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Sapphire Fangborn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.01 02:56:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: SPENDINGYOURCHILDSUPPORT
Edited by: SPENDINGYOURCHILDSUPPORT on 12/01/2011 03:50:45
OK, so I am sure there are toons out there that the owners would love to change the name on, both for legitimate and nefarious purposes. Also, being a protagonist of CCP and of Eve, I propose the following.
  1. For some fee (real currency) an account holder may opt to change a characters name.

  2. By default, the chars bio would have (A.K.A. OLD NAME) so that a corp thief cannot escape their own reputation.

  3. (Quoted from suggestions later in this thread)

  4. Only doable once a year, like remaps


  5. Same cost as a character portrait swap


  6. History of name change is on the character sheet


  7. History of name change is on the limited API


  8. Can't change a name within 48 hours of leaving a corp


PLEASE consider this...dear god please!
Razz



Supported

Perhaps the player's prior identity should not be attached. Eve is about risk, and neutering it would water that down. The victory of Hydra Reloaded/Outcast bore that out during this year's tournament - in terms of confusion over them roleplaying as two alliances instead of one, and their victory was accepted by the contest as a sound one. For accomplished Eve robbers, I suppose that a name change might be the equivalent of getting a fake id, launching them into a new life of crime somewhere. For other players, name changes could enable them to vanish into witness protection far away from whoever is tormenting them. Scary stuff! I wouldn't trust anyone!

Actually, a mischievous idea that might be amusing, could be to have new names/identities expire after 6 months, reverting the player back to his/her original name. It could be the equivalent of finding an infiltrator in your midst. I've been watching too many thrillers! :P

Sapph


Antadark
Gallente
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.07.01 09:53:00 - [122]
 

I like this.

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.07.08 01:47:00 - [123]
 

Whoa, there have been a lot of supporting posts since I last cheched in! Excellent.

Originally by: Sapphire Fangborn
Perhaps the player's prior identity should not be attached. Eve is about risk, and neutering it would water that down... It could be the equivalent of finding an infiltrator in your midst. I've been watching too many thrillers! :P
I'm digging this trend too!

Now back to the top of the list!

Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.08 12:43:00 - [124]
 

No, their was a posting about this not to long ago from CCP and why. and Im Still Strongly Against such an Idea.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.08 16:54:00 - [125]
 

@OP: Obviously you were drunk one night; and, thinking of spending your money on EVE, instead of paying child support, you thought SPENDINGYOURCHILDSUPPORT would be a hopelessly cool name.

Well, live with it, mate. If you felt it was in error, you could have recycled it the very next morning, after you sobered up. Now it's too late.

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.07.09 00:36:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Well, live with it, mate ...Now it's too late.
And what is the reasoning? "You can't because you can't and because you can't you never can" ...that's not interesting at all
Originally by: Gallion
Im Still Strongly Against such an Idea.

State why and we can disicuss it
Originally by: Gallion
No, their was a posting about this not to long ago from CCP and why.
Things change -- especially lately -- and I beleive we've addressed rational concerns

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.07.18 21:17:00 - [127]
 

Bump

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.18 21:53:00 - [128]
 

You can currently get a new name by biomassing, using a different slot on your account or opening a new account. Circumventing these mechanics gives you a clear in game advantage and will never be allowed.

Suggesting an alias list makes this acceptable is ludicrous. Standings flags for people in local was introduced because it was a default behaviour to show info on every new person that entered your system; this would just force more show info activations. Furthermore known FC's, falcon alts etc could use the mechanic to appear less threatening in local or in fleet.

There are consequences to your actions and reputation is a highly valuable resource to be used or abused. Circumventing this without starting from scratch will not be allowed.

Not supported.

Never going to happen.

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.07.19 02:35:00 - [129]
 

Wow, that’s a lot of absolutes in one post. Kinda makes you appear closed minded or under the delusion that you’re the final authority. But thanks, I really do enjoy it when people get all riled up
Anyway, the only part worth reading in your post was:
Originally by: Lady Spank
Standings flags for people in local was introduced because it was a default behaviour to show info on every new person that entered your system; this would just force more show info activations. Furthermore known FC's, falcon alts etc could use the mechanic to appear less threatening in local or in fleet.
One of the ideas already proposed was to have standings transfer

So you’re saying a notorious FC is going to trash his name and pay a fee for what will inevitably be fleeting anonymity since there’s an Alias List? At best it would work for only a few fights; not very efficient now is it?

As for alts, same as the above but even less likely because of the fee and being alts. Additionally, Alts are expendable and change hands enough that your data is probably outdated anyway

And the worst consequence is… more show info activation… thanks for supporting Name Changes!

Again, no reputation evaded, just twisted panties

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.19 13:04:00 - [130]
 

Really Paulize, I commend and respect your tenaciousness, but I think you can call this one dead. Despite your brave efforts to bump this, the overwhelming consensus is that although you may represent the tiny minority of people that need this feature for legitimate uses, the potential exploits, the fact it makes buying alts on the bazaar even easier and more attractive, and all the extra trouble/work you put on everyone in the game through just so that you can have a rename is unreasonable.

It's time to let it go.

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.07.19 23:32:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Kaelie Onren
Really Paulize, I commend and respect your tenaciousness, but I think you can call this one dead. Despite your brave efforts to bump this, the overwhelming consensus is that although you may represent the tiny minority of people that need this feature for legitimate uses, the potential exploits, the fact it makes buying alts on the bazaar even easier and more attractive, and all the extra trouble/work you put on everyone in the game through just so that you can have a rename is unreasonable.

It's time to let it go.

I will and do cave to one thing, and that is only to sound logic. As always, it's 20% percent making 80% percent of the noise (which can be said for both sides, worse if you factor me in!). I believe the silent majority is much more rational and much more ambivalent if not swayed by fear mongering and ignorance. Thus, educating others about how 'reasonable' Name Changing can be is the path I've taken. After all, no progress was ever made without a little trouble/work.

...And since you brought it up, I don't want to rename my character.

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.20 07:27:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
Really Paulize, I commend and respect your tenaciousness, but I think you can call this one dead. Despite your brave efforts to bump this, the overwhelming consensus is that although you may represent the tiny minority of people that need this feature for legitimate uses, the potential exploits, the fact it makes buying alts on the bazaar even easier and more attractive, and all the extra trouble/work you put on everyone in the game through just so that you can have a rename is unreasonable.

It's time to let it go.

I will and do cave to one thing, and that is only to sound logic. As always, it's 20% percent making 80% percent of the noise (which can be said for both sides, worse if you factor me in!). I believe the silent majority is much more rational and much more ambivalent if not swayed by fear mongering and ignorance. Thus, educating others about how 'reasonable' Name Changing can be is the path I've taken. After all, no progress was ever made without a little trouble/work.

...And since you brought it up, I don't want to rename my character.


Why don't you put it to a vote then? Start a new thread, stating clearly that it is just a vote thread and not a discussion one, point back to this old one for debate. Then tally the votes 'for' vs the number of 'against' and 'reads' (I think we can assume that since only people who feel strongly FOR or AGAINST a proposal will comment on the thread, we will count the READ but not commented as AMBIVALENT, and therefore for the purposes of proving your 'silent support' or lack thereof, the AMBIVALENT's will be counted as NOT SUPPORTED.)

After a week, lets tally the numbers and then we can see how much real support in these forums this proposal really has.

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.07.21 01:27:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Kaelie Onren
we will count the READ but not commented as AMBIVALENT, and therefore for the purposes of proving your 'silent support' or lack thereof, the AMBIVALENT's will be counted as NOT SUPPORTED.


Fluff, fluff

Again, I wrote that I'm educating people, that means there is an ignorant predisposition present.
Again, I wrote that sound logic is the only way I would quit, not a skewed vote

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.21 03:33:00 - [134]
 

Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 21/07/2011 03:33:54
Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
we will count the READ but not commented as AMBIVALENT, and therefore for the purposes of proving your 'silent support' or lack thereof, the AMBIVALENT's will be counted as NOT SUPPORTED.


Fluff, fluff

Again, I wrote that I'm educating people, that means there is an ignorant predisposition present.
Again, I wrote that sound logic is the only way I would quit, not a skewed vote



Unfortunately this discussion cannot be resolved with sound logic my dear. The problem is that there are disagreements on the relative usefulness of the premise. You're arguments are rooted SOLELY on the basis that adding a bit of inconvenience to everyone in the game who needs to identify people at a glance is OK in exchange for giving the convenience of name changes for those who want it. This is not resolvable by logic, as it is simply an opinion of who agrees which added inconvenience is worth any added convenience, for the greater good (read population)

So popular vote is the only way, I'm afraid.

(think about it, if logic would work here, why do you think we have politicians? Rolling Eyes EDIT: or Democracies.

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.07.22 01:12:00 - [135]
 

Dear, I was going to let it pass, but if you must…

Do you need your argument validated that badly that you wanted to skew the terms? Yes, that’s why I quoted that particular segment:
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
we will count the READ but not commented as AMBIVALENT, and therefore for the purposes of proving your 'silent support' or lack thereof, the AMBIVALENT's will be counted as NOT SUPPORTED.

If people don’t care then they won’t mind the outcome which is in my favor.

And just what do you think politicians do? They debate amongst a controlled number of representation. In other words, I would have an opportunity to reach and ‘educate’ each person voting.

Contingent on the terms described above, I would be all for it!

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.22 04:55:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
Dear, I was going to let it pass, but if you must…

Do you need your argument validated that badly that you wanted to skew the terms? Yes, that’s why I quoted that particular segment:
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
we will count the READ but not commented as AMBIVALENT, and therefore for the purposes of proving your 'silent support' or lack thereof, the AMBIVALENT's will be counted as NOT SUPPORTED.

If people don’t care then they won’t mind the outcome which is in my favor.

And just what do you think politicians do? They debate amongst a controlled number of representation. In other words, I would have an opportunity to reach and ‘educate’ each person voting.

Contingent on the terms described above, I would be all for it!


Then go for it. Put a vote and keep on bumping. I feel confident the solid reasons against this have all been already stated on this thread.

My comment on government was to attack your logic that only a irrefutable logical argument can silence you. But I hope you do see that there is no more logic to be argued here.

And what DO politicians do? Yes, I will use your own analogy.
The DEBATE is finished. I think politicians have a vote after the debate, I believe Rolling Eyes. There is no new things to be said. Your bump is only an attempt at generating new readers and hopefully (for you) new supporters.

Both of which can be better achieved by you posting a vote thread, which, incidentally, was my suggestion 2 posts back.

(we are now entering meta-debate, so I think I don't need to say anything more)

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.07.23 00:25:00 - [137]
 

You missed the point on all counts:

On voting and the ambivalent: There are always exponentially more ‘reads’ than ‘replies’ and since my contingent terms – as you quoted – were to have those ‘reads’ on my side (since they don’t care enough to reply they won’t care enough about the outcome either; silence implies consent) I would be guaranteed a meaningless victory. Still want to?

On the analogy: I have not nor is It physically possible for me to debate with every Eve player (debate isn’t a one sided ‘read and post’ but an exchange). As you said, a vote can only be had after a debate

Y’know, I can be crass too, but I have enough respect for how thoughtfully and level-headed you used to post. As usual, tell me if I missed anything, as in the past you did provide me with valuable insight on how Name Changing should evolve

David Fightmaster
Gallente
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:59:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: David Fightmaster on 27/07/2011 18:30:00
I support this proposal. I see this more profitable than their NEX that CCP has recently done. I think there a larger base of player who might want to change their names than buy a $70 eye patch CCP offers in their NEX.

Shadow Lord77
Posted - 2011.07.27 17:48:00 - [139]
 

This ties in with another proposal to remove all ancient trial accounts and what have you to free up names. Supported.

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.28 05:37:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 28/07/2011 05:49:07
I'm only going to respond to this one as the others don't deserve any further response and will only serve to spin the discussion further and further off topic. Needless to say my point is that the logical DEBATE is OVER. (how many new arguments have you seen posted in the last while? Right. So QED. Time for the vote.

Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer

On voting and the ambivalent: There are always exponentially more ‘reads’ than ‘replies’ and since my contingent terms – as you quoted – were to have those ‘reads’ on my side (since they don’t care enough to reply they won’t care enough about the outcome either; silence implies consent) I would be guaranteed a meaningless victory. Still want to?



Silence does NOT imply consent. Surprised I would shiver to imagine the country that you would govern if the laws were written that way.

It's a fairly simple task for the forum mods to tally reads and not count re-reads by same posters right? This is your motion, so the onus is on you to prove majority support, ambivalent votes to not count as supporting you, they count against you as the people didn't care enough to click a button to support it. So where is the Vote thread already? Quit stalling :)

EDIT: My personal stance just to remind you, actually is that this would be fine so long as you can address all the accountability problems surrounding it. I personally have nothing against it, just that there are too many negative side effects to outweigh any positives. Another one to consider is that forum posts are done by name, and forum posts are very important for investment auditors in gauging the ability of the bond issuer to make good on their debts. This would add extra complexity to their tasks. (not all issuers like to give out their API), and another potential complication to put on the con side of the scale when you weigh the pros and the cons of this proposal.






David Fightmaster
Gallente
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.07.28 13:27:00 - [141]
 

Friendly bump for new support.

Rushnik
Minmatar
Anhalter's Minions

Posted - 2011.07.28 16:34:00 - [142]
 

Oh I find the reason behind this amusing.
I would only agree unter above ruleset.
I pity you Laughing

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.07.28 23:53:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Kaelie Onren
Silence does NOT imply consent. Surprised I would shiver to imagine the country that you would govern if the laws were written that way.

Welcome to any country that votes. The populace that does vote never equals the total populace that could vote, but you don't see them waiting around. The ambivalent are therefore mine since these non-voters would not be counted against any legislation
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
It's a fairly simple task for the forum mods to tally reads and not count re-reads by same posters right?

Meh, you’d have to ask someone at CCP about that, but I doubt they keep data that specific. Sounds like you want them to monitor IP addresses and do statistical work for one lowly proposal… I thought you were all against inconveniences and unprofitable work...
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
This is your motion, so the onus is on you to prove majority support, ambivalent votes to not count as supporting you, they count against you as the people didn't care enough to click a button to support it. So where is the Vote thread already? Quit stalling :)

See the above and all the posts prior and you’ll realize that you still don’t have coherent terms or the concept of voting. That and the fact that it won’t even result in anything. And that it is way too soon; I don't even have a complete proposal, it's evolving and I haven’t reached nearly enough people (now who’s being selective in her arguments?)

Yep, the onus is mine and I’m handling it. I actually do have a plan…
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
EDIT: My personal stance just to remind you, actually is that this would be fine so long as you can address all the accountability problems surrounding it. I personally have nothing against it, just that there are too many negative side effects to outweigh any positives.

Keep posting these ‘negative side effects’ and ‘accountability problems’ and I’ll keep enlightening you
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
Another one to consider is that forum posts are done by name, and forum posts are very important for investment auditors in gauging the ability of the bond issuer to make good on their debts. This would add extra complexity to their tasks. (not all issuers like to give out their API), and another potential complication to put on the con side of the scale when you weigh the pros and the cons of this proposal.

The tools will be there to verify an entity without using API (the AKA system). Even more so, in the current situation that gray zone is inhabited by entirely unverifiable Character Transfers. If you’re loaning out money and not doing your research, well… been keeping up with the US economy?

Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.07.29 00:27:00 - [144]
 

I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to change your name so long as you retain all standings and have an alias history similar to corp and alliance history. If it is a tool used to avoid negative consequences then there is a problem.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.29 02:43:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
You can currently get a new name by biomassing, using a different slot on your account or opening a new account. Circumventing these mechanics gives you a clear in game advantage and will never be allowed.

Suggesting an alias list makes this acceptable is ludicrous. Standings flags for people in local was introduced because it was a default behaviour to show info on every new person that entered your system; this would just force more show info activations. Furthermore known FC's, falcon alts etc could use the mechanic to appear less threatening in local or in fleet.

There are consequences to your actions and reputation is a highly valuable resource to be used or abused. Circumventing this without starting from scratch will not be allowed.

Not supported.

Never going to happen.



No one has been able to refute this as yet.

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.29 02:50:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 29/07/2011 02:59:02

Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
snip


I had a long response to each one of your 'points' but I've reached the extent of my 'caring' to argue any more of your trivial nit-picky half justified retorts. They will only serve to drag me into a tooth and nails catfight of a debate, which no longer is serving any purpose or reason. (hey, that's why I said call a vote already!) You seem to revel in debating every moot point to the level of absurdity making any counter argument (logical, or otherwise) that anyone may give only adding to the massive digression from the topic at hand, and us further from any satisfactory conclusion.

You have many who have stated in very clear terms the problems with your proposal, and problems with the proposed 'solutions' you offered to the problem. Unless you have any new ideas, this thread is dead to me. Ask for a vote, or not, I really do not care either way, or continue to bump your own thread with no new insights until you get tired of it. The nays have spoken. The ball is in your court.

The fact that you have taken to arguing with me with personal vigor, is proof enough that you feel that if you can somehow trump me then everyone will rally for your cause. In truth, it's just serving to show how dead this debate is, and how you have completely lost your objectivity. Pointing that out to you, is my parting gift to you, for your valiant show of tenacity. Only a vote will reveal if you have managed to convince anyone of merit of this proposal's worth.

Kael

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.07.29 03:39:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Kaelie Onren
Monologue
This is a debate forum

----------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: Lady Spank
No one has been able to refute this as yet.
I take it you're ignoring my post?

David Fightmaster
Gallente
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.07.29 11:46:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Jagga Spikes
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Hmmm, you either chose a stupid name on purpose, didn't put anything more than 3 seconds of effort into choosing a character name that could possibly be with you for years, or you bought a character with a stupid name. You made a choice, clearly the wrong one, and now you want to re-roll it?

EVE is all about choices, and living with them. Sorry you don't like yours, but your gonna have to live with it. Not supporting this one.


you were born a slave? sorry, you'll be slave forever.
you were born poor? sorry, you'll be poor forever.
you were born stupid? sorry, you'll be stupid forever.

sorry, but i don't subscribe to your line of thinking. people grow. people change. you are not what you were yesterday. you will not be the same tomorrow.

i always try to have character's names that i can live with. it means a lot to me. some people don't care at all. but preventing people from changing from "don't care" to "do care" in a supposedly role-playing game is just bad form.

i'd rather have "i was stupid, but i got better" people, than "i was stupid, and now i'm sad, too".


That brings a tear to my eye Jagga Smile. Friendly bump for support.

Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.07.29 15:40:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Lady Spank
You can currently get a new name by biomassing, using a different slot on your account or opening a new account. Circumventing these mechanics gives you a clear in game advantage and will never be allowed.

Suggesting an alias list makes this acceptable is ludicrous. Standings flags for people in local was introduced because it was a default behaviour to show info on every new person that entered your system; this would just force more show info activations. Furthermore known FC's, falcon alts etc could use the mechanic to appear less threatening in local or in fleet.

There are consequences to your actions and reputation is a highly valuable resource to be used or abused. Circumventing this without starting from scratch will not be allowed.

Not supported.

Never going to happen.



No one has been able to refute this as yet.


I think it is more that people just don't care to refute your constant ignorance that you show in every thread you post to.

David Fightmaster
Gallente
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.07.31 11:51:00 - [150]
 

friendly bump.


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