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Sgt Maru
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.12.21 20:59:00 - [1]
 

This has been bothering me for a bit, while I've seen the science (fiction) behind the jump gates, jump drives, etc. I'm not to sure on the warp drives. If I'm reading the FTL travel section of (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Interstellar_Travelling) am I to assume that a frictionless vacuum bubble envelopes the ship to hurtle it towards it's destination? That's OK and everything with me, I'm not concerned about the science behind, I'm more concerned about the physics behind it.

While light travels at a little less than 300,000km/s, our slower warpping ships travel at about 4au/s or close too 600,000,000km/s this would cause severe space/time relativity problems. It's conjectured that going infinitely almost as fast as light could turn 1 days travel time into about 3 years of real time. And we know; the faster you go, the more time slows down. So if traveling almost 300,000km/s turn 1 day into 3 years, think of the implications traveling at 600mil km/s would do. (One of the longest jumps I've found is between the Haajinen gate and the Isinokka gate in Oipo, at a stellar 140 or so au (my good computer is down so it's been a while since I've made the jump and don't recall its actual number) if it takes two minutes to go from one side of the system to the next at 4au/s it could be a matter of decades of real time for me to get there.

TL;DR Ships are moving at almost 600m km/s, light travels at 300k km/s could a vacuum really distort time enough to prevent time skips?

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.12.21 21:43:00 - [2]
 

I don't have a link, but I do recall seeing either Dropbear or Adida saying that section of the chronicles/wiki was due for an update.

For instance, this specifically:

Quote:
Jump gates are built around artificial wormholes, created by exploiting gravitational resonances found in binary systems.


Is no longer supported lore, I believe. Again, I don't have a ready link, unfortunately. Because these forums are impossible to search.

So given that, I wouldn't put too much thought into anything on that page.

Milan Skrlec
Posted - 2010.12.21 21:56:00 - [3]
 

It is my understanding that it isn't so much a frictionless vacuum bubble, in so much as it is a localized gravity distortion field. Compression of the space afore the ship, and decompression behind. This will avoid all the messy time dilation effects caused by isolated space-time movement (In a completely enclosed quickly moving sphere of space).

DeftCrow Redriver
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2010.12.22 06:15:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: DeftCrow Redriver on 22/12/2010 06:15:11
Originally by: Milan Skrlec
It is my understanding that it isn't so much a frictionless vacuum bubble, in so much as it is a localized gravity distortion field. Compression of the space afore the ship, and decompression behind. This will avoid all the messy time dilation effects caused by isolated space-time movement (In a completely enclosed quickly moving sphere of space).



Something akin to this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

Milan Skrlec
Posted - 2010.12.22 16:09:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver
Edited by: DeftCrow Redriver on 22/12/2010 06:15:11

Something akin to this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive


Exactly!

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.12.23 05:54:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Wikipedia
A paper by José Natário published in 2002 showed that it would be impossible for the ship to send signals to the front of the bubble, meaning that crew members could not control, steer or stop the ship.


This portion of the article fits in with EVE quite nicely.

s666ss666ss666
Posted - 2010.12.23 06:40:00 - [7]
 

curses, my logoffski is forever foiled, both by CCP and science

Chekov Nikahd
Amarr
Posted - 2010.12.24 13:04:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Chekov Nikahd on 24/12/2010 13:05:13
Originally by: Sgt Maru
if traveling almost 300,000km/s turn 1 day into 3 years, think of the implications traveling at 600mil km/s would do.

Well, you've got that a bit backwards. Traveling near the speed of light would turn a 3 light year trip into a day, [Caveat: not necessarily a day, depends on your speed] not a day into 3 years. An outside observer would see you take 3 years to reach your destination, but the length of time the traveler experiences in transit depends entirely on how fast he is moving. If you were to observe the universe from the point of view of a photon, you would appear to reach your destination instantaneously.

So when you say "think of the implications traveling at 600mil km/s would do." it doesn't really make sense because what you're really saying is "think of the implications of arriving at a destination 2000x faster than instantaneously".


 

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