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Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.31 15:14:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Anne Arqui on 31/12/2010 20:53:07

So CCP decided it was about time to do something with their 2006 (?) plan to enable the EVE capsuleers to "walk in stations". The first step was - afaik - taking the World of Darkness character editor and use it for EVE. So far so good, if it works, it works doesn't it?

There has risen quite a lot of concerns among the community during the last few installments of the editor, though. If you read the feedback threads but also threads like these, these and this - and this and this assembly hall proposal it's clear the part of the EVE community that tested the editor isn't 100% happy with the changes.

Basically there's three issues:
1) the new editor looks great but the options are very limited, even more limited than in the old editor. Although more clothes are said to be added later, things like having "all the same height" (probably men taller than women), the removal of a lot of favourite hairstyles (like mine or the long sleek Achura/Khanid style), skin tones (no pale options), hair colour options per bloodline (like Sebiestor can't have blonde hair anymore) and tattoos does raise some eyebrows to say the least.
2) A number of features seem to be bugged. Like the effect of primary/secondary haircolours seems to be random for each hairstyle. Some long hair options really clip a lot and go straight through the face. Tails don't seem to be attached to the head.
Also the age and body weight effects still don't really work very well.
3) a number of bloodlines (most noticably Vherokior but also Khanid) have changed to another race. This will making a new character that even remotely resembles the old one impossible. Effectively CCP forces some people into a totally different look, which most players don't want at all.

Next to that there's some questions:
a) are there plans to add more options (expressions, hairstyles, hair colours) will we be able to remake our characters once more options are available? For plex or for free?
b) does CCP have any plans to enable a change of bloodline, rather than a portrait swap (which has to be within the same race/bloodline) ? Either for plex or for free?
c) will we be able to save our "work in progress" while remaking the characters? The new editor produces very nice results but the interface isn't always that intuitive and people may want to take their time for the remake.

As said before, these concerns and ideas have been already posted in a lot of threads but feedback from either CCP or CSM has been minimal thus far. And that while the ETA for the new editor is within 3 weeks! I know the community hasnŽt been very noisy about this thus far, but I think weŽll get a lot of very angry players once this is released as it is om Sisi atm!!

Corian Teranos
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Preatoriani
Posted - 2010.12.31 21:16:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Corian Teranos on 31/12/2010 21:23:03
i for one will be crushed if i cannot make my new avatar look like my current one. each character is an extension of the player and to be honest i may form a class action if they really **** up.

but to be honest i have a feeling in a universe as vast and wel conected as eve there will be alot of inter racial and inter blodline marrages so it is actually unrealistic to restrict traits specifically to each race or bloodline because said genetic traits will undoubtly have cross contaminated.

players have the right to make a unique and personal avatar and ccp is wrong to bind players to their own views of appearance and bloodline especially in a universe with really good plastic surgens.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.01 02:24:00 - [3]
 

Also I want to be able to put blue ribbon's in my pony's hair, the red ribbons simply won't do.

Max Kolonko
Caldari
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.01 14:14:00 - [4]
 

And I want my char to have nose in place of mouth, and ribbons coming out of ears, plus of course be able to dress my male char in female victorian age dress.

/sarcasm off

guys, give it time. Its not released yet. Its really good looking. You may not be able to create 100% match with your old avatar, but still - if you sit to it, you can get really close.

As for the clothes and hairstyles?
I guess we will be able to buy more types In-Game SOON, or maybe some player made will be an option or avaible as micro-transactions items?

The "basic Sample" avaible for everyone during character creation will be just for tease :)

Atra Hasis
Posted - 2011.01.01 20:19:00 - [5]
 

I wouldn't worry too much about the system as it is now. Remember it is only on SiSi, which means it is still more or less beta. What you see on sisi is unlikely t be the final product.

Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
Posted - 2011.01.01 22:18:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Anne Arqui on 01/01/2011 23:48:41
Originally by: Atra Hasis
I wouldn't worry too much about the system as it is now. Remember it is only on SiSi, which means it is still more or less beta. What you see on sisi is unlikely t be the final product.

Well it's the lack of communication that worries me. While some of these issues have already been mentioned in october 2010, it's been systematically ignored thus far. And with Incursions III on our doorstep and the same things still in part 4 of the creator I find it legitimate to express my concern.

There's no indication whatsoever that these points are even being noticed by CCP (or the CSM what that's concerned), let alone that they're taking them into consideration. I do hope we do get some feedback from either, I really wonŽt like it if they release the editor as is and start working on the playerŽs issues "somewhere down the road".

It's a questionable way of doing things, releasing things bugged and incomplete and without functions and options the previous version had and then start thinking about fixing them - if at all - when you knew a lot of issues beforehand.

Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Posted - 2011.01.02 07:41:00 - [7]
 

Considering the whole New Eden background stuff the limited options currently are seriously weak. Not even speaking about some deep-immersion RPG concerns (which I don't have) here. But seriously...

Quote:
[...]
skin tones (no pale options)
[...]


WTF CCP? For pod pilots who spend the majority of their time in some goo that is NOT tanning lotion to my knowledge? Don't tell me by genetic engineering all humans now have a natural tan (why they'd even want it...)? Serious brainfart, this... ugh

Quote:
[...]
hair colour options per bloodline (like Sebiestor can't have blonde hair anymore)
[...]


Yeah, noone ever can change their hair color in New Eden, right... I mean, restricting unecessarily stuff like that... what kind of reasoning is behind that? Such a basic thing as hair color choices... it's not like we have a medieval setting MMO here, CCP, do we?

Quote:
[...]
a number of bloodlines (most noticably Vherokior but also Khanid) have changed to another race
[...]


And how is this supposed to be a merely cosmetic change? These days it does not determine your start in the EVEverse any more which race/bloodline you pick and what skills you start with, true. But this should not really be a justification to simply eliminate a couple of those. I mean, if I had wanted to look like "Mr. Achura Centerfold", I could have picked it at char creation back in the day. I think this is seriously limiting identfication patterns with the character and thus not a good move in terms of customer content.

And yes, this are all "minor" points in the great scheme of things (none impacting the spaceship flying by itself), but the trend is simply wrong. If CCP gimps as simple a thing as a continuity of the look of the avatar some people have been rolling for years with... And I'm not talking about some minor change in nose angle or something. It's basically looking like some avatars will be totally impossible to even remotely being recreated. It can hardly be a technical issue, it's not like development has backpedaled on this, has it? at least they should keep the same detail/options level as it used to be, not step back to a mid-last decade level of char/avatar design. ugh

Corian Teranos
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Preatoriani
Posted - 2011.01.02 19:31:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Corian Teranos on 02/01/2011 19:31:47
i just tested the new creator and came up with somthing that looks like a mutated gengas kahn with down syndrome. not to mention the complete lack of black or really dark brown hair

biggest issue is that facial decorations are missing the funky gallente visors. the amarrian viels. the caldari metal plates. replaced with .... brutor sun glasses ??? what the **** ccp give us back our ... i cant belive i am saying this *shudder* GIVE US BACK OUR BLING




Fuyu'no Kiri
Beauvoir-Bourdieu
Posted - 2011.01.18 16:29:00 - [9]
 

Bump, because of this post:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1450034&page=2

Especially this part:

Quote:
Any thing about incanra is apparently top secret.
an expansion coming out in SIX MONTHS, is under NDA.


And, related to the OP here: can CSM give any answer (or either state that they can't) please?

Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Posted - 2011.01.18 21:53:00 - [10]
 

Well, three cheers for the new char creator. ugh Way to screw up another expansion despite the warnings/misgivings you got in advance, CCP. Considering how there are some gripes/complaints about lack of diversity and race/bloodline specifics over the forums... exactly as stated in advance to you... makes one wonder why one should even remotely bother to try to bring stuff to CCP's attention. Not like they'd care anyway... Rolling Eyes

/me hangs back and waits for yet another "patch to fix the patch". Laughing

Don Dinero
Posted - 2011.01.19 19:27:00 - [11]
 

The character creator doesn't lack diversity. People just makes the same archetypal characters over and over again.

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2011.01.20 20:43:00 - [12]
 

The creator is hands down the best morphing creator I've ever seen. It's easy to use and understand. That said there is some bad points.


1) Total lack of "head gear" Why is it some races can have glasses and others can't! Why are there no "hats", crowns, and really simple items like nose rings, ear rings, piercings etc.

2) Facial Structure limited to race???!?!?? Are you kidding me. Take a look at my picture. That nose is the smallest I could make it. Yet other races can pretty much elimination the nose down to a little tiny button.

3) Clothing I'm not too concerned about, can't expect to have a full wardrobe of stuff but there IS a wardrobe.. Why is some races able to have a leather looking black jacket. Yet others can't. These is something I consider a poor oversight. The end result is everyone from that race is walking around in next to identical clothing. Just open up the clothing for everyone.. If want to wear a male shirt I should be able to.. if I want to put Minmatar pants I can.

The Amarrian female was ROYALLY screwed because the bone structure is very "male" structures. Deeper inset smaller eyes, larger nose and bridge. It's like they accentually put a male nose structure on it. The second part is the HORRIBLE HORRIBLE clothing choices for an Amarrian... The "Outer" and "Bottoms" specialty clothing options are ugly!

Believe it not, my Character looked DAMN good without pants on but had the long Amarrian outer coat on. Looked like a dress. You couldn't accept that though because YOU HAD TO HAVE PANTS!! Which is stupid! because the "Outer" top is long enough the "skirt" section comes down to just above the knees.. There is NO NEED to have pants on, and it's not like you'll be running around half naked, the dress did a fine job covering up the crutch area..

Shoes.. Why MUST you have shoes.. The "ugly baggy" pants the Amarrian female has looked beyond ******ation when you put any shoes on.. It looked 10000% better with no shoes.

The fixes are simple and can allow a much more dynamic creation platform.


1) Allow all characters access to ALL facial and bones structures. I don't want to look like a bobble head because my body bone structure is thin, yet my head is like a man head. Give everyone complete access to all body and face bone structures, then allow you to manipulate the bones/muscles within their limitations.

2) Give everyone every bit of clothing, accessories, makeup, hair, eyebrows. There is no reason why I can't as an Amarrian have glasses..

It shouldn't be limited in any way, save yourself the time and effort CCP. Open up the clothing, facial and body structures so anyone any race any bloodline can use them. That way when you want to try and suck $15 out of people in six months you only need to develop/release a few new added clothing and structures instead of 1 or 2 for each race..

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2011.01.20 20:58:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Anne Arqui
Lack of skin tones (no pale options)


There is but you must not have it.. There is an Amarrian female skin tone that I call :Totally void of sunlight: lol

In fact, most of the skin tones the Amarrian's have are "pale" apart from the one I chose which kind of "orange" like a bad beach spray on tan... Laughing

If Amarrs didn't have TURD Colored clothing, they could have an AWESOME EMO character, black hair, pale white pasty skin coloring, Dark make-up. Too bad the clothing options are completely devoid of anything black..

On the upside. You can create an incredible albino with Amarr LOL

Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Posted - 2011.01.20 23:26:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Dlardrageth on 20/01/2011 23:26:56
Originally by: SencneS
[...]
If Amarrs didn't have TURD Colored clothing, they could have an AWESOME EMO character, black hair, pale white pasty skin coloring, Dark make-up. Too bad the clothing options are completely devoid of anything black..

On the upside. You can create an incredible albino with Amarr LOL


Try a Khanid male then which falls under "Greater Amarr" as well. Takes quite some effort to NOT look like some future clone of Genghis Khan. Razz And you end up with something like Adolf Hiller (misspelled on purpose) with a nice tan, yay... ugh

I think the majority of players will agree that the CC in itself is a really nice addition to the game, just some of its options need a fair bit of tweaking still. Sadly we lack a single, central place to pool all the feedback from the playerbase on it.

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.01.21 18:39:00 - [15]
 

Go play Barbie.

Eve is about Spaceships.

Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Posted - 2011.01.22 03:18:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Magnus Orin
Go play Barbie.

Eve is about Spaceships.


Oh duh... and here I was thinking it is about your sorry butt being kicked out of Geminate... Rolling Eyes


 

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