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NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.02.18 23:23:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: NinjaSpud on 22/02/2011 15:26:24
Edited by: NinjaSpud on 18/02/2011 23:24:06
I can't beleive I'm saying this


let me start by saying I dont like drakes....to popular and to many ****y pilots fly them thinking they're bad ass. At first I'd say nerf em!

but what would that leave the Caldari with? Name one good frig/cruiser/BC/BS/useful ship the caldari have.
(ok sometimes the raven, but i've killed my fare share of ravens)
They have a decent comand ship in the nighthwak...but all command ships rock
they have a decent paper thin logi w/ the bassalisk
I'll give a little credit for the flycatcher...again paper thin but useful in fleets.

Thier carriers blow chunks

Take away the Drake and you've pretty much removed the Caldari's offensive capabilities.
As much as i hate em....its kinda their only move man....

Aerilis
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.02.19 03:12:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
Edited by: NinjaSpud on 18/02/2011 23:24:06
I can't beleive I'm saying this


let me start by saying I dont like drakes....to popular and to many ****y pilots fly them thinking they're bad ass. At first I'd say nerf em!

but what would that leave the Caldari with? Name one good frig/cruiser/BC/BS/useful ship the caldari have.
(ok sometimes the raven, but i've killed my fare share of ravens)
They have a decent comand ship in the nighthwak...but all command ships rock
they have a decent paper thin logi w/ the bassalisk
I'll give a little credit for the flycatcher...again paper thin but useful in fleets.

They're carriers blow chunks

Take away the Drake and you've pretty much removed the Caldari's offensive capabilities.
As much as i hate em....its kinda their only move man....

That's not an excuse for allowing the Drake to be OP, go tell CCP to buff the other Caldari ships :)

Belfelmalak
Posted - 2011.02.19 05:53:00 - [63]
 

If there is an overpowered BC in the game its the Cane. Most of the non BS winmatar ships are so overbalanced that they have become virtually the only logical choice for solo Pvp.

Nerf the Drake, no ,nerf the Cane and its siblings.

Posting Alt101
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.02.19 06:07:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Posting Alt101 on 19/02/2011 06:09:23
Edited by: Posting Alt101 on 19/02/2011 06:08:17
Originally by: Aerilis
Originally by: NinjaSpud
Edited by: NinjaSpud on 18/02/2011 23:24:06
I can't beleive I'm saying this


let me start by saying I dont like drakes....to popular and to many ****y pilots fly them thinking they're bad ass. At first I'd say nerf em!

but what would that leave the Caldari with? Name one good frig/cruiser/BC/BS/useful ship the caldari have.
(ok sometimes the raven, but i've killed my fare share of ravens)
They have a decent comand ship in the nighthwak...but all command ships rock
they have a decent paper thin logi w/ the bassalisk
I'll give a little credit for the flycatcher...again paper thin but useful in fleets.

They're carriers blow chunks

Take away the Drake and you've pretty much removed the Caldari's offensive capabilities.
As much as i hate em....its kinda their only move man....

That's not an excuse for allowing the Drake to be OP, go tell CCP to buff the other Caldari ships :)


I'd love for them to buff the other ships to be easier to use in solo pvp. To be fair, most Caldari aren't horrible in fleet and Caldari have ecm (which is considered broken by many players). Now it does suck using missiles in fleet/gang pvp due to time of flight unless you're in a missile gang. Otherwise you have to be really lucky to get the km in my experience (perhaps its different for others). (Yes, I also have gunnery due to that factor...but tbh, the ferox feels like an inferior bc after flying the drake). And no, I'm not complaining about the time of flight because I don't have to worry about transversal etc...it balances in my opinion.

The Drake is simply one of the best cheap solo options. Seed more T2 caldari bpc's through pve drops to drive the prices down if you want to see fewer drakes that badly. Then you'll see more variety in caldari ships flown in pvp. If you've been to lowsec and been in more than 1 pvp engagement, you'll know that the bc is predominant in most areas because of its affordability in relation to hacs, pirate ships (some ships just need their own special I pwn category), battleships, cruisers etc..I'm not claiming its the only ship type you see, however it's the most pervasive I've encountered. 200mil for a hac or 80ish mil for a fully fitted drake (if that much). Tell me which option will have more people capable of sustaining pvp over isk production.

Unfortunately ccp is busy making sure that the wow style "rp" of goldshire (or was it hillshire?) farms is replicated here. Next is second life style economy for pretty things for "girls" to wear in station.

My reccomendation is that you and every other person who feels the drake is broken, get on a buff caldari ships petition band wagon and see where that gets you.

Demand Funtari in Gallente stations for proper rp purposes!


Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.02.19 09:50:00 - [65]
 

People are literally asking, in this thread, that they be forced to make a choice between expensive or ineffective whenever they PvP. I have isk out of my eyeballs at this point, with the SP to fly maxed-out pimpships all day and even I see how that is dumb.

Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
Posted - 2011.02.19 12:02:00 - [66]
 

Drake is not broken. It is an average BC and anyone that thinks it's so OP is a noob that just doesn't have their skills to level 5 yet. So noobs think the most noobfriendly BC to fly is OP.... Yet all it can do is sit there and spam missiles. Sure you get a 25 drone bay.......SWEET, doesn't change that Drake either has a EM or THM resist hole. Isn't that what minny pilots use the most? Hell I would rather be in Myrm than a drake. Atleast when you get jammed in a myrm the droned keep killine that target.

Reima Antero
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:54:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Reima Antero on 19/02/2011 19:54:01
drake is fine, its freaking slow. "oh but nanodrake!" oh but nanodrake is just a drakes damage/tank nerfed for cane-like speeds...

and cane has neuts!

Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.02.19 23:05:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Target Painter on 19/02/2011 23:06:08
Originally by: Schalac
Sure you get a 25 drone bay.......SWEET, doesn't change that Drake either has a EM or THM resist hole.


The weakest resist on a (2x invul) Drake is stronger than the strongest resist on a shield Cane. 2x invul Drakes don't have holes. Even a 2xLSE/double web Drake has better resists as long as they throw in an EM resist rig.

Which doesn't mean the Drake is OP or broken, just exceptionally tanky.

NoLimit Soldier
Posted - 2011.02.20 00:50:00 - [69]
 

The drake is a fat (sig), slow, heavy tanked (resists), with decent damage projection. Naturally this is great when mixed with logistics and in large number *SHOCKER*

As ccp has mentioned they are looking at ways to make it not as effective in large engagements without killing it in small gang.

In small gang / solo it has SERIOUS issues with 1. Lack of neuts 2. Lack of ability to quickly being able to take down small fast ships 3. Serious speed issues and suffers from a "can't catch or can't kill" (With the exception of other Battle cruisers)

So is it overpowered? hardly. Being in an AB Jag I fear a cane/mrym a hell of a lot more than a drake.

Daniel Whateley
Posted - 2011.02.20 03:12:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: VillagePeople
Hey that dumb drake fit wants to meet my LUL-FIT 1500DPS phoon... and by 700dps, do you mean not 700dps with your fit? I haven't checked but I can't imagine 700dps without Rage missiles.

Nothing wrong with drake, its powerful at what it does, but what it does is limited...

For example, what will that drake do if he gets tackled by a vagabond/nano cane/etc?.... die a slow and painful death is probably the answer as with its low speed and short range, there is not much it can do. The autocannons on a cane/lasers on a harby can usually hit & track these types of targets & the myrmidon can switch to ECM drones, warriors or whatever he needs.

Lets suppose now Mr Typhoon arrives in your belt at 25km, and proceeds to approach and point you... the drakes AWFUL speed will mean he will die where other BC may have been able to escape. Even more annoying the typhoon pilot is hitting you for some crazy DPS thanks to your large sig radius...

The drake has a very heavy tank and OK DPS but its also the slowest BC, has a huge signature radius, lowest locking speed and lacks PG/CPU for a med neut. I would rather fly a hurricane any day.



i quote that yep your absolutely right but i think the drake would serve as a bait ship than anything lol Wink

Slutty Guppy
Posted - 2011.02.20 05:25:00 - [71]
 

yes the drake is overpowered

Lars Scanier
Posted - 2011.02.20 12:01:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: ****ty Guppy
yes the drake is overpowered

your stupididty is overpowered

Therran Promitz
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.20 15:40:00 - [73]
 

I, to, enjoy HAMs


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