open All Channels
seplocked Features and Ideas Discussion
blankseplocked CCP Fix War Decs
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic

masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
Posted - 2010.12.22 22:58:00 - [1]
 

Allow me to pay extra money to shorten the warning my enemy gets before a wardec. For example:

2m - Std 24 hour warning
20m - 12 hr warning
200m - 6 hour warning

I think thats a fair way to do it.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.22 23:02:00 - [2]
 

24 std warning would save BILLIONS imo

/supported

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.22 23:05:00 - [3]
 

Add 500m instant dec and /signed Very Happy

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2010.12.22 23:59:00 - [4]
 

nope.

Get out of high sec and fight people who want to fight back,but don't ask for griefer support and think you will get it.Carebears pay money too don't forget.

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2010.12.23 00:01:00 - [5]
 

only if the bears can pay money to delay/suspend a wardec. The balance must be preserved. ugh

Skram
Armored Elite
Posted - 2010.12.23 00:01:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
nope.

Get out of high sec and fight people who want to fight back,but don't ask for griefer support and think you will get it.Carebears pay money too don't forget.

+1

Velendil Soritenshi
Posted - 2010.12.23 00:05:00 - [7]
 

The whole point of the warning period is so the other corp has time to prepare without being "gankdecced" in highsec. To change that would be a horrible idea and all it would do is make piracy easier if they can just instadec a corp, kill without impunity and the victim's would be helpless to do anything about initial losses. This is a horrible horrible idea...but not suprising considering who it is coming from.


Akiba Penrose
The Praxis Initiative
Posted - 2010.12.23 00:08:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
nope.

Get out of high sec and fight people who want to fight back,but don't ask for griefer support and think you will get it.Carebears pay money too don't forget.


aye!

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.12.23 00:09:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
only if the bears can pay money to delay/suspend a wardec. The balance must be preserved. ugh


This
ughugh

Marius Wolfe
Posted - 2010.12.23 00:55:00 - [10]
 

200 mil for a 72hrs extension?

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2010.12.23 01:20:00 - [11]
 

24 hours warning

make a normal corp vs corp dec 100mil
alliance vs anything = 500mil

if you dec more then 1 corp make its adds more like it is now.
kill grief wars and make highsec wars expensive for both parties involved.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2010.12.23 02:10:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Herping yourDerp
24 hours warning

make a normal corp vs corp dec 100mil
alliance vs anything = 500mil

if you dec more then 1 corp make its adds more like it is now.
kill grief wars and make highsec wars expensive for both parties involved.

Don't like wars that much, don't join a corporation. 100% your choice.

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2010.12.23 02:29:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Herping yourDerp
24 hours warning

make a normal corp vs corp dec 100mil
alliance vs anything = 500mil

if you dec more then 1 corp make its adds more like it is now.
kill grief wars and make highsec wars expensive for both parties involved.

Don't like wars that much, don't join a corporation. 100% your choice.


Don't like high sec?Want to shot people on sight?

IdeaGo to low or null secShockedMy guess after looking at the map is that 70-80% of eve is low or null yet all of you want to pvp in high sec.

One word comes to mind..it starts with an f and ends with L.


Meridith Akesia
Stimulus
Posted - 2010.12.23 03:26:00 - [14]
 

No.

Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
Posted - 2010.12.23 03:34:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Herping yourDerp
24 hours warning

make a normal corp vs corp dec 100mil
alliance vs anything = 500mil

if you dec more then 1 corp make its adds more like it is now.
kill grief wars and make highsec wars expensive for both parties involved.


If you're going to do that, then all the members of a corp shouldn't be allowed to leave while the dec is active. The more expensive a dec gets, the less trivial it should be to dodge it.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.12.23 03:34:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
[My guess after looking at the map is that 70-80% of eve is low or null yet all of you want to pvp in high sec.
Of course he does. That's where all the people are.

Anyway, it's not like high sec was ever intended to be free of PvP — quite the opposite — and it's happening far too little lately, so anything that makes it easier should be a good thing.

Saju Somtaaw
Kagan-Kincaid Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.23 04:00:00 - [17]
 

Wardecs are also not supposed to be a way to gank someone w/o any warning or consiquences. High sec is supposed to be safer remember, and adding this would make it to easy for so called "pirates" to greif corps of newbies-the vary people we should be trying to get to stay-pervided they have the proper mentality of course. If it was limited to corps who were composed largely of people who want to make Eve into WoW in Space I would support this, and even make use of it.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2010.12.23 04:11:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Herping yourDerp
24 hours warning

make a normal corp vs corp dec 100mil
alliance vs anything = 500mil

if you dec more then 1 corp make its adds more like it is now.
kill grief wars and make highsec wars expensive for both parties involved.

Don't like wars that much, don't join a corporation. 100% your choice.


Don't like high sec?Want to shot people on sight?

IdeaGo to low or null secShockedMy guess after looking at the map is that 70-80% of eve is low or null yet all of you want to pvp in high sec.

One word comes to mind..it starts with an f and ends with L.



Very simple reason for PvP'ing in high sec wars. No bubbles (reduce gankage), no hotdrops (reduce gankage), no out of war ganks by pets, blues(reduce gankage), many carebears (more isk drops, better HUNTING opportunities), more congested local (better hunting, less chance of being spotted within 5 seconds of entering).

Many more reasons. For people like me who want to hunt people rather then have pointless duels in frigates high sec is the place to be. Remove local and I'll be more then happy to go to 0.0 and hunt.

WH's would be the premier hunting ground however they have one major flaw, you cannot use locator agents to locate people in them for any reasonable purpose. Its quite hard to get to an unknown location to kill them. Random killing is not my thing, I like selecting, tracking, finding and then assassinating people.

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.12.23 04:15:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Herping yourDerp
24 hours warning

make a normal corp vs corp dec 100mil
alliance vs anything = 500mil

if you dec more then 1 corp make its adds more like it is now.
kill grief wars and make highsec wars expensive for both parties involved.

Don't like wars that much, don't join a corporation. 100% your choice.


Don't like high sec?Want to shot people on sight?

IdeaGo to low or null secShockedMy guess after looking at the map is that 70-80% of eve is low or null yet all of you want to pvp in high sec.

One word comes to mind..it starts with an f and ends with L.



Very simple reason for PvP'ing in high sec wars. No bubbles (reduce gankage), no hotdrops (reduce gankage), no out of war ganks by pets, blues(reduce gankage), many carebears (more isk drops, better HUNTING opportunities), more congested local (better hunting, less chance of being spotted within 5 seconds of entering).

Many more reasons. For people like me who want to hunt people rather then have pointless duels in frigates high sec is the place to be. Remove local and I'll be more then happy to go to 0.0 and hunt.

WH's would be the premier hunting ground however they have one major flaw, you cannot use locator agents to locate people in them for any reasonable purpose. Its quite hard to get to an unknown location to kill them. Random killing is not my thing, I like selecting, tracking, finding and then assassinating people.


Wait... you've just explained why its easier to fight a high sec war, why make it even easier?

Don't whine that 24 hours allows carebears to react, just suicide gank them if you really want to kill people if you're in it for the "IsK"

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.12.23 04:15:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Saju Somtaaw
Wardecs are also not supposed to be a way to gank someone w/o any warning or consiquences. High sec is supposed to be safer remember, and adding this would make it to easy for so called "pirates" to greif corps of newbies-the vary people we should be trying to get to stay-pervided they have the proper mentality of course.
But this has both warning and consequences…

…and it's not really anyone's unalienable right to start a corp. Newbie or otherwise, when you start one, you rather explicitly accept the risk of being decced. If you started the corp without preparing for this eventuality, you shouldn't actually have started it at all.

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2010.12.23 04:19:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Borun Tal on 23/12/2010 04:20:28
Too chicken-sh!t to survive in low/null, huh? Why am I not surprised... I think it's hilarious that these big boys love laughing about tears of carebears, but are too chicken or stupid to survive in null. :)

Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2010.12.23 04:23:00 - [22]
 

CCP would rather have people spend that amount of ISK to buy PLEX for their RR alts.

Saju Somtaaw
Kagan-Kincaid Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.23 04:29:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Saju Somtaaw
Wardecs are also not supposed to be a way to gank someone w/o any warning or consiquences. High sec is supposed to be safer remember, and adding this would make it to easy for so called "pirates" to greif corps of newbies-the vary people we should be trying to get to stay-pervided they have the proper mentality of course.
But this has both warning and consequences…

…and it's not really anyone's unalienable right to start a corp. Newbie or otherwise, when you start one, you rather explicitly accept the risk of being decced. If you started the corp without preparing for this eventuality, you shouldn't actually have started it at all.


I'm aware of the risks, and I've even jumped corps to get back into an alliance wardec so while I still prefer to avoid PvP as I'm only just starting to work on my combat skills seriously I'm not afraid to go out in a cheap frig in implant-free clone if my corp/alliance gets dec'ed. As I gain experience I will of course move up to bigger ships or at least try 'em.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2010.12.23 04:39:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 23/12/2010 04:47:11
Originally by: Amberlamps

Wait... you've just explained why its easier to fight a high sec war, why make it even easier?

Don't whine that 24 hours allows carebears to react, just suicide gank them if you really want to kill people if you're in it for the "IsK"

Actually I don't support the OP's proposal. War decs are fine as they are. Its fair and fine imo to give people the time to prepare for a war.

I was responding to the question of why not go to low sec or 0.0. In simple form, pvp in low sec and 0.0 is not worthwhile with local the way it is and the benefits of staying in empire (risk vs reward, hunting opportunities and overpowered local needs to be addressed to get people to bother in anything bigger then a frig or smaller than a blob).

Originally by: Borun Tal
Edited by: Borun Tal on 23/12/2010 04:20:28
Too chicken-sh!t to survive in low/null, huh? Why am I not surprised... I think it's hilarious that these big boys love laughing about tears of carebears, but are too chicken or stupid to survive in null. :)

Not about being chicken **** or stupid. Its about being smart. Looking at your killboard you have one kill and 9 losses.

Whats intelligent about repeatedly going somewhere and getting ganked? Its not bravery its stupidity.

The only real way to survive in low sec or 0.0 is to cooperate with people or fly disposable frigates. Not my cup of tea. I don't like holding hands and singing songs round campfires with fellow corpmates and I don't like pointless and riskless frigate pvp.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.23 07:11:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Infinioty Ziona

Very simple reason for PvP'ing in high sec wars. No bubbles (reduce gankage), no hotdrops (reduce gankage), no out of war ganks by pets, blues(reduce gankage), many carebears (more isk drops, better HUNTING opportunities), more congested local (better hunting, less chance of being spotted within 5 seconds of entering).

Many more reasons. For people like me who want to hunt people rather then have pointless duels in frigates high sec is the place to be. Remove local and I'll be more then happy to go to 0.0 and hunt.



Neutral alts Remore Repping, station games in every system, plenty of low skill new players to gank. Rolling Eyes

I see perfectly why high sec is the place to be for failed PvPers that don't want losses.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.12.23 09:02:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Infinioty Ziona

Very simple reason for PvP'ing in high sec wars. No bubbles (reduce gankage), no hotdrops (reduce gankage), no out of war ganks by pets, blues(reduce gankage), many carebears (more isk drops, better HUNTING opportunities), more congested local (better hunting, less chance of being spotted within 5 seconds of entering).

Many more reasons. For people like me who want to hunt people rather then have pointless duels in frigates high sec is the place to be. Remove local and I'll be more then happy to go to 0.0 and hunt.



Neutral alts Remore Repping, station games in every system, plenty of low skill new players to gank. Rolling Eyes

I see perfectly why high sec is the place to be for failed PvPers that don't want losses.



Tactically that makes sense then. Why would you want losses?

C.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.23 09:16:00 - [27]
 

Because that is part of it if you want really ~good fights~?

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Add 500m instant dec and /signed Very Happy

Sure, add 500m to instantly remove the wardec and get everyone who then fires concorded and i am all in favour of it.


El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.12.23 09:58:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: masternerdguy
Allow me to pay extra money to shorten the warning my enemy gets before a wardec. For example:

2m - Std 24 hour warning
20m - 12 hr warning
200m - 6 hour warning

I think thats a fair way to do it.


How is that fair?

Sounds more like I wanna gank folks before they wake up and realize I wardeclared them. You do know you can fly to 0.0 and shoot whoever you want without a wardeclare (of course their friends might shoot you too.....which is why I figure you don't want to do it.)

What would be a more fair system is for Concord to hold an auction on the bribe, where the victim corp can counter bribe and so forth for the first 24 hours. Whoever has bid the most in that time is the one that wins their claim. If victim wins no war declare, If aggressor wins war declare. Concord keeps all proceeds regardless of outcome.

Lady Aja
Posted - 2010.12.23 10:48:00 - [29]
 

leave war decs as they are.. how ever...

add a kill rights to anyone leaving the deccing or decced corp with one kill right vs the other corp.

if you dec a 100 man corp/ allaince and they disband or the war deccers disnand for WHAT EVER reason. you would have to have a 100% complete list of who was a war target to get a kill right on them.

insta leaving a corp to join a new one to avoid war decs to avoid legit game mechanics, is a broken game mechanic in its self.

Rhedea
Rhedea Corp
Posted - 2010.12.23 10:50:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: masternerdguy
Allow me to pay extra money to shorten the warning my enemy gets before a wardec. For example:

2m - Std 24 hour warning
20m - 12 hr warning
200m - 6 hour warning

I think thats a fair way to do it.


How is that fair?


THIS!Wink

Sounds more like I wanna gank folks before they wake up and realize I wardeclared them. You do know you can fly to 0.0 and shoot whoever you want without a wardeclare (of course their friends might shoot you too.....which is why I figure you don't want to do it.)

What would be a more fair system is for Concord to hold an auction on the bribe, where the victim corp can counter bribe and so forth for the first 24 hours. Whoever has bid the most in that time is the one that wins their claim. If victim wins no war declare, If aggressor wins war declare. Concord keeps all proceeds regardless of outcome.


Pages: [1] 2

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only