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michaelws
Posted - 2010.12.24 20:49:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: michaelws on 24/12/2010 20:50:07
I have seen posts referring to these, about keeping your clone up to date and about alts...but...well...need to know where I can find more about them. Thanks

michaelws
Posted - 2010.12.24 21:21:00 - [2]
 

I found out about the skill points clone. But the alt character...is that opening another separate account?

Lutz Major
Posted - 2010.12.24 21:23:00 - [3]
 

You can have three toons per account. Usually one of them is your main character the others are 'alts'.

Your clone - and here I assume, that you are trolling or really, really new to the game - stores a preset amount of skill points. If you have more skill points and get poded you will loose some, because your clone can not hold enough SPs.(Un)fortunately you will not loose all skill points down to the clones level. IIRC only the highest level.
You can always buy a higher clone in any station with cloning support.

Rule #2 in eve: keep your clone up to date!

Sturmwolke
Posted - 2010.12.24 21:33:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Sturmwolke on 24/12/2010 21:40:13
Clone : Your medical clone. The vessel that all your SP will be transferred to if you die i.e. got podded by someone.
It's super critical that it holds > than your current SP, or you will lose some of it when you die.

Alts : EVE is rampant with a single player playing 2 or more characters. These characters can reside on the same account (each account hold 3 characters) or they can reside on a second account (or even more accounts). They're collective called the player's alts. A typical EVE player will run at least two accounts, which will translate into 6 characters in play (usually 1 main, 5 alts ... though the definition of a "main" varies from player to player).

Jump Clone
: Think of it as a spare body that can be placed anywhere in the Eve universe that has cloning facilities. You can jump into this spare body, traversing vast distances in a blink of an eye. It's very useful to have a jump clone at far away places. This spare body will also contain its own implants so that you can have it tailored for a specific role. There are some rules on jumping, but that's getting into the details.

Trawl the official Eve wiki (wiki.eveonline.com) for some basic articles. The search function is atrocious, many articles are haphazardly done, however there are some decent articles in there worth reading.

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2010.12.24 21:36:00 - [5]
 

alts are simply "alternate characters" as opposed to your main or "main character" that you use the most

an alt can be either one of those two extra slots or on a separate account. The Benefit of having one on a separate account is that it can train simultaneously and can be logged in with your main simultaneously as well (duelboxing)

the thing to understand about clones is that your buying the clone thats going into storage. It doesn't effect what you can do with your skills now but its like setting up an insurance plan

jump clones allow you to move to just about anywhere in the universe. When you buy one of these you make a copy of your current body that you can jump into at any time. Just keep in mind that jump clones and medical clones are independent of each other as no matter what JC your in, you always get revived into he same medical clone.

The JCs also can have different sets of implants from each other.

michaelws
Posted - 2010.12.24 22:34:00 - [6]
 

Thanks for all the info on this. I am not trolling...not sure what that means...but am new to Eve...only subscribed on Dec 14th and can only play for short periods of time in the evenings. Almost finished my career advancement tutorials...but have not come across alt characters up to this point.

Thanks again for the info and Merry Xmas and Happy Holidays to all.

io0olilo0oi
Posted - 2010.12.27 00:01:00 - [7]
 

Your many characters (toons, i hate that word but some people use it in place of your character) in the game can be both Mains or Alts or Both.

you could have 1 main mining character that you use when you want to annoys asteroids, and another main PVP character for when you want to explode peoples spaceships. You could have a covert prober alt to probe out your enemies in space and then warp to it with your combat main character.

Sometimes you have alot of stuff to move so you make a 'Hauler Alt' to ferry your crap from place to place.

Some people have alt's that are mains that there main main doesn't even know about. It can become confusing.

Its allays fun to have a character on both sides of a war, or in both sides of faction war to both help and or hinder your teammates on either side. Depending on how you feel that day :)

Eve is a great game for people who like to play many diffrent games at once.

Oro Orr
Posted - 2010.12.27 15:41:00 - [8]
 

Michael, you will not know if you have come across any "alt" characters. well..you have now. I, am an alt :). People don't really post a lot with their alt characters in chat. In my scenario, I use a "main" character to run level 4's, and use this "alt" character specifically for salvaging the missions. A lot of miners out there will use alts for hauling their ore, or some use alts for Planetary Interface. Just depends.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2010.12.27 15:58:00 - [9]
 


Like the poster above I am a trade alt on the same account of my main who is into missioning and... (koff) now running around in a low sec pirate alliance.YARRRR!!

If my main gets war decced, I still can use this alt to do some basic trading/ shopping because it is in an NPC corp, without too much fear of getting shot at in high sec.Wink

Merouk Baas
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.27 16:09:00 - [10]
 

With clones, it's simple: you just need to buy a clone that covers more than your skill points, and you're set. Once you train past how much the clone can hold, buy the next bigger one.

If you die, your clone gets used up and you keep your skillpoints. If you die again before you've had a chance to buy a new clone, then you lose 5% of the difference of skillpoints that's not covered by whatever clone you happened to have when you died.

As far as alts, most people train up one character per account, and there are two reasons why: you can't train skills on more than one at a time, and there are A LOT of skills that are useful for everyone (so you end up training them on all character, which is kind of a waste of time).

People train up alts in order to preserve anonymity - they could have a forum-posting alt, a pirate alt, an "independent" hauling/courier alt, etc.

Once you get high in skillpoints, 60 million or so, you pretty much have the ships you want trained, so there's no point in training more - it just inflates the cost of that clone (it's 13 million per death to keep 60 million SP's), so it may be time to start an alt.

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2010.12.27 17:29:00 - [11]
 

A lot of people even have completely unskilled alts. They're good for checking prices at a far away trade hub (i.e. Jita), or for flying into 0.0 and scouting to see if there are gate camps blocking your way.

General Advice
Mentors Administration
Posted - 2010.12.27 17:30:00 - [12]
 

I hear tell some people use alts just for posting on the forums.

Cyn Dy
Posted - 2010.12.27 22:36:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
A lot of people even have completely unskilled alts. They're good for checking prices at a far away trade hub (i.e. Jita), or for flying into 0.0 and scouting to see if there are gate camps blocking your way.


/posting with an unskilled alt to remenber another use of this kind of character.


Melkath Bandrom
Posted - 2010.12.29 15:27:00 - [14]
 

I have 4 accounts with a total of 9 characters trained and being used. I have 4 miners and 2 Orca support characters. I have 1 missioner, 1 pvp and 1 research/trade/manufacturer character.

The 4 mining toons and 2 Orca support alts each have clones spread ALL over eve. Each one has different implants and skills. They are also in different corporations so if one of my corps happen to get wardecced, I just switch to another mining character in another corp and continue mining as if there was no interruption. It's very handy to be able to sidestep wardecs using multiple characters.

Yes keep ALL your characters medical clones up to date on skill points. If you die and jump into a clone thats not been updated, you lose a lot of SP you trained up.

As you are a newer player, a lot fo this will be over your head but if Eve REALLY takes a hold on you like it did to me, then you'll defnitly need to upgrade...lol

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2010.12.29 16:33:00 - [15]
 


First off - Trolling: Once upon a time on a posting board on a web site far, far away, one of the posters thought it would be funny to ask an outrageous question that all the old people knew the answer to but which the new people didn't. The older people knew the answer so well - that they could tell that the post was a joke. The thing was a lot of new people didn't know it was a joke, took it seriously and started these intense arguments over the post. "Ah Ha! The original poster thought! I've just found a way to mess with other people by getting them to argue over something stupid!" So - what he began doing - was to "Troll" as a fisherman would, casting his bait out upon the forums waters to see who would bite. Then sit back and giggle at how he was wasting these peoples time by getting them to argue over something ridiculous. The older people on the forum thought it was funny too - as they could all tell from the content of the posts that they were absurd - and they enjoyed watching the new people waste their time arguing over nothing.

The key ingredient in the bait - was always something that was sure to bring people out swinging or was so obviously stupid that only a brand new person could possibly have said that - and then - usually not.

In EVE ... you make a post, pretending to be a new player - telling a story (there's always a story) and you complain about your Quest. That will always get people going. EVE has missions - WoW has Quests. EVE is the cool game (you can tell because we are playing it - we being the cool people) and WoW is for losers (you can tell because we are not playing it - we being the cool people).

Other common baits are mixing guns, Whining because their ship got blown up, making arguments like "if CCP doesn't fix this we'll all quit and then who'll play their game(!@!!)", etc., etc. ...

The EVE forums are trolled constantly. If you call someone on being a troll - they will vociferously deny it usually with a "I've got a wife and kid and if you treat new players like this on the forums - we'll all quit and then you won't have a game ...", Then - they get their alts to chime in flaming the person who called them on being a troll - for being a meany picking on new people.

Of course ... the problem is - there is no way any of US can PROVE someone is a troll.

Trolling is actually something you aren't supposed to do but CCP does not police it. THEY know what people's IP addresses are - they could tell that the Trolls were creating new characters and or new accounts while abandoning old ones - but they aren't going to bother.

So ... you end up with people asking questions that are really basic - and getting called a troll - because that is what trolls do.

Veteran players often answer basic questions ... on the off chance that it actually is a new player asking or - if it is a troll - they have asked a question a new player reading that thread might find the answer to useful.

*shrug*


As to the rest ...

There are two kinds of Clones.

1) Medical Clones your conciouness will be downloaded into if you are killed (your pod is destroyed). These clones can accept a certain amount of skill points - so if you have more you need to buy a better clone.

2) Jump Clones - you can move across EVE by jumping into a jump clone and then move back after 24 hours. Here - you often have learning clones that have expensive implants (destroyed if you get podded) and others without implants for PVP.



There are also Two kinds of Alts.

1) Alts that are on the same account - where only one of the potential 3 can be training a skill at a time. Over time though - they can be trained up to perform useful functions - at the expense of the others.

2) Alternate Accounts - where one of these 3 characters can also be training a skill. Alternate accounts can play together at the same time and help each other out in the game. Some people have quite a few accounts.

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Dani WH
Posted - 2010.12.29 18:04:00 - [16]
 

Clones = everytime you die (podded = capsule destroyed), another clone is activated. By default its your home station (in example: todaki, amsen, cistuvaert...) but you can change the location to whatever station there are medical services available in.


Jump Clones = with some skills you can have 2, 3 or more jump clones for several stations around the universe. They are used for jump from one place to the other (like teletransport) also useful for having different implants for each clone. i.e. you have a clone with max implants (expensive) for offline skill training and then another one with combat implants for online time, or another clone with no implants for risky moves.


Alts = the cause and the solution for every EVE Online problem.

Okie Wren
Posted - 2010.12.30 00:23:00 - [17]
 

Hi.. I'm Okie Wren and.. I'm an alt.

/Alts Anonymous introduction

Marak Mocam
Posted - 2010.12.30 04:43:00 - [18]
 

I'll just touch on alts - same account alts.

As others have mentioned, these types of alts are used as "eyes"/scouts.

Park in a lowsec system you fly through -- pull alt out, check the gates for camps, back to station and park. If the alt gets popped, the local station is the home station so you're back at the base - nothing really lost and a camp situation found.

Park alt at "other" trade hubs. Price checking.

Lastly - buying a char.

Transfer char to an alt slot on your account and you now have options to flip back and forth. Many "focused" profession can be capped out and there's really no value to continue training so those types of alts lose nothing by not training them -or- your main then stops training while you play/train the alt...

This 'buying a char' works well for those like titan and super carrier pilots as well. Those who fly that type of ship sometimes refer to them as 'coffins' -- they cannot move/play that char so they'll get another char on that account so they can actually play outside of just huge fleet operations.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2010.12.30 09:22:00 - [19]
 

Note that you can buy/sell characters, so it is possible to have 3 highly skilled ones on a single account.


 

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