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Spirulina Laxissima
Minmatar
TotalControl Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.04 13:26:00 - [91]
 

Fully supported.

If you're still not sure about this then watch Facebook Intelligence-Links

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.01.04 17:26:00 - [92]
 

I'm not even using EVE Gate because it's just another stupid social web thinggy, let alone Failbook.

Corian Teranos
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Preatoriani
Posted - 2011.01.04 17:55:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Spirulina Laxissima
Fully supported.

If you're still not sure about this then watch Facebook Intelligence-Links


i nearly **** my pants when i watched this if i could support this twice i would

i was worried about facebook because of viruses but now that i see the cia uses it i can make a fake facebook page to throw them off the trail MUAHAHAHAHA
*skips off to his mothers basement wearing a tinfoil hat*

Black Dahliala
Posted - 2011.01.05 05:43:00 - [94]
 

SERIOUSLY WT* CCP!
I pay for these accounts and you want me to join facebot to vote?

Jai Di
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.05 12:54:00 - [95]
 


Laxyr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.05 13:00:00 - [96]
 

I was happy to hear the voting on the ship designs finally started. In the waiting period, between the scheduled beginning and the actual one, I already began to lose interest in the thing.

Having to have a facebook account to vote gave me the rest and I said to myself "alright, I've had it with this"

I wonder how many votes will determine the winner of that contest.

Arskaff
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.01.05 13:15:00 - [97]
 

Supported.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.05 13:45:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Ranka Mei on 05/01/2011 13:46:33
Originally by: Corian Teranos


If you're still not sure about this then watch Facebook Intelligence-Links


Looks like a criminal conspiracy to me. Since it's the American government, however, they get away with it. But seeing this, I can only urge everyone to boycot facebook.

GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.05 17:13:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 05/01/2011 13:46:33
Originally by: Corian Teranos


If you're still not sure about this then watch Facebook Intelligence-Links


Looks like a criminal conspiracy to me. Since it's the American government, however, they get away with it. But seeing this, I can only urge everyone to boycot facebook.


i lol'd at this vid on facebook... and i lol'd at the reaction of people on this forum about that vid! are people really so dumb as to not realise this stuff goes on??

i guess people THINK that if they make a facebook profile with their name and email address, the CIA and corporate companies will magically know their social security number, full bank account details, sexual deficiencies, plus any and every thought you may have ever had that could be considered non Politically Correct(non-PC). THIS ISNT SO!

yes they cross reference from other sources but they can only know what you tell them. and seriously if you are not surfing the web with sufficient up to date virus software and anti-malware/spyware software then ur a complete fool and should expect your emails to be hacked, your digital identity to be stolen and your bank accounts to be drained of funds illegally.

Corina Jarr
Posted - 2011.01.05 17:16:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 05/01/2011 13:46:33
Originally by: Corian Teranos


If you're still not sure about this then watch Facebook Intelligence-Links


Looks like a criminal conspiracy to me. Since it's the American government, however, they get away with it. But seeing this, I can only urge everyone to boycot facebook.

OR, don't put up on Facebook what you don't want the whole world to know. Half of my friends don't even use their real names. Heck, I'm thinking about making one for this character. Would be fun and confusing status changes.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.05 19:03:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
So yes running eve online isnt tooo taxing on icelandic Krona, but the cost of the increased size of the development staff would be backing CCP into a corner unless they find creative and new ways to reach out to new customers, and therefore new subbs and more income.
The increased size of the development staff is largely to provide resources to games other than EVE. Good for CCP. They should try to find other sources of income outside the primary cash cow of EVE. It’s diversification and that protects the overall health of the company. No argument. However, those decisions are CCP’s and if they back themselves into a corner, that’s their doing, not ours.

CCP should be creative in finding new customers. They could use them. Here’s a creative idea. Fix the things in EVE that have been on the “backlog” for freaking ever. Fix the current content so it actually works as intended. Stop breaking the game every time a release comes out. That would be novel. Then we’d be able to tell our friends that we play a game that isn’t perpetually broken and THAT might get more customers as well as retain the ones they’ve already got.

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
im just saying that the whole facebook "like" feature to this competition is the personification of this drive to reach out to new possible customers at little or no cost to CCP, unlike front cover spreads and feature previews in magazines, which always costs money.
No. This “whole facebook like feature” is the personification of CCP’s cavalier treatment of their customers. They could have extended the voting to Facebook as well as have a way for their current customers to vote without joining Facebook. Alternately they could have had two separate votes. Instead, they tell their customers, “we want you to join Facebook to vote so that we can create a buzz that might attract new customers and we really don’t care if you have an aversion to Facebook. Join Facebook or be barred from participation.

CCP has an unfortunate tendency to try to manipulate their customers rather than entice them or if enticement fails, to strong arm them. For some time now CCP has had a Facebook section and invited EVE players to join. The turnout has been less than spectacular. So now they introduce an EVE event that requires joining Facebook. The first of many to come?

Subscriber’s to EVE, current customers of CCP, pay for EVE. They pay with the expectation that they will have access to everything in EVE without further requirements from CCP.

-Windjammer

GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.05 22:48:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Windjammer

Subscriber’s to EVE, current customers of CCP, pay for EVE. They pay with the expectation that they will have access to everything in EVE without further requirements from CCP.

-Windjammer



firstly, how about you dont bold and underline a personal opinion of the state of all eve's subscribers assumptions unless you've polled such a thing and linked it with proper citation. ESPECIALLY when its done in such a way as to appear like a proven fact!

i would love access to eve onlines source-code but i dont think im gonna get it!

secondly, thats all fair and well in a fair and just world where every1 is truthfull and mindfull of everyone else... but look around you... millions's die for no reason at all... billions are taken advantage of because they can be, and most arent even aware of these because they dont enter our daily lives. if u wanna complain to CCP about doing things you didnt expect them to do and find out that you cannot bring them to account, then i suggest you take a look at yourself at how trusting u are to EULA's u blindly accept.

but of course u can always use the scapegoat of being part of a society annoyed at long teadious "terms of agreement" that always find their ways into software installations, and the compultion to ignore it and just click "accept".


assumption is the mother of all f**k ups, and it seems that you're very much hurting from disregarding that fact.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.05 23:09:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 05/01/2011 13:46:33
Originally by: Corian Teranos


If you're still not sure about this then watch Facebook Intelligence-Links


Looks like a criminal conspiracy to me. Since it's the American government, however, they get away with it. But seeing this, I can only urge everyone to boycot facebook.


i lol'd at this vid on facebook... and i lol'd at the reaction of people on this forum about that vid! are people really so dumb as to not realise this stuff goes on??

i guess people THINK that if they make a facebook profile with their name and email address, the CIA and corporate companies will magically know their social security number, full bank account details, sexual deficiencies, plus any and every thought you may have ever had that could be considered non Politically Correct(non-PC). THIS ISNT SO!

yes they cross reference from other sources but they can only know what you tell them. and seriously if you are not surfing the web with sufficient up to date virus software and anti-malware/spyware software then ur a complete fool and should expect your emails to be hacked, your digital identity to be stolen and your bank accounts to be drained of funds illegally.


The measure of success, with regard to Facebook gathering information about you, which you did not yourself provide, could perhaps be said to be somewhat limited; but the intent to do so is downright disturbing. Especially when goverment agencies lile CIA and FBI are involved. It's one thing that Facebook reads your private communication, so they can tailer-push ads on you. But a whole social network, backed and funded by US government agencies, apparently created for the sole purpose of gathering intel on people, well, that's a criminal conspiracy in my book.

Did I not realize this was going on? No, actually. I knew it was bad; but this is downright unacceptable. Funny you should mention 'going on,' btw, as the latter, of course, is something we can do something about. Namely, by not using Facebook; and to urge others to do the same.

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.01.05 23:22:00 - [104]
 

Not wanting to get in the middle of a rather entertaining argument, helpfully keeping this thread nice and visible, but... While I personally dislike Facebook (as do many others as demonstrated here) this is not a referendum on the merits of Facebook per say. Claiming it is a spying tool for the CIA whether true or not is not giving us the credability I was aiming for.

I, as a subscription paying customer of CCP simply want to be able to participate in an eve related competition without having to join any third party website good or bad. The fact that many people have a deep and well founded dislike of Facebook just adds insult to injury.

I don't care why CCP decided to host the vote on Facebook. I don't care if it’s a publicity exercise in getting more customers, or they are just too lazy to code their own voting mechanism... Whatever their reason, I believe that not giving us the option of using in house voting without having to join a third party website is wrong.
I created this thread to convey this opinion to CCP and see if anyone else agreed.
I am deeply gratified that not only do a good number of people agree but are prepared to take the time to post in this thread in support.

Given that I would like to suggest that CCP
A) Responds to explain themselves, and
B) Gives us the ability to vote on the many well designed spaceships their customers have spent many hours on producing without having to join Facebook (preferably with an extension to the voting period to allow for the time they take to rectify this oversight).

I don't expect to get either of those so I hope that you will all continue to support this thread till they do.

Deperem Mac
Amarr
Amarr Space Purification

Posted - 2011.01.06 00:12:00 - [105]
 

I 100% agree with the OP. Forcing us to use facebook was a bad, and actually rather insulting, move, in my opinion.Confused

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.06 00:33:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
Originally by: Windjammer

Subscriber’s to EVE, current customers of CCP, pay for EVE. They pay with the expectation that they will have access to everything in EVE without further requirements from CCP.

-Windjammer



firstly, how about you dont bold and underline a personal opinion of the state of all eve's subscribers assumptions unless you've polled such a thing and linked it with proper citation. ESPECIALLY when its done in such a way as to appear like a proven fact!
How about I post the way I choose, you refrain from directing me and generally cool your jets. You seem to be getting a little excited.

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
i would love access to eve onlines source-code but i dont think im gonna get it!
You don’t need source code to discern common sense.

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
secondly, thats all fair and well in a fair and just world where every1 is truthfull and mindfull of everyone else... but look around you... millions's die for no reason at all... billions are taken advantage of because they can be, and most arent even aware of these because they dont enter our daily lives. if u wanna complain to CCP about doing things you didnt expect them to do and find out that you cannot bring them to account, then i suggest you take a look at yourself at how trusting u are to EULA's u blindly accept.
You’re arguing rights under the law. I’m arguing ethics and customer relations/public relations. Your argument is that people are taken advantage of and as long as it’s legal, it’s okay. Or if you can get away with it, it’s okay. Given that, I can understand why you’re having difficulty understanding peoples objection to Facebook or what CCP has done here with Facebook.

I’m not arguing rights or law. If CCP wanted to hold the votes for the CSM entirely and exclusively on Facebook, they could do it. It’s their right and it would be legal. If CCP wanted to charge for each expansion, they could do it. It’s their right and it would be legal. Why don’t they do these things? The first is not that large a stretch. The second isn’t such a large stretch when you consider how they make such big deal out of the expansions being free. The answer is simple. Customer feedback would be negative and of large volume.

CCP wants feedback from customers. They’ve publicly stated it any number of times. We’re customers and this is our feedback.

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
but of course u can always use the scapegoat of being part of a society annoyed at long teadious "terms of agreement" that always find their ways into software installations, and the compultion to ignore it and just click "accept".


assumption is the mother of all f**k ups, and it seems that you're very much hurting from disregarding that fact.
Seems you’re the one making assumptions and fairly careless ones at that.

-Windjammer

Yabba Addict
Posted - 2011.01.06 01:53:00 - [107]
 

signed

Neti Keire
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2011.01.06 02:28:00 - [108]
 


TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2011.01.06 05:13:00 - [109]
 

We (CSM5) argued against this facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for facebook right now.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.06 05:22:00 - [110]
 

More info is needed on this subject before there's any reason to oppose this decision.

The main piece of info I need is whether or not they use a facebook app for voting that accesses your data. I specifically avoid any apps on facebook that does this for obvious reasons, and if it was like this, then I would understand completely.

Otherwise, if it's just using facebook to join a group or click "like" on some subject, then it's not that big of a deal imo...

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.06 05:50:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: TeaDaze
We (CSM5) argued against this facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for facebook right now.
Good to know. Thank you for the information.

Best regards,
Windjammer

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.01.06 06:56:00 - [112]
 

Trying to get advertisement for free on the expanse of the EVE community? Baaaad idea.

Qolde
Minmatar
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.01.06 07:23:00 - [113]
 


cerberus 01
Posted - 2011.01.06 07:40:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: TeaDaze
We (CSM5) argued against this facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for facebook right now.


my condolences then, i have dealt with marketing departments before and have found they can be very frustrating to deal with, so focussed on new gimicks and yet blind to current customers.

if they think forcing eve players to sign up to other companies software is a good idea to drum up attention, they should just go all the way and require eve players to sign up for wow trial accounts in order to vote for eve content, then maybe 10 million new people will get introduced to eve, might sound good to the marketing dept on paper but sounds rediculous to many of us.

no i wouldn't roll a fake blood elf in order to vote then not touch it ever again, and not a fake facebook entitiy either.




Clementina
The Scope

Posted - 2011.01.06 10:01:00 - [115]
 

I have no interest in interacting with facebook for any particular thing. The voting should be through the Eve Online website, or even better, the game client.

Kolimara
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.06 11:10:00 - [116]
 

Quote:
I use FB and I have no plans to vote through FB.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.06 11:11:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Soden Rah
Not wanting to get in the middle of a rather entertaining argument, helpfully keeping this thread nice and visible, but... While I personally dislike Facebook (as do many others as demonstrated here) this is not a referendum on the merits of Facebook per say. Claiming it is a spying tool for the CIA whether true or not is not giving us the credability I was aiming for.

Well, it's not 'us' who need the credibility, but the voting system. And right now, I say Facebook has none. In that light I say the topic of Facebook's trustworthiness is more than relevant.

As has been said before, CCP should of course have used EVE Gate, or another in-game voting mechanism. If for nothing else, because it would have allowed only EVE subscribers to vote. But, as the guy from CSM divulged, choosing Facebook was a commercially motivated decision; and greed has a tendency to take the place of common sense.

Dasola
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.01.06 12:21:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Kolimara
Quote:
I use FB and I have no plans to vote through FB.


GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.06 13:37:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: TeaDaze
We (CSM5) argued against this facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for facebook right now.


As with my original post on this thread, even before a CSM came on and told u i was correct about this, its a marketing strategy to increase eve onlines visibility to non eve-players. and yet again Windjammer your remarks fall short of the obvious point of this strategy so give it a rest.

in actual fact it was you who started the whole assumption fiasco when u wrongly accused me of being a CCP staff member, waaaay wrong m8! unlucky!
plus talking as if you're feeling wronged in some way because u need to sign up to a random free website to take part in a vote on artwork that wont see the light of day in eve for a hell of a long time, if not ever!

ive voted and made a fake facebook profile and you want to know why? not because i particularly want to see any of those ships in eve, and not so i can have a small temper tantrum when it doesnt happen, then threaten CCP with cancelling my million or so subscriptions. But because i appreciate the time taken by all of those guys and girls who spent cumulative hours that im sure turned to days creating their own 3d masterpieces.

i personally feel that spending 15 minutes or less making a fake facebook profile, liking eve's facebook group and voting for 3 ship designs i like best shows respect and credit where credits due on good honest hard and skillfull work, regardless of CCP's inability to respect their player base.
to me this is about appreciating the content creators in this contest not using it as a massive workhorse to say f**k you CCP.

bt thats just me!

Nader Bombsalot
Posted - 2011.01.06 14:11:00 - [120]
 

Unequivocally yes.


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