence' argument, as adding name changes will only make character selling more prevalent.

savvy? Or do you need a more detailed explanation?

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.08.14 16:29:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Kaelie Onren
You, my dear, are case in point the argue for argument sake lurkers of this thread. What exactly in your last reply served any other purpose than to attempt to slander or shut down a point with an ad hominem non-sequitor? If you wanted me to elaborate, just say so, and keep the snark canned, thanks.
I could say the same thing, but I at least substantiate my points in rebuttals – that is, when you actually provide an actual point. Hence my snarkiness for your last post, which deserved only what it got, dear.
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
I assumed that readers have a general intelligence such that I don't have to explain simple matters in a connect the dot fashion. If you insist though, just for you I will explain it again. Would you like that?
Character bazaar, ==> bad
character bazaar + name change ==> LOTs more character buying (all those real $ for SP whiners would jump at this)
==> More bad than it already is. So if you hate character bazaar, you should be against this thread, or at the very least you can't use the bazaar as a 'precedence' argument, as adding name changes will only make character selling more prevalent.
How about I just copypasta my rebuttals to this and then you can actually refute them this time – I mean, since you obviously don’t need me to ‘explain simple matters in a connect the dot fashion’
Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
Harsh words but Name Changing provides a regulated alternative. That is definative progress
Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
The loophole of escaping reputation is what exists now and that is because it is unregulated, Name Changing is a regulated alternative. Again, better than Character Transfers
Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
Since Name Changing is a regulated alternative, instances which would have otherwise become Character Transfers may be diverted to Name Changing leading to less unregulated (your “exploits”) actions.
Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
“Name Changes should not transfer in the event of a Character Transfer (reverting to the oldest name) and/or no character having been transferred will ever be allowed a name change” has been proposed already
Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
Again, it maintains the conflict of purchasing a character with a silly name
Again, there will be no “clean name” because there will be an AKA record
…still better than the alternative of no accountability in Character transfers
Evidently, you do need me to ‘explain simple matters in a connect the dot fashion’ :



Character Bazaar ==>BAD (No accountability)

Name Change ==>Good (Accountability[AKA, etc.])

Character Bazaar + Name Change ==> Character Bazaar – (some) Name Change + (additional) Name Change

Less Character Bazaar (“Character Bazaar – (some) Name Change”)==>Good (No accountability - Accountabilty = Less unaccountabilty)



Now in words, Name Change is a superior option (user will retain all their acquired SP at no additional hassle of availability, selling, name, etc) it will thus draw some users away from the Character Bazaar

Since Name Change maintains accountability through the AKA system -- superior to the Character Bazaar which has no accountability -- there is a reduction of unaccountable changes (Good)

[Inclusive is the “Name Changes should not transfer in the event of a Character Transfer (reverting to the oldest name[yes, keeping AKA documentation]) and/or no character having been transferred will ever be allowed a name change” proposal]



'savvy? Or do you need a more detailed explanation?'

David Fightmaster
Gallente
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.15 21:51:00 - [180]
 

bump.


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