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Damien Darkthorne
Posted - 2010.12.26 12:56:00 - [31]
 

You've got my vote for sure-they need to think this one thro VERY carefully or they will lose players for sure-if they can put together such a sophisticated character creator-giving us a bloodline change is simple surely-after all if you guys have been mucking about making & trashing new chars for the hell of it like I have-where on the start screen we choose gender/race/bloodline-surely the simplest thing to do is to treat us is if we're ALL NEW characters, so we ALL re-choose-gender/race/bloodline etc-SEEMPLES!! Most people will want to stay the same I'd imagine-especially if they give us enough options on appearance, but others like myself DEFINATLY would change-all bloodlines are now essentially the same with regard to attributes etc, from the start-new players will be fine, but older players will feel VERY annoyed/frustrated, when we've invested a LOT of time & effort into a particular character, then get ****ed of every time they have to look at a portrait that is simply not the person that know they are if you see what I mean-LISTEN CCP! Please!

Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2010.12.26 13:50:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Damien Darkthorne
You've got my vote for sure-they need to think this one thro VERY carefully or they will lose players for sure-if they can put together such a sophisticated character creator-giving us a bloodline change is simple surely-after all if you guys have been mucking about making & trashing new chars for the hell of it like I have-where on the start screen we choose gender/race/bloodline-surely the simplest thing to do is to treat us is if we're ALL NEW characters, so we ALL re-choose-gender/race/bloodline etc-SEEMPLES!! Most people will want to stay the same I'd imagine-especially if they give us enough options on appearance, but others like myself DEFINATLY would change-all bloodlines are now essentially the same with regard to attributes etc, from the start-new players will be fine, but older players will feel VERY annoyed/frustrated, when we've invested a LOT of time & effort into a particular character, then get ****ed of every time they have to look at a portrait that is simply not the person that know they are if you see what I mean-LISTEN CCP! Please!


not only does your post look like a big brick of text, you also did not select the "I support this idea" button.


/signed

S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2010.12.26 14:04:00 - [33]
 


Saxton Hale
Posted - 2010.12.26 14:31:00 - [34]
 

You're using 'immersion' as an argument to support changing race or bloodline in order to look more l33t? Really?

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile

Posted - 2010.12.26 14:38:00 - [35]
 

supported, and I'd go one step further and suggest not only doing this but allowing the changing of race, gender, and such as well, and, adding in the other races and bloodlines belonging to the various factions. Most people when they first made their character went with the that race/bloodline because of the minmaxing it allowed, and with the addition of neural remaps, and the new player changes. The stats we've chosen are effectively nothing but aesthetics, meaning there's no need to balance all the races against each other and more can just be added. Like, right now Nikita is ethnic Gallente with the miner background, and while she definitely has some Gallente in her, with her upbringing, and backstory, (she's a mutt, and was raised in Curse) it'd make more sense for her to at the very least be Immigrant ancestry perhaps going as far as becoming Sebiestor or Thukker.

Nuhrii
Posted - 2010.12.26 15:13:00 - [36]
 

I support this

Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr
PORSCHE AG
Posted - 2010.12.26 15:25:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 26/12/2010 15:55:59
I am giving support to the idea!!!
this would be great so that we can actualy look like we want to and not like we must to...
ppl who start playing after this expansion can choose how they will look like in future and we older players are stuck with look that design team give us...

I hate new look how this my char will look like after expansion... its one ugly old man look... :/
and i think many ppl feel the same...

there is one old latin saying:
"De gustibus (et coloribus) non est disputandum"
rough ranslation: "There’s no arguing about tastes and colors"

if old latins knew that, what one person like other can hate... we can hate look of char that design team like...

so please let us choose how WE will look


Stegas Tyrano
Posted - 2010.12.26 17:03:00 - [38]
 

Just saw the new character creator and I'm reaaally regretting not being a lady character Sad

The Condemned
Posted - 2010.12.26 17:36:00 - [39]
 


Taliya Valkorva
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.26 18:08:00 - [40]
 

If CCP wants to drastically alter the appearance of our characters, they better damn well give us the option to choose what they look like.

Raven Darkthorne
Posted - 2010.12.26 20:37:00 - [41]
 

Stop sweating so much-well I am at any rate-not sure how they will square this for people with no free char slots-but I read this today on the account management page


Important Information Regarding Character Portraits

EVE Online: Incursion will soon allow players to update their portraits using the new Carbon-based Character Creator. While the paid portrait swap service will remain available for those who still would like to swap a portrait prior to the expansion's release, we strongly recommend waiting for the expansion when such a change can be made free of charge.

If you have not yet seen what the new system has in store, we encourage you to read Torfi's blog, Introducing the Character Creator or to try out this amazing new feature first hand on Singularity, our public Test Server.

Hopefully this means our fears are groundless & our frustrated tears will dry! lol

Jenny Cameron
Caldari
Ordo Eventus
Inception Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.26 20:48:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Raven Darkthorne

Important Information Regarding Character Portraits

Hopefully this means our fears are groundless & our frustrated tears will dry! lol


I donīt see the slightest indication that my suspicion is needless. They just say that swapping `old style` portraits isnīt very good idea now we get new ones very soon.

Not a word on races or bloodlines and not in the threads where these concerns are voiced either; CCP and the CSM seem to ignore the topic thus far.

Artemis Ahab
Caldari
The Inf1dels
SCUM.
Posted - 2010.12.27 00:54:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Artemis Ahab on 27/12/2010 00:54:59
Originally by: Jenny Cameron
Originally by: Raven Darkthorne

Important Information Regarding Character Portraits



I donīt see the slightest indication that my suspicion is needless. They just say that swapping `old style` portraits isnīt very good idea now we get new ones very soon.

Not a word on races or bloodlines and not in the threads where these concerns are voiced either; CCP and the CSM seem to ignore the topic thus far.


Agreed, it's just a warning to people wanting to swap pictures that they'll be creating new ones soon. Nothing to do with changing bloodlines or anything else. RD is just reading too much into it.

Edit: Support

Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.12.27 02:00:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Nikita Alterana
supported, and I'd go one step further and suggest not only doing this but allowing the changing of race, gender, and such as well, and, adding in the other races and bloodlines belonging to the various factions. Most people when they first made their character went with the that race/bloodline because of the minmaxing it allowed, and with the addition of neural remaps, and the new player changes. The stats we've chosen are effectively nothing but aesthetics, meaning there's no need to balance all the races against each other and more can just be added.

Terazul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.27 04:43:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Atius Tirawa

Bold Underline (1) there is actually a large amount of lore in this game and a very active RP element - it is far more then aesthtic for some people.
True enough. However...

Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Bold Underline (2) - whatever we get? You chose your race an your bloodline, so you did not 'get' anything, you 'selected' it. You make it sound random when its not.

What you failed to consider is that, in the past, races and bloodlines had mechanical effects. This has changed. For those of us who chose specifically for the mechanical bonuses and NOT for aesthetic reasons or were unaware that there were such aesthetic differences in creation (something that is and was never mentioned to new players - until now, that is), we have essentially been saddled with a choice that no longer has any meaning in the sense of affecting actual gameplay.

Further complicating things is the simple fact that appearances have changed drastically even within the same bloodlines. What we get now may be completely, entirely different from what we got in the past, and this changes things considerably.

For these reasons, I believe allowing us to change bloodlines (if not race) would not be unwarranted. Everyone's essentially starting over when it comes out anyways, and it's not like there isn't lore to support drastic reconstructive surgery.

Rylos Cenaturi
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.12.27 06:40:00 - [46]
 

I'm in favor of a change in bloodline although it might be a moot point. I believe somewhere down the line plastic surgery pods will be available in the station so you can change your appearance and who knows maybe sex as well.

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.12.27 07:51:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae
"De gustibus (et coloribus) non est disputandum"


Non, post mei loquore, "De gustibus et colum non disputandum est."

Jenny Cameron
Caldari
Ordo Eventus
Inception Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.27 07:59:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Rylos Cenaturi
I'm in favor of a change in bloodline although it might be a moot point. I believe somewhere down the line plastic surgery pods will be available in the station so you can change your appearance and who knows maybe sex as well.

That's the thing. "Somewhere down the line" in CCP's terms may be a 5-year project. The best we've got is "perhaps". It's the same as announcing Incarna in 2006 and see what we have now and how long it took them. Or removing learning skills.

That simply won't do if we're forced into new characters that don't look like want to look at all within 4 weeks. People who are very unhappy with the overhaul don't want to have to walk around in something they can't relate to for years.

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2010.12.27 12:17:00 - [49]
 

Voting against.

You are re-modeling your character. I have re-created Siigari closely enough to look at her and say "Wow, that's Siigari!" You can do it too, if you give it some time.

You state that the problem is that you can't make your character match the way you look now. So you're going to take it one step further and take yourself out of that (pick any) race/bloodline/gender?

No way. CCP keeps rules in place and I really doubt they're going to break the immersion. You are who you are. Make yourself look as good as you can.

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2010.12.27 13:14:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Voting against.

You are re-modeling your character. I have re-created Siigari closely enough to look at her and say "Wow, that's Siigari!" You can do it too, if you give it some time.
...


have you tried Sebiestor or Vherokior? i would be quite impressed if you manage to match looks of old and new.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.27 13:59:00 - [51]
 

I'm really, really halfway about this.

On the one hand, it's a purely cosmetic thing, and bloodline isn't like race; All bloodline seems to influence is which NPC corp you find yourself in, especially given that attributes and such are all basically equal now. Also, some of the bloodline changes really are drastic visually. Heck, I'd consider going Civre myself.

But.. there's more to bloodline than just appearance. There's also the bloodline backstory. If you changed your bloodline, it'd also mean changing your ancestry.. in a way, that makes you a different character entirely. And I'm not really sure that the character creator isn't flexible enough as it is; You may not be able to recreate some of the weirder looking characters, but I don't think you're meant to, and I'm pretty sure that each new model is going to look closer to its old model than any other; I'm also pretty sure nobody looks more like old Deteis than new Deteis. There's also the added oddity of corp standings.

.. Oh, what the hell.

Supported.

Lythara
Perkone
Posted - 2010.12.27 15:23:00 - [52]
 

Absolutely supported. In 2006 I scrapped my original character and made this one Achura because, attribute-wise, it was clearly superior to other options at the time. Please allow us to finally select a character we find pleasing for aesthetic or story related reasons.

Marcus Druallis
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.12.27 16:26:00 - [53]
 

CCP is already forcing us to change our physical identity with incursion. Bloodlines look different than what they used to look like 6 years ago. I don't see why we shouldn't be able to change our bloodline once.

Seraphim000
Gallente
Arkons of Myth
Initiative Associates
Posted - 2010.12.27 18:53:00 - [54]
 

Supported. If you're going to change the bloodlines' appearances enough that our characters are no longer recognizeable, then you may as well let us just switch bloodlines. I don't RP, and place no value on the story elements of my bloodline, so the only value it has to me is aesthetic.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2010.12.27 19:52:00 - [55]
 

Choosing min-max approach and then wanting to get to live on without the consequences when the opportunity presents itself .. shame on all of you!

Eve is consequence. No "ifs". No "buts". It is the reason it is worth playing for Goddess sake!

Supported on one condition, non-negotiable:
Clone vat responsible for the transmorgrification is unable to process the dual-DNA strands correctly and includes a leftover of the old in new.
Example: Matari -> Caldari = Caldari with oddly placed tattoo, dreadlocks, etc.

Blastfizzle
THE R0NIN
Posted - 2010.12.27 20:52:00 - [56]
 

Supported.

Amae Duri
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2010.12.28 04:37:00 - [57]
 

Signed.

Skavirr
Posted - 2010.12.28 23:07:00 - [58]
 


Ytamii Arval
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.12.29 03:12:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Ytamii Arval on 29/12/2010 03:22:43
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Voting against.

You are re-modeling your character. I have re-created Siigari closely enough to look at her and say "Wow, that's Siigari!" You can do it too, if you give it some time.


Nope. No amount of time can create a non-oriental Vherokior.

I vote No.

I am a role player, and will not change bloodlines. If I am no longer allowed the correct racial appearance for this alt, I will scuttle my characters and close my account.

(yes you can have my stuff if i'm forced to leave)

--signed, non-asian Ytamii Arval

Lazarus 2010
Posted - 2010.12.29 08:20:00 - [60]
 

Supported.


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