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Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.12.23 10:56:00 - [31]
 

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Jane Griffin
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:26:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Lady Aja
leave war decs as they are.. how ever...

add a kill rights to anyone leaving the deccing or decced corp with one kill right vs the other corp.

if you dec a 100 man corp/ allaince and they disband or the war deccers disnand for WHAT EVER reason. you would have to have a 100% complete list of who was a war target to get a kill right on them.

insta leaving a corp to join a new one to avoid war decs to avoid legit game mechanics, is a broken game mechanic in its self.


Leaving a corp to avoid a wardec is also a legit mechanic...

Other than that, the world is round and has things called timezones. 24hours warning is the minimum fair amount of time required to make sure as many people are aware of the war as possible before it goes live.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:34:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: frog0ut on 23/12/2010 11:36:40
Originally by: HeIIfire11
nope.

Get out of high sec and fight people who want to fight back,but don't ask for griefer support and think you will get it.Carebears pay money too don't forget.


Or better yet, you could go and play a game called World of Warcraft. I heard you can't be attacked by other players in the safe zones. so you wouldn't be posting your generic rubbish because you're mad someone killed you in highsec

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.12.23 11:38:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
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Hi there, pretty girl. How are you doing?

Wanna come check out my new thorax? It's very pointy Wink

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2010.12.23 12:30:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
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what is this, SHC? we're too classy for swiftsnipes here, brotato.

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.23 13:20:00 - [36]
 

Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.


Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Posted - 2010.12.23 22:46:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Add 500m instant dec and /signed Very Happy


/signed

Kai Yuen
Posted - 2010.12.23 23:18:00 - [38]
 

No, learn to PvP like a man out of high sec or wait your 24 hour timer like everyone else. There is no such thing as carebear PvP and there will never be any such thing as carebear PvP. If you want surprise PvP so bad then balls up and go pirate in low sec. You can't force high secers to PvP with you. Suicide gank or GTFO.

Space Pinata
Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
Posted - 2010.12.24 05:07:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Kai Yuen
No, learn to PvP like a man out of high sec or wait your 24 hour timer like everyone else. There is no such thing as carebear PvP and there will never be any such thing as carebear PvP. If you want surprise PvP so bad then balls up and go pirate in low sec. You can't force high secers to PvP with you. Suicide gank or GTFO.


I've been a highsec PVPer.

I don't PVP in highsec because I'm afraid of low/nullsec.

I PVP in highsec because 90% of the population is in highsec. Target rich area.

If you wanna call people not-men for PVPing in highsec, what does that make people who are scared to PVP even in highsec? Mm.

This idea is bad, of course. Just don't see why everyone is so bitter about it.

If all you do is PVE you should have piles of money to hire mercs. Or pay ransoms. Or whatever. It's a strange mix of being too proud to admit you can't handle it, and unwilling to actually try to handle it.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2010.12.24 06:36:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Space Pinata
Originally by: Kai Yuen
No, learn to PvP like a man out of high sec or wait your 24 hour timer like everyone else. There is no such thing as carebear PvP and there will never be any such thing as carebear PvP. If you want surprise PvP so bad then balls up and go pirate in low sec. You can't force high secers to PvP with you. Suicide gank or GTFO.


I've been a highsec PVPer.

I don't PVP in highsec because I'm afraid of low/nullsec.

I PVP in highsec because 90% of the population is in highsec. Target rich area.

If you wanna call people not-men for PVPing in highsec, what does that make people who are scared to PVP even in highsec? Mm.

This idea is bad, of course. Just don't see why everyone is so bitter about it.

If all you do is PVE you should have piles of money to hire mercs. Or pay ransoms. Or whatever. It's a strange mix of being too proud to admit you can't handle it, and unwilling to actually try to handle it.

if there was no highsec pvp, where do u think the new pvp area's would be?

highsec pvp isnt wrong, its that the ones who want the pvp have almost no risk.
if a 20man corp of pvper's dec a 20 man mining corp. what can they do?

corp vs corp cost is 2mil a week. so you kinda kill the game for a corp who have almost no option to defend, currently the best way is fight, hire someone to fight for you, or wait it out.
too bad if its griefing waiting it out is near impossible due to cheap war prices\

Space Pinata
Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
Posted - 2010.12.24 06:44:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Space Pinata on 24/12/2010 06:50:40
Quote:
highsec pvp isnt wrong, its that the ones who want the pvp have almost no risk. if a 20man corp of pvper's dec a 20 man mining corp. what can they do?


Fight back

Hire mercs to fight in their stead. (What else are they using all that isk for, if they do nothing but mine).

Keep moving and don't settle down

Wait it out

Find allies

Disband

Choose any of those, really. Everyone in EVE has access to the same skills, the same ships, the same tactics.

If you're "no risk" to someone else, that's your fault, not theirs.

"Risk" is such a stupid thing to discuss. "Risk" is why you lose. Do you think "risk" is rolling a dice and having a 50% chance of winning, 50% chance of death?

If you're never at any serious risk, that means you're playing smart. Do you think soldiers give the enemy a chance to shoot back if they can help it? That's the ENTIRE 'game' part of EVE.

You outsmart your enemy and minimize your risk while maximizing theirs. If you don't do that, it's just a random number generator, and whoever arbitrarily gets more wrecking hits wins.

Remember, kids, risk =/= chance.

You always take a risk PVPing. Always. That doesn't mean everyone has an X% chance of dying. If you play your cards right you might have a 0% chance of dying. Or, a trap might mean you have a 0% chance of winning.

Point is: Maybe if you started thinking about how to minimize your own risk, and not how to bravely die in a hail of gunfire (REALITY IS NOT AN ACTION MOVIE.), you might start winning some.

Kai Yuen
Posted - 2010.12.24 07:11:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Space Pinata

I've been a highsec PVPer.

I don't PVP in highsec because I'm afraid of low/nullsec.

I PVP in highsec because 90% of the population is in highsec. Target rich area.



That's a load of crap. If high sec really was so target rich then the 24 hour grace period wouldn't affect you that much. This thread if for people who want to grief small corporations at will with almost no risk involved. There is nothing in EVE that you can do with no risk, so I won't support any option that comes close to that. If you really want a target rich environment then war dec a larger corporation or alliance that can't disband and reform within the 24 hour period or set up a suicide gank. If you're too afraid to do that then you don't deserve to PvP.

Originally by: Space Pinata

If you wanna call people not-men for PVPing in highsec, what does that make people who are scared to PVP even in highsec? Mm.

This idea is bad, of course. Just don't see why everyone is so bitter about it.

If all you do is PVE you should have piles of money to hire mercs. Or pay ransoms. Or whatever. It's a strange mix of being too proud to admit you can't handle it, and unwilling to actually try to handle it.


You can't force people to PvP with you at a whim in high sec and it's never going to be that way. This "fix" is just a lame way of griefing people who can't/won't fight back. Sorry, learn to fight targets that are willing to mount a defense and shoot back or go play duck hunt. I hear ducks shooting is risk free.

Space Pinata
Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
Posted - 2010.12.24 07:27:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Kai Yuen
Originally by: Space Pinata

I've been a highsec PVPer.

I don't PVP in highsec because I'm afraid of low/nullsec.

I PVP in highsec because 90% of the population is in highsec. Target rich area.



That's a load of crap. If high sec really was so target rich then the 24 hour grace period wouldn't affect you that much. This thread if for people who want to grief small corporations at will with almost no risk involved. There is nothing in EVE that you can do with no risk, so I won't support any option that comes close to that. If you really want a target rich environment then war dec a larger corporation or alliance that can't disband and reform within the 24 hour period or set up a suicide gank. If you're too afraid to do that then you don't deserve to PvP.

Originally by: Space Pinata

If you wanna call people not-men for PVPing in highsec, what does that make people who are scared to PVP even in highsec? Mm.

This idea is bad, of course. Just don't see why everyone is so bitter about it.

If all you do is PVE you should have piles of money to hire mercs. Or pay ransoms. Or whatever. It's a strange mix of being too proud to admit you can't handle it, and unwilling to actually try to handle it.


You can't force people to PvP with you at a whim in high sec and it's never going to be that way. This "fix" is just a lame way of griefing people who can't/won't fight back. Sorry, learn to fight targets that are willing to mount a defense and shoot back or go play duck hunt. I hear ducks shooting is risk free.


Your post spends a lot of words, none of which address the issue at hand.

All of them, however, make insults at the straw-man character of the highsec PVPer.

It's really easy to insult a fictional person you just made up, neh?

You telling me that, if an enemy came by and you knew you'd win, you'd let them go because it's not fair? Or are you just repeating old slogans? Like some kinda parrot.

If EVE was a pvp-by-consent game, there'd be no pvp at all.

PS: I specifically said this idea was bad but you had already made up what you wanted my argument to be before you posted. You might get along with others better if you listened to what they said, rather than making up what you want them to say.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2010.12.24 08:11:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Herping yourDerp

if there was no highsec pvp, where do u think the new pvp area's would be?

highsec pvp isnt wrong, its that the ones who want the pvp have almost no risk.
if a 20man corp of pvper's dec a 20 man mining corp. what can they do?

corp vs corp cost is 2mil a week. so you kinda kill the game for a corp who have almost no option to defend, currently the best way is fight, hire someone to fight for you, or wait it out.
too bad if its griefing waiting it out is near impossible due to cheap war prices\


Most serious war deccers would not be deccing a 20 man corporation if they have 20 members.

If you dec a corporation you are gonna get only a few % of the total corporation members online at any one time. The majority of corporations probably have a good % of people who no longer play or who play very rarely / only log in for skill training. After a war dec that will increase quite significantly.

As a solo player, I tend to declare against 100 or more member corporations, preferably alliances with 100's of people. I think serious deccers with 20 members or more will be doing 100's to 1000's to get a good amount of targets online throughout the day.

The people who have 20 members and dec 20 member corps are obviously newbies and probably just as bad at pvp as the miners they're targeting.

Kai Yuen
Posted - 2010.12.24 09:04:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Space Pinata

Your post spends a lot of words, none of which address the issue at hand.

All of them, however, make insults at the straw-man character of the highsec PVPer.

It's really easy to insult a fictional person you just made up, neh?

You telling me that, if an enemy came by and you knew you'd win, you'd let them go because it's not fair? Or are you just repeating old slogans? Like some kinda parrot.



Your post spends a lot of words, none of which address the issue at hand.

All of them, however, make insults at the people who actually PvP in space where PvP is meant to take place.

It's really easy to insult a person when you don't really know anything about PvP, eh?

If I saw an enemy it would either be in 0.0 or low sec. In 0.0 and low sec there are enemies everywhere. Why? Because I can shoot as I please without getting CONCORDed and gate guns are an obstacle I can predict and prepare for. CONCORD is not. Amazingly enough, anyone can shoot me as well and people in those areas are much more likely to be prepared to do so. What you want is the same experience, only without any risk of being fired on in return. Sorry, balls up and go to low sec.

Originally by: Space Pinata

If EVE was a pvp-by-consent game, there'd be no pvp at all.

PS: I specifically said this idea was bad but you had already made up what you wanted my argument to be before you posted. You might get along with others better if you listened to what they said, rather than making up what you want them to say.


If High Sec was PvP as you please without a risk, there'd be no security at all.

PS: I specifically targeted your arguments individually regardless of what your opinion is on this specific post. I made up my mind purely off of what you said in response to my post. You already made up your mind that I was insulting you before you actually read what I posted. You might get along with others better if you listened to what they said, rather than making up what you want them to say.

ILikeMarkets
Posted - 2010.12.24 09:40:00 - [46]
 

Multiply each of those amounts by 5 or 10 and I'm for it.

Seriously, though, am I the only one who thinks those amounts seem... meager?

Space Pinata
Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
Posted - 2010.12.24 10:47:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Space Pinata on 24/12/2010 10:48:13
Edited by: Space Pinata on 24/12/2010 10:47:37
Originally by: ILikeMarkets
Multiply each of those amounts by 5 or 10 and I'm for it.

Seriously, though, am I the only one who thinks those amounts seem... meager?


Yes.

PVPers actually play the game and don't spend all day making ISK.

Also @ Kai: Lowsec is a ghost town.

Nullsec has a drake or raven every 1-2 jumps and it cloaks, warps to a pos, or logoffski's the moment you come into local with it.

It has nothing to do with 'fear', and everything to do with low/nullsec being hours and hours of "ok, jump to next system.. drake on scan... belt 7-1... in warp... ok its cloaked... next system, raven on (raven named Fjsdflkhsjd logoffski's)..welp".

Unless you think serving your corporate overlords and throwing ships into a meat grinder for the moon you won't get any isk out of is 'real pvp'?

tl;dr: Roaming nullsec is boring as hell.

I've roamed hours in a rifter in lowsec and not gotten a fight.

Decced lowsec corps. They sit on stations with carriers and trimarked BS and deaggro to dock the moment you shoot any individual one of them. Exciting.


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