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Owledge
Posted - 2010.12.19 17:31:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Owledge on 19/12/2010 17:31:42
I have heard that people have talked about the idea of showing who sells something in the market for various reasons, but I just noticed that it has implications that could make the current state especially off-putting. Because right now, when you buy anything, you can not choose from who you buy, and that can't just be someone from a warring faction or anything purely game related, but it can cause tensions regarding the TOS.
I won't mention character names here, because that's not my point, but imagine you buy from someone who has something in his bio that is offensive to you personally or has named his character after someone that might clash with the TOS, or even if not, it creates a problem.
Personally, I don't 'explode' when something like that happens, but I can imagine many people might react appalled. For example, I really don't mind how people name their game character or what they write in their bio, but when the game in a way can coerce you into doing business with them, that might be a different story.
I was inspired to point this out because I'm well versed in world affairs and recently I bought something and then noticed in my wallet that the character I bought it from is named after a worldwide criminal who is responsible for a lot of death, pain and suffering, including children starving to death. It might be tricky though, because it's an 'establishment criminal', too powerful and influential for many people to acknowledge his cruel deeds.
And again, I can perfectly handle that as long as people don't play like they impersonate that real life person, but I'd REALLY prefer being able to not do business with them.
I could say who it is in this specific case, because it might clarify what I mean a bit, but I know when emotions are involved, people might ignore what I wrote and perceive it as an aimed, general aversion. There actually seem to be many character names in the game that don't adhere to the TOS, but it seems CCP only takes action when someone feels offended, and I think this is good, because why create artificial tensions when none would have arisen in the first place, because players are tolerant?

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.12.19 17:57:00 - [2]
 

I am not sure exactly your point. If you could edit your post and perhaps use bold paragraph summaries.

Are you asking if there is a way to NOT deal with people on the public market? Yes, it's called contracts.

Otherwise, please re-state your point.

Niquita Serov
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.19 18:21:00 - [3]
 

I think he's trying to say he doesn't want to buy ammo from George Bush anymore.

DeadNite
Caldari
Detrimental Imperative
Posted - 2010.12.19 18:34:00 - [4]
 

His Point: Wanting to know who we are buying from so you ahve that information available to *insert own reason here*.

My Point: Brokers sell things for you anyways, any good criminal is not going to slap his name all over a product so you know it was him.

Owledge
Posted - 2010.12.19 18:55:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: DeadNite
My Point: Brokers sell things for you anyways, any good criminal is not going to slap his name all over a product so you know it was him.

But the broker is not really an anonymity system, because you see the name in your wallet log once you bought something.

And consider the possibility that this can even be favorable for the sellers, because being 'tricked' into giving someone money can create more anger than just seeing him TRYING to sell you something. And most people probably won't know the seller anyway, so no real problem.
In that way, anonymity could cause more problems than being open about it.

Do you happen to have any links or something to past discussions and results about the general idea of a non-anonymous market?

Rupicolous
Higher Ground
Posted - 2010.12.19 20:21:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Rupicolous on 19/12/2010 20:21:43

It seems to me that the name becomes available after a sell/purchase to allow "market PvP" as an after thought.

It would seem more reasonable to simply allow the seller/buyer to be visible from the get go.

This would encourage alliance members to buy or not buy based on political alignment rather than just price point or location.


Hiram Alexander
Caldari
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2010.12.20 13:10:00 - [7]
 

I'm tempted to vote against this, as an ex-trader I can only envision grief and hassle; people having to stay logged in overnight, to try and 'outsmart' their competitors, etc... Jita would have so many more pilots logged in system it wouldn't even be funny.

However, from a roleplay perspective (the only perspective that, I feel, gives this idea any value...) - It's very interesting.

Although, to keep it balanced, the Traders themselves would require the right of refusal. "I don't like you, or your Corp; shop elsewhere - I have 'Right-of-Sale' here, and in every station for three jumps; so unless you want to hang around and hope for a better deal, clear off. We're closed..."

But good luck getting it incorporated. They still won't let us look out the station windows to see who's camping the undock...


--HA

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2010.12.20 15:04:00 - [8]
 

The anonymous market is mostly there to promote a real free market, it also has the side effect of making RMT 'whitewashing' close to impossible.

Owledge
Posted - 2010.12.20 15:27:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Owledge on 20/12/2010 17:24:57
Edited by: Owledge on 20/12/2010 15:27:35
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
The anonymous market is mostly there to promote a real free market, it also has the side effect of making RMT 'whitewashing' close to impossible.

How is it a 'free market' if buyers can't choose who to buy from (not even from which anonymous offerer!) and sellers can't choose who to sell to?

P.S.: As a sidenote, I find it interesting that considering other rules of the game, contracts between companies are visible in all detail to everybody. What purpose does that serve?

Kalia Masaer
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Posted - 2010.12.21 03:20:00 - [10]
 

Really the change wouldn't do anything as people would just use alts so you wouldn't know who you were buying from anyway.

Space Pinata
Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
Posted - 2010.12.21 07:04:00 - [11]
 

Old idea is old.

And just as stupid as ever.

ITT: You think you can trace the orange juice you buy at a grocery store back to the person who grew the oranges.

All this would do is make the process of selling more tedious for everyone.

Caldari 5
Amarr
The Element Syndicate
Blazing Angels Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.21 07:15:00 - [12]
 

Hrmmmmm this would have interesting effects when I've done market manipulation(buying every unit of 1 item in the region and then selling it back to the region at an inflated price). Seeing that Everything in the Region is sold by the same guy, might be a little odd :)


 

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