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Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.06 14:19:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Ranka Mei on 06/01/2011 14:26:50
Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud

As with my original post on this thread, even before a CSM came on and told u i was correct about this, its a marketing strategy to increase eve onlines visibility to non eve-players. and yet again Windjammer your remarks fall short of the obvious point of this strategy so give it a rest.

Yup, you did say it first. :) No contest.

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i personally feel that spending 15 minutes or less making a fake facebook profile, liking eve's facebook group and voting for 3 ship designs i like best shows respect and credit where credits due on good honest hard and skillfull work, regardless of CCP's inability to respect their player base.
to me this is about appreciating the content creators in this contest not using it as a massive workhorse to say f**k you CCP.

It's not the amount of minutes it takes to create a Facebook account, but what that account stands for, and the people behind it.

Respect, you say? Funny thing about that: respect is a two-way street; if CCP wanted us to show our appreciation for the makers of those models, than they should have respected their userbase enough to use a reputable voting system (like their own). Not the fault of the ship designers, of course. At the same time I'm not gonna jeopardize my own online security by creating a Facebook account, just so I can show appreciation elsewhere.

Someone at CCP was drooling over the Facebook hype, and, at that point, became totally unreasonable, seeing only the dollar signs in his own eyes, and becoming purposely deaf to the more than reasonable objections people might have against Facebook, and why an in-game voting system would have been much better. That's also not the fault of the ship designers. But it ain't mine either.

Major Kaboomski
Posted - 2011.01.06 14:38:00 - [122]
 

Kaboom!

hakkiew365
Muffin Munchers
Muffy Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.06 14:38:00 - [123]
 

signed

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.01.06 14:56:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Soden Rah on 06/01/2011 14:57:48
Originally by: TeaDaze
We (CSM5) argued against this Facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for Facebook right now.


Thank you for posting this, and I welcome the CSM's position on this issue.

I have no issue with CCP advertising on Facebook, or anywhere else for that matter.

I DO have an issue with them making eve related content ONLY available via third party websites. If CCP wanted to advertise eve and/or this competition on Facebook then that’s fine, BUT the voting should have happened ONLY on CCP's own websites and the Facebook adds should simply have directed people here.

If CCP's decision was purely a marketing and PR one, which they have every intention of repeating I would hope we can make it clear that this is unacceptable, and that a petition like this WILL appear EVERY time they outsource eve content.

I would hope that the CSM would bring this issue back up with CCP with the added ammunition of having a large and p****d off player base behind them.

EDIT: for grammar

Haloxx
Star Section 9

Posted - 2011.01.06 17:02:00 - [125]
 

Signed.

Bhaal Chinnian
Posted - 2011.01.06 18:45:00 - [126]
 

I dunno if this has been mentioned before, but why not just add a voting feature to EveGate since it is Eves in-house Social Network? I will go back to scratching my manly chin now ty.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.07 03:38:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
Originally by: TeaDaze
We (CSM5) argued against this facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for facebook right now.


As with my original post on this thread, even before a CSM came on and told u i was correct about this, its a marketing strategy to increase eve onlines visibility to non eve-players. and yet again Windjammer your remarks fall short of the obvious point of this strategy so give it a rest.
Someone said you were the first to point this out. Posts 32, 48, 53 and 58 of this thread made comments before you regarding the marketing aspect of CCP’s scheme. I suspect the majority of others who have posted on this thread already knew it was a marketing scheme and felt it obvious enough not to warrant comment. I don’t believe anyone on this thread has contested that point. People aren’t opposed to getting new subscribers for EVE or to having CCP make more money. They’re opposed to the way CCP is doing it. The end does not justify the means.

Did you happen to catch the part where TeaDaze mentions the CSM’s position on this? Perhaps you’ve notice that 97 people have supported the OP’s proposal within the space of a week. I’d be hard pressed to recall such a massive thumbs up in such a short time for any other proposal.

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
in actual fact it was you who started the whole assumption fiasco when u wrongly accused me of being a CCP staff member, waaaay wrong m8! unlucky!
plus talking as if you're feeling wronged in some way because u need to sign up to a random free website to take part in a vote on artwork that wont see the light of day in eve for a hell of a long time, if not ever!
Incorrect. In point of fact I suggested your post had the smell of a CCP staffer, not that you actually were a CCP staffer. Your posts still do. We have only your word for it that you’re not. However, I won’t press the point with you. CCP staffer or groveling sycophant, it makes little difference. Your position is what it is.

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
ive voted and made a fake facebook profile and you want to know why? not because i particularly want to see any of those ships in eve, and not so i can have a small temper tantrum when it doesnt happen, then threaten CCP with cancelling my million or so subscriptions. But because i appreciate the time taken by all of those guys and girls who spent cumulative hours that im sure turned to days creating their own 3d masterpieces.

i personally feel that spending 15 minutes or less making a fake facebook profile, liking eve's facebook group and voting for 3 ship designs i like best shows respect and credit where credits due on good honest hard and skillfull work, regardless of CCP's inability to respect their player base.
to me this is about appreciating the content creators in this contest not using it as a massive workhorse to say f**k you CCP.

bt thats just me!
First you call us narrow minded, then ignorant and now you’re trying to guilt us into going to Facebook because we’re hurting the artists involved? Where is your anger at CCP for creating a situation the artists couldn’t have anticipated? This was CCP’s doing, not ours. Telling us we should join Facebook, something many of us are vigorously opposed to, for the sake of the artists is an absurd and slightly desperate argument.

You seem to have a sense of what CCP’s rights are. What about consumer rights? What about the rights of the artists who have been used in this fashion? No, not necessarily legal rights, but ethical ones and rights all the same. Subscribers are not obligated to give up their rights in order to correct a wrong CCP has committed.

As you’ve seen in this thread, there are many reasons people do not wish to use Facebook. CCP has miscalculated this situation. They may indeed get some free advertising out of this, but they’re also gaining the anger of customers they already have.

This is not a “temper tantrum”, as you put it. It is customer feedback. Something most companies crave and CCP has specifically asked for.

-Windjammer

Jonathan Caldar
Posted - 2011.01.07 10:51:00 - [128]
 

I am very dissapointed by CCP not allowing Customers to vote on other sites than Facebook.

Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Posted - 2011.01.07 11:32:00 - [129]
 

Agreed.

I have a facebook account but I think it's unfair asking those who don't have/want one to join up to vote for something they care about.

Ataxio
Posted - 2011.01.07 20:18:00 - [130]
 

Due to my intense hate towards social networking, I'm going to have to give my support here. There will be no installing of software and or account activation through 3rd party's just to vote on an EvE ship.

Marak Mocam
Posted - 2011.01.08 00:53:00 - [131]
 

(tl;dr - Why the hell didn't they use EVE Gate and send/receive feeds with Facebook?!?)

I really don't get it. EVE Gate was this big deal about "social networking" they put together and it wasn't used for this. Facebook allows feeds so even a "hack job" to parse results from Facebook should have worked and taken little development time to implement.

No concerns about using Facebook, a good use for the effort invested in creating EVE Gate and marcom gets a new set of toys to play with PLUS gets to hype EVE Gate if they so choose. Same end-results but more participation from the user community -AND- the ability to use the same mechanism to pipe things to and from Facebook/EVE Gate in the future.

It seems to be a lame decision by the Marketing group and a missed opportunity.

vikari
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.01.08 03:08:00 - [132]
 


Valuv
Wraith.Wing
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.01.08 11:43:00 - [133]
 


Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2011.01.08 11:44:00 - [134]
 

Do you realy care of some **** social network where you have hundreds of "cyber frineds" that will never be there for you?

If you are realy "social" person, then you go out and meet people IRL. Not in that **** just good enough to change sexual adresses.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.08 20:00:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: Windjammer on 08/01/2011 20:04:19
Originally by: Joss56
Do you realy care of some **** social network where you have hundreds of "cyber frineds" that will never be there for you?

If you are realy "social" person, then you go out and meet people IRL. Not in that **** just good enough to change sexual adresses.
Ummm………….you seem to be against having to use Facebook. This thread is a proposal protesting the use of Facebook in voting for art intended for EVE.

How about a thumbs up supporting the proposal?Smile There's a little check box for that when you post.

Regards,
Windjammer

Joshawu Minden
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.08 20:30:00 - [136]
 

So who's gonna stop the folks who decide to create >9K fake facebook accounts to influence the results? With EVE-Gate CCP has some measure of control there.

And you can believe me when I say that I know some folks that have multiple accounts so they can cheat at... Farmville. Shocked

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.08 21:12:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Joshawu Minden
So who's gonna stop the folks who decide to create >9K fake facebook accounts to influence the results? With EVE-Gate CCP has some measure of control there.

And you can believe me when I say that I know some folks that have multiple accounts so they can cheat at... Farmville. Shocked
I don’t think this causes CCP any concern. The primary purpose of arranging the voting to be done exclusively on Facebook is to market their game to people who aren’t playing it. Of course, if people are creating fake Facebook accounts to vote, it defeats the marketing purpose.

So, angering current customers, effectively barring a section of the EVE populace from voting, opening up voting to non-EVE people and now a point is made which completely voids any semblance of validity the voting might have had at all. This was supposed to have been a fun contest. It appears to be failing on multiple levels.

Regards,
Windjammer

ViolenTUK
Gallente
Demolition Men

Posted - 2011.01.08 21:17:00 - [138]
 

I will never use facebook.

Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.01.08 23:11:00 - [139]
 

I don't just not like Facebook. I have experience with it, and I can say firsthand that there are few places on the internet more annoying or confusing than that website. Don't use Myspace either, that one is arguably slightly worse.

I wish I could give this more thumbs up, but I guess one will have to do.

Fuyu'no Kiri
Beauvoir-Bourdieu

Posted - 2011.01.09 01:50:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: Fuyu''no Kiri on 09/01/2011 01:54:01
The reasons why I dislike and distrust anything facebook-and-friends-related are mine, so I won't list them, but they are many.

The reasons why CCP decided to drive this contest only through facebook are their, and I don't care.

The fact is that a lot of us are obviously upset by this move, and I feel particularly sorry for the people who spent so many hours designing those 47 great hulls --- as in "numerous unpaid work hours", yes --- that their work ends up in such a trashcan. In fact, I haven't even cared to take a look at them since this "facebook account mandatory" condition was stated.

Possible alternatives have already been stated in this thread.


Also, Mister MacCloud, you've stated that you don't see anything wrong with the way this contest is held, which is just fine. But your trying to argument indifinetly with other people is getting annoying and, I feel, quite insulting. Windjammer, if you will please stop feeding the troll.


Originally by: Jasdemi
That CCP employee who decided to use Failbook to vote MUST be fired immediately.
I'd rather go with a good spanking. The whole department.

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
I'm not even using EVE Gate because it's just another stupid social web thinggy,
I personnaly find it really helpful to handle evemails outside of the game client.

Originally by: Gee-willbeblocked-zle MacCloud
and seriously if you are not surfing the web with sufficient up to date virus software and anti-malware/spyware software then ur a complete fool and should expect your emails to be hacked, your digital identity to be stolen and your bank accounts to be drained of funds illegally.
Since there's no such thing as hacking the plain text stream an email is, I take it you're not familiar enough with network security to even care to have you know how not familiar you are with network security.

Originally by: TeaDaze
We (CSM5) argued against this facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for facebook right now.
It's always great to get CSM's opinion, thanks. And please, tread on the toes of the person who decided that it would be facebook-only when you see him/her ;-P

Originally by: Joshawu Minden
So who's gonna stop the folks who decide to create >9K fake facebook accounts to influence the results?
Don't hint me too much, please... ten years ago, a group of friends and I got the whole IP range of our university banned from a charity website in such a way. It was the "1M clicks in a fortnight and we'll dig X wells in africa" kind of stuff. We elaborated and nohup'ed wget loop based shell scripts (with a slight sleep, we're not animals ;-) on every single machine we had access to --- and there was plenty of it. They nearly got their quorum in 2 days. (For the record, they banned us but didn't discard our "clicks" ;-)



hired goon
Posted - 2011.01.09 01:53:00 - [141]
 

Mad

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.01.09 13:44:00 - [142]
 

Bump. because this is important and shouldn't slip off the CSM's / CCP's radar.

T' Elk
Minmatar
Clearly Compensating
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.09 18:23:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul
/Signed

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.10 07:54:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Fuyu'no Kiri
Windjammer, if you will please stop feeding the troll.
Why do you assume I’m feeding him?Cool

-Windjammer

Velocifero
Posted - 2011.01.10 13:20:00 - [145]
 

I also thought this when going to vote. It pains me to admit that I do indeed care less about the addition of a new starship than losing another minute of my precious life to that site. It really doesn't need yet another reason to pervade popular culture like the common denominatorial rash that it is.

Yes, I use facebook, yes I use it to ***** and whine about my 1062 friends (i hate them all, and know even less) but please keep EVE sacred like the precious gem of unadulterated wonderfullness that it is.

It is the subscribers of EVE who sponsor EVE, not some pushy door-to-door salesman's wetdream.

Thanks :)

SerratedX
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric
The Polaris Syndicate
Posted - 2011.01.10 14:56:00 - [146]
 


**** Facebook

OC 2av2
Posted - 2011.01.10 19:30:00 - [147]
 


Damagran
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.01.10 19:54:00 - [148]
 

I have to agree with this.

CCP you are wrong on this one, We heard great stories at Fanfest about EVE Gate, your interest in mobile platforms and linking it all together. You show great visions about technology and where CCP wants to go and then you go to Facebook for this. Act like the technological leaders you claim to be. Facebook to advertise, sure. Facebook for what should be inherent CCP....not so good.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.11 02:38:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Damagran
I have to agree with this.

CCP you are wrong on this one, We heard great stories at Fanfest about EVE Gate, your interest in mobile platforms and linking it all together. You show great visions about technology and where CCP wants to go and then you go to Facebook for this. Act like the technological leaders you claim to be. Facebook to advertise, sure. Facebook for what should be inherent CCP....not so good.
There is no technology, no matter how profound, that cannot be screwed up by the marketing department.

Marketing departments should be in their own building away from everyone else. Their views should be heavily filtered and the lot of them kept on a short leash. They’re necessary, but most of their ideas should be treated as something from someone just this side of a straight jacket. If not watched they go straight over to crazy.

Under no circumstances should they be permitted to roam freely without supervision. They are dangerous and those who are not trained in handling them should not try to. In extreme cases, Taser’s are authorized.

Regards,
Windjammer

Atacdad
Amarr
Black Aces Mining Div
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2011.01.11 03:26:00 - [150]
 

Edited by: Atacdad on 11/01/2011 03:26:25
I support this notion...no Facebook only events. EveGate is a much more appropriate venue (or at least it *should* be!).


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