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TriadSte
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:09:00 - [1]
 

There's a whole debate going on right now but this morning it dawned on me that this isn't such a bad idea.

I think this would work :

1 Plex = 30 days training time in the skill(s) of your choice with only a set number allowed per year very much the same as remaps.

I do not think there would be a flood of chars gaining huge SP quickly because there are many players who cannot afford to pay for game time with Plex anyway. The game has a curve about the way things happen:

Start out new, hardly any SP and struggle to get in good ships and pretty broke 24/7

All the way upto thinking nothing of throwing hundreds and hundreds of millions of isk on modules and replacing shiny ships without much care.

With the Plex for SP in place this curve will not change therefore I cannot see it effecting many people.

All in all a good idea.

Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:12:00 - [2]
 

0/10

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:17:00 - [3]
 

Invoking Malcanis' Law.

Carola Kessler
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:18:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: TriadSte
There's a whole debate going on right now but this morning it dawned on me that this isn't such a bad idea.

I think this would work :

1 Plex = 30 days training time in the skill(s) of your choice with only a set number allowed per year very much the same as remaps.

I do not think there would be a flood of chars gaining huge SP quickly because there are many players who cannot afford to pay for game time with Plex anyway. The game has a curve about the way things happen:

Start out new, hardly any SP and struggle to get in good ships and pretty broke 24/7

All the way upto thinking nothing of throwing hundreds and hundreds of millions of isk on modules and replacing shiny ships without much care.

With the Plex for SP in place this curve will not change therefore I cannot see it effecting many people.

All in all a good idea.




/me Just facepalms and headsdesk hard

PLEX for SP's....OMG....NOOOO WAYYY in hell, this would totally unbalance nearly every aspect in the game, you Sir thinks there aren't many out there buying PLEX for real money??!! ...Geeez you really should brigthen up your head THERE ARE MANY ppls buying alot stuff for RL money allready especially for getting an ingame isk boost!!

So NO, this idea wouldn't get supported from me!!


Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:19:00 - [5]
 

Already exists. Go to the character forum and grab one that you like.

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:24:00 - [6]
 

A decent effort there by TriadSte; likely to get a few bites, but he won't make the top half of the table without putting a bit more effort in.

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tartan pixie
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:26:00 - [7]
 

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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:27:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Jovan Geldon
A decent effort there by TriadSte; likely to get a few bites, but he won't make the top half of the table without putting a bit more effort in.

The league of trolls, as it currently stands:

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****, I'm slipping.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:31:00 - [9]
 

Veterans would quit because despite saying "You don't need SP to PVP" they'll end up on the losing side to people who are just better players than them when fighting on an equal ground.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:44:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Jovan Geldon
A decent effort there by TriadSte; likely to get a few bites, but he won't make the top half of the table without putting a bit more effort in.

The league of trolls, as it currently stands:

Eve Online Official Forum Premier League of Trolls (sponsored by CCP)

1: Lady Spank
2: Spruillo
3: masternerdguy
4: Tom Gerard
5: frog0ut
6: ImmutableDark
7: Xenuria
8: podlol
9: Siigari Kitawa
10: Lana Torrin


I am not a troll but I accept this top spot anyway Cool

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:46:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
I am not a troll but I accept this top spot anyway Cool


I'm a troll and i don't even get a spot Crying or Very sad

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2010.12.23 12:05:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: frog0ut
Veterans would quit because despite saying "You don't need SP to PVP" they'll end up on the losing side to people who are just better players than them when fighting on an equal ground.


no they would quit because it would no longer be eve. Vets earned they're SP through time and effort planning the skills for years and years, its one of the harsh bold gameplay choices ccp made from the start.

giving direct SP for plex would be as mad as dropping all sec to 0.0 and swapping warp to zero for warp to 100km.

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2010.12.23 13:16:00 - [13]
 

Eventually the skill training system probably will be softened (*) but I doubt that PLEX for SP is a realistic option for CCP at this point.
They opted to cancel PLEX for Remap, so it seems unlikely that they would make this much bolder move in the near future.

(*) because the "OMG I can't catch up" problem will only grow worse over time and skill requirements that previously were only important for endgame-content will gradually become "must-have" skills for normal players.
I would expect CCP to introduce some hybrid system in which you continue to train skills all the time but can earn extra SP by in-game actions.
And of course it is likely that the prerequisites for "key" skills will continued to be lowered (Thermodynamics is a nice example).

EVE's skill training system is a really nice way to improve customer retention but it simply doesn't scale all that well as the game ages.

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.23 13:18:00 - [14]
 

Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.


MaxCpt
Dead poets society
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2010.12.23 13:28:00 - [15]
 

Just No - I suggested before that you should able to buy a "SP reallocate"(Like the learning skillpoints reallocate) for PLEX but this suggestion would allow for players who have many IRL moneys to MAX all out in no time.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.12.23 13:28:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: De''Veldrin on 23/12/2010 13:29:18
Originally by: TriadSte
There's a whole debate going on right now but this morning it dawned on me that this isn't such a bad idea.

I think this would work :

1 Plex = 30 days training time in the skill(s) of your choice with only a set number allowed per year very much the same as remaps.

I do not think there would be a flood of chars gaining huge SP quickly because there are many players who cannot afford to pay for game time with Plex anyway. The game has a curve about the way things happen:

Start out new, hardly any SP and struggle to get in good ships and pretty broke 24/7

All the way upto thinking nothing of throwing hundreds and hundreds of millions of isk on modules and replacing shiny ships without much care.

With the Plex for SP in place this curve will not change therefore I cannot see it effecting many people.

All in all a good idea.


There are two groups of people your assessment fails to take into account:

1. Vets who will be happy to spend a few billion ISK power leveling a new alt for the FOTM ship.
2. New players with more RL money than sense who will happily spend a few thousand dollars buying PLEX so they can "reach max level" faster.

Those are the only two groups that will gain from this idea, and they will dominate the landscape.

So no, this is a bloody awful idea that will kill Eve as we know it now.

Edit: Also, you're trying too hard. A good troll has a rhythm you haven't quite gotten yet. I mean they picked you up on what? Reply 3 or 4? Better luck next time mate.

SargeantNekkid DDS
Posted - 2010.12.23 13:35:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: TriadSte
There's a whole debate going on right now but this morning it dawned on me that this isn't such a bad idea.

I think this would work :

1 Plex = 30 days training time in the skill(s) of your choice with only a set number allowed per year very much the same as remaps.

I do not think there would be a flood of chars gaining huge SP quickly because there are many players who cannot afford to pay for game time with Plex anyway. The game has a curve about the way things happen:

Start out new, hardly any SP and struggle to get in good ships and pretty broke 24/7

All the way upto thinking nothing of throwing hundreds and hundreds of millions of isk on modules and replacing shiny ships without much care.

With the Plex for SP in place this curve will not change therefore I cannot see it effecting many people.

All in all a good idea.


It's one of those ideas that sounds rich on paper but in reality are a load of crap. Definitely invoking Malcanis's Law on this - new players don't have the isk to afford PLEX and furthermore don't want to spend godlike sums of money on a game they just started playing. Instead, anyone who can make billions per day with little effort will simply be leveling up like no tomorrow. Even if you put a hard limit on the number of times it can be done per year, it's still against the spirit of the current system.

The current SP system is in contrast to the systems of games like WoW, where the more you play the more you level. Suggestions like this say the more you play = the more you make = spend more money on PLEX = the more you level. So in essence, ideas like this are anti-EVE.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.23 13:39:00 - [18]
 

The depressing thing is that it's just a matter of time before Atari's marketing people suggest this to CCP.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.12.23 13:41:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
The depressing thing is that it's just a matter of time before Atari's marketing people suggest this to CCP.


You think they haven't already?

Atari: "It's just like making them plunk in quarters to play three lives!"
CCP: "o.O?"

Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
Posted - 2010.12.23 13:42:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
The depressing thing is that it's just a matter of time before Atari's marketing people suggest this to CCP.


There are a few things which will never change.

One of which is Ninja Salvaging.

Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.12.23 18:55:00 - [21]
 

Really? Did NOBODY read what the OP said? He suggested it should be limited - in other words, there is no way you could buy a million plex to max out a 1 hour old char - you would only be able to buy this bonus a fixed number of times every year.

I do not support this idea, but still, please do not misrepresent the guy you don't agree with.

OP, thanks for (what I assume to be) a good-faith suggestion, but this simply should not be in the game. Being able to use plex to get ISK (and hence a boost asset-wise, and even skill-wise since you can buy the expensive books straight out) is fine for now.

Cheers.

el alasar
Posted - 2010.12.24 12:53:00 - [22]
 

if you gained skill points with plex only temporarily (for xxx skill points for say 2 weeks) it would be a nice way to burn plex and isk Very Happy

but might give people with too many isk a peek into what could be done or have some more repping for a short period of time in times of war

Georgiy Giggle
The Sith Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.24 13:48:00 - [23]
 

-1

EVE is not WOW or some another dolls theatre.
Your power is in your age, NOT in your WALLET, NOT in your SHIPSIZE, NOT in your RECOGNITION, NOT IN ANYTHING ELSE.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.24 14:23:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Georgiy Giggle
-1

Your power is in your age, NOT in your WALLET, NOT in your SHIPSIZE, NOT in your RECOGNITION, NOT IN ANYTHING ELSE.


And even that isn't fully true. Your power is in your SKILL -- not your skill points, mind the difference. Newbies with too much cash on their hands would lose trillions in expensive ship and POS-es, and what not, because they've leveled up overnight in SP, without having grown in skill. It would spell disaster on a massive scale. Many would rage-quit (real-money issues tend to cause that). This idea would cause a great disturbance in the Force, and soon thereafter EVE would collapse as a whole.

-1

Nadiim Zilch
Posted - 2011.01.11 05:18:00 - [25]
 

All nay saying aside, You don't honestly think that the learning skill removal's SP reimbursement system was implemented solely for that purpose right? CCP at some point in time has definitely thought of this very idea to pursue.

In fact the simplicity of adding it to the game is distressingly easy.
And in consideration of nice, even numbers, 30 days of turned in game time should get you 2 million SP, which is just short of the max you can get per month of regular training.

And for people who can't afford the former method, I would also suggest a Concord LP for SP conversion method for a *MUCH* needed boost towards the upcoming incursion system, which currently has an unjustifiable risk/reward. At 700 isk/LP, a 5000 LP for 21000 SP LP redemption would be about the same rate as a ~330 Million "SPEX" (pronounced 'specks') card.

So just shut-up and admit the allure of being able to instacomplete Battleship 5 for less than 15 dollars, especially if you're just as willing to spend the 15 dollars waiting for it to complete.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.01.11 06:46:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Nadiim Zilch

And in consideration of nice, even numbers, 30 days of turned in game time should get you 2 million SP, which is just short of the max you can get per month of regular training.

And for people who can't afford the former method, I would also suggest a Concord LP for SP conversion method for a *MUCH* needed boost towards the upcoming incursion system, which currently has an unjustifiable risk/reward. At 700 isk/LP, a 5000 LP for 21000 SP LP redemption would be about the same rate as a ~330 Million "SPEX" (pronounced 'specks') card.

So just shut-up and admit the allure of being able to instacomplete Battleship 5 for less than 15 dollars, especially if you're just as willing to spend the 15 dollars waiting for it to complete.


Alluring? Yes. Game breaking? **** yes.

Not Supported.

Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
Posted - 2011.01.11 11:59:00 - [27]
 

No.

Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
Posted - 2011.01.11 12:05:00 - [28]
 

Ranka, may I tell you that I absolutely adore your sigs?

Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2011.01.11 12:24:00 - [29]
 

So basically all the people who neither have the time of an unemployed person nor can afford to waste lots of money on plexes are screwed and better not start playing altogether?

Not a good idea.
At least not if you want to address a broad playerbase without scaring away those who would like to play, but are not (yet) willing to commit 100%, or simply can't.

Ron Livingston
Posted - 2011.01.11 14:25:00 - [30]
 

I personally hate the leveling system in eve. Having to wait a month or more real time is kinda crazy. The fact that you can never catch up makes me sad. Some kind of system where you learn base skills based on time but proficiencies go up the more you use them would be better.

But allowing people to buy skills for real money is just stupid. I can't afford it and would be too tempted if I could afford it. It would break everything. With most MMO's character development is very important; getting it all instantly would remove the fun of achieving character goals and make people leave the game.





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