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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.29 09:59:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: 2ool
Edited by: 2ool on 26/12/2010 12:01:56
Edited by: 2ool on 26/12/2010 12:00:49
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Originally by: Terazul
Totally supported. If not race (which should totally be allowed, IMO), then at least bloodlines. They serve only aesthetic purposes now instead of mechanical ones, so there's really no reason for forcing us to deal with whatever we get.


Bold Underline (1) there is actually a large amount of lore in this game and a very active RP element - it is far more then aesthtic for some people.

Bold Underline (2) - whatever we get? You chose your race an your bloodline, so you did not 'get' anything, you 'selected' it. You make it sound random when its not.

And if you bought your character - then you also choise to buy that race and bloodline.

Srsly, the only people who support this bought their characters and want to change stuff because they are unahppy with what they choise to buy. If you want another race, name, bloodline whateve - train one.


Point 1 - Fair enough, I'd agree with that.

Point 2 however - Have you tried the new generator? The point is a lot of us (I) chose our avatars based purely on aesthetics, and with the new generator the look of some bloodlines changes drastically, so that you cannot create anything even remotely like your original look.

For those that RP, we're not asking for a forced change lol, you can keep your current bloodline if it suits you, but those of us the created an avatar for a specific look want to be able to keep it... or at least something close.

p.s. I have never bought any characters. Also posted with the wrong char... should have been Kechanski, doh.


Look, i am unhappy about the whole walking in stations thing to begin with, with the whole mini games in stations and the 9 yards. People inside stations do not contrbute to pvp, and fo me, eve is about pvp (the last embers of it as it becomes facebook online). But people want avatars and constumes and pets and all that crap. . .

Needless to say, I have had this avatar, and have identified people by their avatars for 7 years now. . .this change i am not looking forward to - so the rest of you all have to suck up and take it too and blame the wow playrs or something.

Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2010.12.29 16:26:00 - [62]
 

There's a lot of bloodlines whose options are now restricted beyond what was possible in the old editor.

Either bring them back or allow us a change of bloodline!

Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain

Posted - 2010.12.29 18:22:00 - [63]
 

If we are not able to pick bloodline in new creator at least it should be possible to make your character look similar to old one. For example, it should be obvious that changing look from european to asian or other way around is too remarkable to be acceptable change without option to re-pick bloodline.


Sir Rush
Caldari
Sirrush Holdings And Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.29 20:15:00 - [64]
 

Why the hell not?

Terazul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.29 23:41:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Choosing min-max approach and then wanting to get to live on without the consequences when the opportunity presents itself .. shame on all of you!

Eve is consequence. No "ifs". No "buts". It is the reason it is worth playing for Goddess sake!

So, what, choosing race+bloodline for aesthetic reasons automatically puts others on a higher pedestal than those who chose for mechanical benefits? You realize what you're saying here, right?

Choosing for min/max reasons is as VALID a choice as choosing for aesthetic reasons. The point here is that they removed the mechanical benefit as a choice, meaning it no longer is a choice to begin with, but those of us who chose for that reason are stuck with it even though it is no longer a valid option. I don't much like being forced to stick with an invalid option, thank you very much.

Realize that all other choices we make in the game do not live with us for the rest of our playing lives. Ships can be replaced. Isk can be regained. Race and bloodline, however, cannot be changed, ever, unless you start over from the very beginning.

Originally by: Atius Tirawa

Look, i am unhappy about the whole walking in stations thing to begin with, with the whole mini games in stations and the 9 yards. People inside stations do not contrbute to pvp, and fo me, eve is about pvp (the last embers of it as it becomes facebook online). But people want avatars and constumes and pets and all that crap. . .

Needless to say, I have had this avatar, and have identified people by their avatars for 7 years now. . .this change i am not looking forward to - so the rest of you all have to suck up and take it too and blame the wow playrs or something.

Oh, gawd, this is lulzy. This is just far too lulzy.

I mean, seriously?

This is hilarious. This is the EXACT same argument people had against the removal of learning skills.

"I put up with it, so YOU CAN TOO!"

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2010.12.30 01:19:00 - [66]
 

+1 for optional bloodline change.

If not for Incursion Mk. III, then at least for Incarna.

Some people decided on their bloodline based on looks, others based on starting skills. Both systems have now changed, and we're getting full body avatars.

People deserve a chance to change based on this.

Sahnsa
Posted - 2010.12.30 04:49:00 - [67]
 

Supported. You CANNOT make a Vherokior character look the same in the new creator. It's impossible. I chose my bloodline for aesthetics, and now that aesthetic has been pulled out from under me.

Need bloodline changes.

Aleph Xi
Posted - 2010.12.30 04:50:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Aleph Xi on 30/12/2010 04:50:29
Supporting with my second account.

Avila Cracko
Posted - 2010.12.30 11:32:00 - [69]
 

I support this

Wercheg
Posted - 2010.12.30 21:43:00 - [70]
 

As Vherokior, I can only agree.

Zilberfrid
Posted - 2010.12.30 21:44:00 - [71]
 

Supported

Wiggyjiggyjed
Posted - 2010.12.31 03:31:00 - [72]
 

Supported

Alias 6322A
Posted - 2010.12.31 04:59:00 - [73]
 

So far as I understand (I have not actually tried the character generator yet) the new char creator is like the old one in that a specific set of looks (hairstyles, tattoos, etc) are allowed based on bloodlines and race. While changing race would certainly be off given the nature of skills, I think the option to change blood-lines is much more reasonable.

The people who wish to have more options available don't want a racial change, but they do want all of the options of their race available again as the new creator is similar for some bloodlines and drastically different for others. I agree that it would be unfair if the creator dealt me a specific set of looks that aren't remotely what I liked about my character's bloodline in the ORIGINAL creator.

Detractors of this fail to see that the two creators are very different in many ways. Yes, you need to try it out and see all the options available. However, I imagine there won't be isolated cases of people crying foul that they are being forced (which is the right word) into using a specific set of looks based on a decision made however long ago for an entirely different creator engine.

The option to change your bloodline in order to access all of the features of your race is reasonable and sound. They no longer directly affect game-play mechanics. By giving this option, RP's can choose their old settings and maintain their game-play while more aesthetically driven characters can get their choice as well.

I don't support full racial change. Train a new character in that case, the game never has and hopefully never will have a racial change option. This keeps the races defined and more valuable as an identifying feature of a player.

Inanna Zuni
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.12.31 16:27:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Inanna Zuni on 31/12/2010 16:30:21


+1 (but...)

There are valid reasons to permit such an option, not the least of which is where (RP) a character's history crosses racial lines. I am the daughter of two Matari parants, but I have two half-sisters who aren't. (Mum got around a bit - once with a Gallente, once with a Caldari. What can I say? She was having fun!) and so although lines had to be chosen when creating those characters it would be really great, now that we are moving towards a whole-body experience instead of a little 80px icon, that I can better reflect that history because it now matters where it really didn't before.

I'm less interested in the pure 'change bloodline' as in a 'permit changes from the closed definition it currently allows.

IZ

ps. Tomorrow is my fifth EVE birthday! yay!

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.31 16:37:00 - [75]
 

I had a Gallente toon, the first day I started playing EVE. You know, one of those characters with deep hollow, ogre-like eyes. :P Then I saw a Caldari Achura, and immediately recycled the old one, as the Achura were sooo pretty! :)

So, long story short, yes please, let us choose bloodlines! The more we can choose from, the better!

Mirabi Tiane
Posted - 2011.01.01 08:47:00 - [76]
 

+1

Crazy KSK
Posted - 2011.01.01 23:17:00 - [77]
 

I selected my race entirely on aesthetics not on anything else and as I don't like the new one at all so supported

Neti Keire
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2011.01.01 23:56:00 - [78]
 

Supported.

Considering that our characters are transhuman clone-hoppers anyway, it seems silly that we have to stick to only one racial face.

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.01.02 00:17:00 - [79]
 

I have been playing with the new avatar creator and am probably going to be happy enough with the results to not need this. BUT...

The old avatar's were just static images and the choices we made about appearence only effected a tiny little pic at the side of the screen. And for those who have been around a while the race/bloodline atributes were probably the bigest factor in decideing what race blooodline to go with. As those no longer apply, and for anyone wanting to use incarna the chriteria we would use for choosing bloodline, race, or even gender, are now totally different.

Couple that with the differences in appearence between old and new I think its reasonable to be offered the option to change.

For these and all of the above reasons I support this.

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.01.02 06:36:00 - [80]
 

If nothing else, keep the current bloodline for the "lol your choices have consequences" crowd and let us have plastic surgery to assume the appearance of a new race.

Ruairi iliffe
VALHALLA'S Wrath
True Reign
Posted - 2011.01.04 10:44:00 - [81]
 

Supported

Princess Vera
Posted - 2011.01.04 10:56:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Princess Vera on 04/01/2011 10:56:47
++++++++1

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.01.04 12:54:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Terazul
Choosing for min/max reasons is as VALID a choice as choosing for aesthetic reasons....

Certainly it was, but what this is about is people wanting the cake AND eating it .. no one, not a one, has said so much as a peep until now.
Aesthetics (or lack thereof) is clearly at the very bottom of the list for the people who CHOSE the min/max approach .. since a collective shift of this magnitude in personal preferences is unheard of the only thing that remains is that it is opportunistic garbage and should be treated as such.

You chose to buy a speedy car with room for 1 and now that a car-pool commuter lane is opening up you suddenly want the MPV as it is better at getting where you need to go .. *******s I say.

Kyo Haku
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.01.04 13:28:00 - [84]
 

Supported. Bloodline or race change, please.

Veraxus
Posted - 2011.01.04 15:05:00 - [85]
 

Supported

Bloodlines do not matter anymore, when it comes to game mechanics. Since neural remaps have been enabled, the only factor of choosing specific bloodline is in fact its appearance. Why would the ppl suffer from being ugly?

My main character is Amarr Khanid. I chose this bloodline because it looked imo the best of all 3. Now they are the worst-looking ones. Where is their long, straight hair and cunning gaze, that made them look so evil? After 4 hours spend with the new character creator I can't achieve even a half of that feeling :(

To All those who are against because of roleplay issues: noone will force you to change your bloodline!!! The choices we made in the past should't affect the future in the way we cannot control. When creating our character we accepted the way it looked, and now - noone asks for our permission - we are forced to look as someone else wants us to, opposing to the choice we made the day our character was created.

That's why I think we should all get a free bloodline change

Corian Teranos
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Preatoriani
Posted - 2011.01.04 21:46:00 - [86]
 

it would simply be easier to take into account interracial couples and genetic contamination and just enable all traits in the creator lord knows with how often the races interact by now most genetic traits would have crossed over even if they are recessive. simple heredity.

but change of bloodline would be a close second.

Snowbell
Posted - 2011.01.06 15:31:00 - [87]
 

As all our current appearances are more or less shuffled into new options in the editor, let us shuffle our bloodlines accordingly to find a new "best" portrait that suits our preferences.

I don't see why not.

Hiram Alexander
Caldari
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2011.01.06 18:16:00 - [88]
 


Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Posted - 2011.01.07 11:51:00 - [89]
 

I'll support this for what it's worth.

I'm not a massive fan of having everyone I know suddenly change race/bloodline/gender but seeing how much they have changed for each bloodlines I understand the need for change.
We took our current characters based on the looks we liked, now they have changed some bloodlines so drastically the looks we wanted just can't be achieved any more, so yeah we should be given the option to reassess our new looks.

Terazul
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.07 16:51:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Terazul
Choosing for min/max reasons is as VALID a choice as choosing for aesthetic reasons....

Aesthetics (or lack thereof) is clearly at the very bottom of the list for the people who CHOSE the min/max approach

Complete bull****. The only indication choosing the min/max approach is of is that aesthetics were slightly under the min/max approach in importance. REMEMBER, you could only choose ONE - it was either min/max, or aesthetics. Some people get lucky and get one that coincides with both. That's just luck and has nothing to do with actual decision-making on the player's part (as the given statistics are completely arbitrary in the first place).

I personally chose based on stats because THERE WAS NO RACIAL APPEARANCE PREVIEW. I wasn't even aware that there were differences in appearance between the races. Only NOW, with the new creator, do we actually see the different looks before we can commit (not to mention, again, there are no longer any stats).

Your fatalistic "Clearly you chose one because it was FAR ABOVE THE OTHER" ideal is more indicative of personal issues than anything to do with anyone else's decision-making.


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