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Imagonem
Black Bag Ops
Posted - 2010.12.27 14:04:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Imagonem on 27/12/2010 14:20:12
Edited by: Imagonem on 27/12/2010 14:18:39
I've been in lowsec now for awhile here. And we have some troubles with a small corp using fast align tengus(not covert cloaking to sofar seen) and cloakwarp battleships. After abit of debate about thoose non blinkys, they take good care to stay unblinky for more then 15 minutes at a time...
We wardec them to be able to get at their ships at gates, we are not blinky either but we've taken an interest in going for thoose bastards that are making our life sour. Our only hope of achiving tackling on gates, where they are the most vulnerable is made into nothing by their fast align t3s or going for a decloak on a bs with an interceptor isnt viable since the ceptor will be fried by gateguns.
Our reasoning being, a wardec will enable us to get at them with small ships and hence get them locked down and maybe inflict some good losses on their side.

They all drop corp for npc corp.
The corp is now closed. They are still managing everything as if they were a corp qouting from memory 'we are just using a channel now for text'
The differnce is now we cannot engage them with small ships and they can just stick in their fricking closed channel and keep working as a group/corp without enabling us to strike at them, they are very good and patient with scouts. offgrid tacklers onto gate was our only current hope to achive something, should we camp a gate with a stiletto and an osprey to keep the stiletto alive and draw gateguns, you betya they aint gonna jumpin so we must stay off the gate till they come. Sofar they ignored any lonely af/ceptor on a gate when their scout has jumped through and seen just a tiny ship knowing full well it cant do nothing, so offgrid stilleto aligned, wait for scout to make sure gate is clear, warp to gate when local goes up with the right name was our thinking... Then we can always decloak a bs or two or warp from further away, we also have a falcon to keep the stiletto from being killed if it achives tackle.
The most irritating fracker is the cloak warp 1400mm wielding machariel, it aligns so fast it seems like we have no chance to decloak it before its up to speed and aligned and goes into warp, we tried getting a stabber and some bs ontop of it by stabber mwding towards his location, but to slow I guess that ship snagged would look good =( Also bloody t3s with agility subsystem, we had a trippel(Edit: trippel sensor booster) with three lockspeed rigs celestis trying to lock them before they warp but alas, no luck. So fast they are into warp.

I have trouble remembering if dropping corp to avoid the other guys to get at you is petitionable. they've just made our effort to get at them into meaning nothing thx npc corp. How are we to fight when we cannot utilize the ships needed for the job? I'am quite sure some ingenius person will comeup with cloaky 1400mm fitted panthers to snipe them when they engage us, eg we lay trap. They are, we accept that, realy good at smelling traps and gtfo(gangboost claymore at a pos, no, we dont have the manpower to get at that Edit: And claymore/pos is in a corp of its own but they utilize it =(, never seen the claymore pilot be anywhere but at the pos so no idea wardecing that 1 man corp :() we dont have alot of high sp can do it all players at our disposal but we want to get at them, they use insta undocks and don't warp to station, they warp to a bookmark well inside station dockranges so our attempt to camp with two maelstroms and snipe them as they comein to dock just incase they would land ~500m off and take an extra second or two to dock isnt doable either =(

Please, any ideas on how to go about kicking thoose people in the nuts would be appreciated -_-



Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.12.27 14:20:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Lady Spank on 27/12/2010 14:22:53
You don't need to wardec them but you will obviously need to consider how to tackle these people on a gate.

The answer is (annoyingly in my opinion) really simple. You need RSB and RR on a lachesis to catch the fast aligners and you can still use interceptors to decloak the battleships without using the inties to actually tackle.

If the Tengu's are using interdiction nullification then you need a remote boosted HIC with infini point, nothing else will stop them.

Instalocking gatecamps are almost as annoying as ecm, from the perspective of a soloer Embarassed

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2010.12.27 14:33:00 - [3]
 

OP says lowsec, so nullifier sub is academic.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.12.27 14:45:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Durzel
OP says lowsec, so nullifier sub is academic.


Unless I'm being terrible the nullifier sub isn't just for escaping bubbles yeah.

Spruillo
Gallente
Spruillo Corp
Posted - 2010.12.27 14:47:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Spruillo on 27/12/2010 15:07:04
Edited by: Spruillo on 27/12/2010 15:04:05


Im starting to like these ppl




Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Durzel
OP says lowsec, so nullifier sub is academic.


Unless I'm being terrible the nullifier sub isn't just for escaping bubbles yeah.



Agility bonus per sub. lv

If theyr smart they also travel pvp/ecm fit and switch out instation for mission/plex so you might have a surprise on your hands if you did catch them since obviously your incompetant in the first place, a t3 can pack a punch as a matter of fact if theyr not cov ops fit(which is kinda dumb on their part for moving such an expensive ship) you can bet theyr dps fit
I mopped the floor with gankers that thought they could scram/jam my t3 and hold it for reinforcements I was pve fit, so they both warped off, but it was in hull and I was unscratched
The fuel catalyst propulsion sub. is beast too, with a gistum AB, when they burn up to your tackle latchesis and shoot it in the face





Jack Dant
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.27 16:30:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Imagonem
Sofar they ignored any lonely af/ceptor on a gate when their scout has jumped through and seen just a tiny ship knowing full well it cant do nothing

You can get 20k ehp out of a buffered vengeance with 2 sebos and long point, or half that from a malediction or punisher. That might last long enough under sentries for something else to land and get tackle.

NumYumz
Posted - 2010.12.27 18:07:00 - [7]
 

what you need is a heavy dictor pilot with 800+ scan res, you'll catch em, trust me

hmmv50cal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.28 06:06:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Durzel
OP says lowsec, so nullifier sub is academic.


Unless I'm being terrible the nullifier sub isn't just for escaping bubbles yeah.


Following these reports, rumors spread that other groups began to discover and implement this extraordinary new technology, and yet of all the factions that leapt upon the opportunity, none were so eager or ruthless in their own race to capitalize as the independent capsuleer and pirate organizations that make the nullsec frontiers their home.

Subsystem Skill Bonus:
5% increased agility per level

Role Bonus:
Immunity to non-targeted interdiction

"non-targeted interdiction" I believe is the key phrase here, unless you mean the agility bonus (there are much better subs with agility bonuses). Or I'm being trolled really hard and falling for it.

Spruillo
Gallente
Spruillo Corp
Posted - 2010.12.28 06:48:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: hmmv50cal
(there are much better subs with agility bonuses).


Yeah like the i-stab subsystem or the nanofiber internal subsystem

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.12.28 07:25:00 - [10]
 

I would sacrifice an intercept to tackle a t3 on a low sec gate any day. It will buy your heavier tackle ships enough time to lock him before the ceptor dies.

Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.28 13:03:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: NumYumz
what you need is a heavy dictor pilot with 800+ scan res, you'll catch em, trust me


He speaks the truth.. Such a scan res is possible as you only cant get boosted when you power up the bubble (focused or otherwise, although you don't need to lock with unfocused so its kinda pointless)

Also, when did this board become 'avoiding gate camps 101'??

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.12.28 13:24:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Durzel
OP says lowsec, so nullifier sub is academic.


Unless I'm being terrible the nullifier sub isn't just for escaping bubbles yeah.

yes it is.

it also lacks slots, has terrible base agility and isn't that fast either.

besides that, a noobship with a 1pointer can warpjam it, provided it has no warpstabs on it's own. just don't try to bubble it.

Syllein
Posted - 2010.12.28 22:00:00 - [13]
 

Double sensor boosted (with scripts ofc.) Devoter= scan res over 800+ Enough tank to laugh at a tengu assuming your DPS pilots are up to the job.

And if your 'ceptor pilots are not up for sacrificing themselves to get a T3 kill.....well, not much to say except find better 'ceptor pilotsRazz (nice not caring a damn about kill-board stats tbhWink) Assuming you don't just use them as de-cloakers for the main tackle (the afore-mentioned sensor boosted Devoter?)

You can use any Hic tbh, I just like devoters for camp work. Broadsword if I actually want to bring some DPS (hah) to the fight as well.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.12.28 22:59:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Syllein
You can use any Hic tbh, I just like devoters for camp work. Broadsword if I actually want to bring some DPS (hah) to the fight as well.


wouldn't the phobos be better for said work since it has 4 meds, thus you can shovel a web or a cap booster there for extra stuffs?

Syllein
Posted - 2010.12.29 01:20:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Syllein on 29/12/2010 01:21:14
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Syllein
You can use any Hic tbh, I just like devoters for camp work. Broadsword if I actually want to bring some DPS (hah) to the fight as well.


wouldn't the phobos be better for said work since it has 4 meds, thus you can shovel a web or a cap booster there for extra stuffs?


Possibly, but I don't fly Phobos atm. I just like the devoter for the tank and scan res. Webbing is not my problem, cap has yet to be an issue and Generally I'm gettting some remote sensor boosting from gang as well. I'll have to try the phobos out at some point, my corp-mate swears by his for solo (and that's what I use the broadsword for mostly).

Soldarius
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2010.12.29 03:10:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Soldarius on 29/12/2010 03:11:28
Since interdiction nullifier only negates bubbles, which can only be deployed in nul, and OP stated this is low-sec, I seriously doubt they are fitted on those Tengus.

I'm surprised you're having trouble locking and tackling them. Just stick an inty Ab'ing around the gate at close range (500m) with a long point. Any ship that comes through will be in range. With the point pre-running (clicked and blinking without a target locked), you should be able to tackle them unless they are stabbed out. The interceptor should be able to speed tank the gate guns long enough for heavy tackle to arrive (HICs with focused infini-points), which most certainly can tank the guns. If you don't want to lose the more expensive T2 ship, just use the T1 variant.

Next wave should be your dps ships, whether drakes, HACs, sniper BS, or whatever your prefered method of bbq pwnage happens to be. If you are going to bring ECM, I recommend long range stuff (150km+), or a fast and cheap ECM frigate (Griffin) to avoid getting fried by the guns.

As far as dropping corp to avoid war-decs, it is perfectly legal and a standard practice.

Teck Nine
Posted - 2010.12.29 03:20:00 - [17]
 

You can't '' make '' people go into low sec/null sec/wh space. they will go into those spaces if they want to.

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.12.29 03:33:00 - [18]
 

Pirate tears > Carebear tears

c/d?

Flight Instructor
Posted - 2010.12.29 08:53:00 - [19]
 

For low SP gang your gonna need a T1 BC, T2 fit ie Harby.

lows:
2 x signal amp II the rest tank

Meds:

2 x Sensor booster II with scripts 1 x domination warp disruptor 1 x mwd

highs:

DMG mods and Nuets

Rigs:

3 x Targeting Systems Subcontrollers I

This will tank the gate guns long enough for the DPS ships to arrive, but dont have them very far from the gate. Make sure you get a couple of RRs on the harby while your getting more points on the mark. So it can align and get away from the guns.

With my skills the scan resolution is over 1200mm, which is more than enough to catch those T3s and machs.

The best thing about it is that the scout will think that the harby cannot catch anything.

Oh and a side note dont put webs on your prey until they are pointed and be sure the harby pilot has turned off those dumb warning notes that appear before you aggress someone and always over heat the mids and turn on the disruptor so that it engages as soon as the harby gets the lock.

Happy hunting.

Storm Tr00per
Posted - 2010.12.29 09:43:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Storm Tr00per on 29/12/2010 09:43:02
lemme understand this ...

- so they`re smarter than you and faster than you
- they`re weaker than you as a whole because you could break their corp , but you don`t allow them to grow and enjoy later a better fight . What happened , one of you got ****d in 1v1 by a frigate and you swore revenge for eternity ?
- you`re just a bunch of gate campers who are really mad when targets escape and show you the middle finger . Show us more tears please Embarassed

All being said , i`m rating your post as 3/10 because i`m feeling generous

Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.29 10:39:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Teck Nine
You can't '' make '' people go into low sec/null sec/wh space. they will go into those spaces if they want to.


Replying to just the title and what you assume is the post is pro.. Possibly a little too pro for you.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.12.29 10:52:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Teck Nine
You can't '' make '' people go into low sec/null sec/wh space. they will go into those spaces if they want to.


Replying to just the title and what you assume is the post is pro.. Possibly a little too pro for you.



Confirming you never do this.

Master Flakattack
Posted - 2010.12.29 15:47:00 - [23]
 

Sounds like you're totally outclassed. These guys have the money and skills to beat you hard. Consider yourself lucky they aren't sneaking around ganking you.

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2010.12.29 16:59:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Soldarius
The interceptor should be able to speed tank the gate guns long enough for heavy tackle to arrive (HICs with focused infini-points), which most certainly can tank the guns.


Nope gate guns got infinite tracking so inties are out. Some AFs OTOH can get 20k+ EHP and nice scan res and hold long enough for heavier tackle to come, hopefully with RR.

Tadeu718
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.12.29 22:54:00 - [25]
 

alright for starters a BC gang sounds like it would work, it sounds like you have numbers on your side. If your trying to catch them on a gate and you dont have fancy tech2-3 ships. double rep myrm with sebo's is a nice fast tackle ship with maybe one or two others remote seboing the myrm. Works well on non regional/celestial gates.

Part 2... Get safes all around the gate. Put one of your m8s in a cloaky with probes. 250+ off the gate. To get away from snipers taking pot shots at you.

Practice that. (Make sure you have some people in fast ships maybe a nano cane or two to add to help tackle...)

One day you can do it in tech2-3 ships an you'll have no problems!

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2010.12.30 00:46:00 - [26]
 

So what are they actually doing with these ships in lowsec? Running missions? Then probe them down and kill them. Or probe their insta-undock and lay in wait. If you can't get them at the stargates, try to get them somewhere else.

Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2010.12.30 01:04:00 - [27]
 

People please. The interdiction Nullifier subsystem does NOT make the ship immune to all NON infinite point scrams/points/etc.

Imagonem
Black Bag Ops
Posted - 2010.12.30 11:27:00 - [28]
 

Thanks for the tips!

Yes, they are smarter and faster then us =)
Gatecamping scum, us? No... we are the friendly guys we will try to get at naughty people with what means necessary, they started this whole thing by probing us down and killing us, we want revenge.
Basicly, they will probe us down kill us in missions, we can't do the same since they use tengus for both missions and to suddenly... explode us.
Hence why we are trying to strike back at their missionships, when they pvp its... above us gearwise. I realize now I posted this in the wrong forum, warfare and tactics would have been better then talking to the guys who enjoys doing what thoose guys do to us heh.

Its easy to see when they mission, even if we can't probe them the wrecks at their location in space speaks 'mission'. Yes yes, we are skilling for mission tengus some of us that are crazy enough to mission in losec, on paper it looks to be alot faster then the usual mission bs, while being safe unless angels tp it.0
We did manage to point a tengu by warping a lach down on the gate from a ss! Sadly, it ab'd back to gate before more webs could get on it, lach had one web, wasnt enough. Crying or Very sad


Think we managed to mark them all inc alts with red to make it easier on us.
But, yeah. Its guerilla warfare, we can't realy cut into their making of isk at any efficient rate and they will simply outrun/outplay us in small engagments. They will win this, or status qou will happen when both sides just go about making isk unhindered. We can always find something more in our league to fight for the explosions then go against an enemy that will sit on a 99% winchance if they show willingness to commit to a fight.

Thanks for the tips sofar to and hopefully, we will prevail =)





Enord Loej
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.12.30 17:15:00 - [29]
 

How are you unable to target a battleship before it cloaks? All you need is a ship with a high scan resolution to target it before it cloaks. You can get an interceptor or hurricane to have over 1000 scan resolution pretty easily.

Wolf Spyder
Posted - 2010.12.30 18:40:00 - [30]
 

I hate it when a corp does that. CCP should fix that issue. The fix would be simple. You can not go to a rookie corp if your corp has been war declaired. Once the war is over, fine go to a rookie corp if you wish. However until then you are stuck in a war. Where you have 3 options. Stay in the station, Don't play the game or use an alt. Another fix would be to allow corps to war declair rookie corps. That would be fun. Considering the number of people in those corps. Most dont lack manpower, and in groups they can be devistating even at entry level.


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