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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:33:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: MAX MEXX
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: MAX MEXX

So using a ecm burst to aggro ships inside a pos does not sound like a exploit?
Using smartbombs inside the pos was deemed a exploit, and is now not possible anymore.

At risk of pointing out the obvious: Smartbombs could destroy POS modules and ships while not being able to be targeted. ECM Burst does nothing offensive, aside from giving anyone inside an aggro timer.

That is just worce, it gives the ship NO information about beeing agrroed at all!
So the pilot wil loggoff without even knowing it has agrro!

A pilot who logs off in a POS with shabby security (password known by everyone in the alliance and his dog) and people close by who then bump him out of the field.
Can't see a problem with this.
If one can afford a SC or Titan and doesn't have his own freaking POS in his own freaking corp as a hangar he's doing it wrong.

I too park my Bhaalgorn at a safespot within 5AU of Jita 4-4 and eject from the ship and expect to find it right there 10 hours later.
Suuuuuuureeee.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:33:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: MAX MEXX

That is just worce, it gives the ship NO information about beeing agrroed at all!
So the pilot wil loggoff without even knowing it has agrro!


I'm not saying it is a great mechanic. POS based on standings, and having visible Aggro timers in 0.0 are two of the most supported features in the Assembly Hall. If you want it to be declared an exploit, I recommend petitioning/bug reporting it. You can avoid this feature by simply having semi-decent security by avoiding POS which have a Password, and obviously not recruiting obvious spies.

Until CCP declare it an exploit, or better features are put in, I'd suggest coping with it rather than calling PL hackers and noobs for playing the game mechanics to their advantage.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:44:00 - [33]
 

Having a ship you can't dock, being forced into that ship forever unless you want to loose it or it gets blown up, paying for that training for months and months, and on top of that needing another account so you can deploy the thing, is the biggest exploit of all.

You are all very funny.

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:53:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: dkbjitawhore
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Remove passwords from POS's and Jump Bridges.


They would have to add access by standing, or say **** you to any multi-alliance entity.


This part.

Phony
Posted - 2010.12.19 10:41:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Newsflash
pandemic legion uses this **** to kill supers all the time. and not even bothering to mention all other haxploits they use. just ban that whole cheater alliance allready.

dont 4get the dreaded sphere mahhhhhhaaaaahahahahahahahhaaaaa

The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.19 10:48:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Ildryn
Look no one has any proof PL has ever used any cheat, exploits, hacks, or third party programs.

I mean look at some of their best killers. The Monkeysphere for instance.

He is a shining beacon of how great they all are.Rolling Eyes



I agree ban them all.


Are you calling me a cheater?

Because well, you see, cheaters get banned. I, however, have never been banned.

Also free karttoon

Bobbechk
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.19 10:52:00 - [37]
 

maby you should put all NC alliances into one single super-massive alliance, then you would not be having this problem you know

Cilia Sundara
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.19 10:54:00 - [38]
 

Sitting all your supercaps inside shared POSes that all have the same passwords, then idling for hours on end, often gets your supercaps killed.

bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.19 11:22:00 - [39]
 

Are all the NC alts now comming to EVE General to whine after they got trolled to **** on KŁgŁtsŁmen.com ? Please don`t Sad

Just accept the fact that 99.5% of your BFF buddies are clueless minions. Your leaders just need you to get their moons back so they can RMT the ISK for new house/teeth/car/wife. Get rid of the NC chains little grunts and head to the only place in EVE were your ( low ) skill doesnt matter ( inside a high sec station ).




Marak Mocam
Posted - 2010.12.19 13:13:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

Originally by: Ay Liz
His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected.

Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more

...
There is no pos bowling or even 30km ecm burst involved (that's a supercap mod) Just because some people have no idea how eve works, this doesn't mean that hacking was involved.

We are quite happy some alliances make it so easy for us to gank titans. Thank you.


I'm not sure what you mean by super cap only on 30km ranged ECM burst.

Scorpion fit as follows (just for example):
Caldari BS 5 skill, etc...

ECM Burst II

3 rigs:
Large Particle Dispersion Projector II
Large Particle Dispersion Projector II
Large Particle Dispersion Projector I

Optimal: 30,514
Falloff: 12,000

That's a bit over 30km range for an ECM burst, at 15.75 strength, and not from a super capital ship. It's doable - check it yourself - though, from your statement, that's not what you're doing.

PS: I only know about this because I was hoping that ECM Burst might decloak ships. It doesn't. If it did when the target is successfully jammed, that would remove a lot of "can't find them" arguments without adding any tools to the game. Oh well, a bit of ECM trivia learned...

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2010.12.19 14:55:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: dkbjitawhore
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Remove passwords from POS's and Jump Bridges.


They would have to add access by standing, or say **** you to any multi-alliance entity.


never heard of damage limitation / over exposure?




Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.19 17:46:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Marak Mocam
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

Originally by: Ay Liz
His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected.

Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more

...
There is no pos bowling or even 30km ecm burst involved (that's a supercap mod) Just because some people have no idea how eve works, this doesn't mean that hacking was involved.

We are quite happy some alliances make it so easy for us to gank titans. Thank you.


I'm not sure what you mean by super cap only on 30km ranged ECM burst.

Scorpion fit as follows (just for example):
Caldari BS 5 skill, etc...

ECM Burst II

3 rigs:
Large Particle Dispersion Projector II
Large Particle Dispersion Projector II
Large Particle Dispersion Projector I

Optimal: 30,514
Falloff: 12,000

That's a bit over 30km range for an ECM burst, at 15.75 strength, and not from a super capital ship. It's doable - check it yourself - though, from your statement, that's not what you're doing.

PS: I only know about this because I was hoping that ECM Burst might decloak ships. It doesn't. If it did when the target is successfully jammed, that would remove a lot of "can't find them" arguments without adding any tools to the game. Oh well, a bit of ECM trivia learned...


Yea, PL is well known for the scorpions found on Supercap kill mails....

Cletus Graeme
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.19 18:31:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Newsflash
shut up cheater. i hope ccp sees your exploiting alliance what it is soon and bans all youre cheating asses.


U mad?

Vipy Styx
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.19 19:09:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Ildryn
Look no one has any proof PL has ever used any cheat, exploits, hacks, or third party programs.

I mean look at some of their best killers. The Monkeysphere for instance.

He is a shining beacon of how great they all are.Rolling Eyes



I agree ban them all.


Laughing do you need a Wambulance?

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.12.20 11:40:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Having a ship you can't dock, being forced into that ship forever unless you want to loose it or it gets blown up, paying for that training for months and months, and on top of that needing another account so you can deploy the thing, is the biggest exploit of all.

You are all very funny.


Actually the main opinion of SCs balance is that they are currently overpowered and completely make Dreadnaughts worthless.

MAX MEXX
Posted - 2010.12.21 18:13:00 - [46]
 

Happend again..

Somthing shuld realy be changed about this game mec.
You shuld not be able to agrro things inside a pos,

Only this single moddule can becous it's bugged probably..

Smartbombs are the only other AEO wepon ingame, and it does not work inside a forcefield Reason this was changed... was becous it was used to do this exact same thing some years ago..


Ribeye Jaksom
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.21 18:43:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: MAX MEXX
Happend again..

Somthing shuld realy be changed about this game mec.
You shuld not be able to agrro things inside a pos,






Haha CCP will never change this -- they probably secretly love it. It's a nice solution to get some supers out of the game.

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2010.12.21 19:34:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Having a ship you can't dock, being forced into that ship forever unless you want to loose it or it gets blown up, paying for that training for months and months, and on top of that needing another account so you can deploy the thing, is the biggest exploit of all.

You are all very funny.
Whats really funny is all that time and effort was supposed to be a deterrent to fielding large amounts of supercaps.

So the jokes on CCP.

Pheusia
Gallente
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.12.21 20:59:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: MAX MEXX
Is anything else able to agrro things while INSIDE a forcefiled?



Yes.

MAX MEXX
Posted - 2010.12.21 22:50:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Pheusia
Originally by: MAX MEXX
Is anything else able to agrro things while INSIDE a forcefiled?



Yes.


What mods please :)?

Akov Stohs
Windowlickers Inc
Posted - 2010.12.21 23:53:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Akov Stohs on 22/12/2010 00:09:21
Edited by: Akov Stohs on 21/12/2010 23:58:25
Will say when i watched that Lev kill on youtube, saying that you had 15 minutes to kill him before bumping him out was interesting. Was curious how you knew he was aggroed prior to jumping in?

edit:
Also check out 'Ass Holy' on that same Lev kill, ECM bomb from a stealth bomber that does no other damage....

2nd edit:
This is the Inturist kill against Rol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=139QTgxpvbI
Note them talking about the aggro timer, and the pilot being offline on ts.

From the kill mail:
Crimson Dregg (none pl spy?) with an ecm burst

plastastic
Posted - 2010.12.22 00:13:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Marak Mocam
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

Originally by: Ay Liz
His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected.

Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more

...
There is no pos bowling or even 30km ecm burst involved (that's a supercap mod) Just because some people have no idea how eve works, this doesn't mean that hacking was involved.

We are quite happy some alliances make it so easy for us to gank titans. Thank you.


I'm not sure what you mean by super cap only on 30km ranged ECM burst.

Scorpion fit as follows (just for example):
Caldari BS 5 skill, etc...

ECM Burst II

3 rigs:
Large Particle Dispersion Projector II
Large Particle Dispersion Projector II
Large Particle Dispersion Projector I

Optimal: 30,514
Falloff: 12,000

That's a bit over 30km range for an ECM burst, at 15.75 strength, and not from a super capital ship. It's doable - check it yourself - though, from your statement, that's not what you're doing.

PS: I only know about this because I was hoping that ECM Burst might decloak ships. It doesn't. If it did when the target is successfully jammed, that would remove a lot of "can't find them" arguments without adding any tools to the game. Oh well, a bit of ECM trivia learned...

A remote ECM burst is a mother ship mod. lock the pos and use the mod on it. Every ship within 30km is now aggroed. (This has been around as long as pos bowling just no one did this as often so it wasn't removed)

I don't think normal ECM burst penetrate shields (like smart bombs,old titan DD,bombs)

Akov Stohs
Windowlickers Inc
Posted - 2010.12.22 00:16:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Akov Stohs on 22/12/2010 00:22:05
Originally by: plastastic
I don't think normal ECM burst penetrate shields (like smart bombs,old titan DD,bombs)


Going back and looking at all the PL ganks, every single titan has some ship with a ECM Burst or Bomb on the kill mail with no damage done. Thats....suspicious.

Edit:

Excepting the ratting Titan...that was lawl

MAX MEXX
Posted - 2011.01.02 21:29:00 - [54]
 

Bump :)

tournament betting
Posted - 2011.01.02 21:55:00 - [55]
 

using this tactis is not an exploit, but the very least ccp could do is develope a message of some kind, ensuring the titan pilot knows he has agro. It may not make much difference to the outcome but hopefully he would go down fighting rather than trying to save a doomed ship.

In eve its not about numbers, its not about skills, its wbout who has the most informaton adn is best with it!

I also fully support, setting pos access to standing rather than pw. and ensure electronic warfare weapons cannot penetrate a pos forcefield!

Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
Posted - 2011.01.02 22:52:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Ay Liz
Edited by: Ay Liz on 18/12/2010 16:56:36
Originally by: Sardon Darkstar
Still, how to get INSIDE the shield to bump out the ships?
The only way is to know the pos password, which means spies, which means corp negligence.


His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected.

Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more.

Edit: Well.. or you could just kill the hostiles that ECM Burst you.. but that is obviously no option for the OP.


The other option is to light a cyno somewhere safe, time the cyno ship's self destruct properly, jump out and log fast.

Don Kartel
Posted - 2011.01.03 04:12:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Akov Stohs
Edited by: Akov Stohs on 22/12/2010 00:09:21
Edited by: Akov Stohs on 21/12/2010 23:58:25
Will say when i watched that Lev kill on youtube, saying that you had 15 minutes to kill him before bumping him out was interesting. Was curious how you knew he was aggroed prior to jumping in?

edit:
Also check out 'Ass Holy' on that same Lev kill, ECM bomb from a stealth bomber that does no other damage....

2nd edit:
This is the Inturist kill against Rol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=139QTgxpvbI
Note them talking about the aggro timer, and the pilot being offline on ts.

From the kill mail:
Crimson Dregg (none pl spy?) with an ecm burst



Lamest tactic in game to date. Intentionally using game mechanics to allow you to kill a supercaps when thay are logged off?

But we all know what happens when you try kill them when they actually know about it don't we ? What is it now 8-9 Titans you lost this week PL. Now that is funny as hell. What goes around, comes around.


Dana Jin
Posted - 2011.01.03 04:42:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Dana Jin on 03/01/2011 04:44:20

/Grabs a torch and lead pipe.
Kill them, burn them all!!

Am I doin it right?

Space Pinata
Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
Posted - 2011.01.03 05:53:00 - [59]
 

'Super Elite Hardcorez PVP Alliance' uses unintended tactics not yet labeled as exploits.

Stop the presses. Rolling Eyes

Ever since EVE came out, people have been using BS to win, and justifying it with more BS about how it totally makes sense.

(On the other hand, logging out to save a ship doesn't make any sense either, it's just the more common and universally accepted form of BSing game mechanics to win.)

Wasn't it you NC people who spammed BS contracts in local as a hostile fleet tried to jump in, to lag them all out? Laughing

This is just another POS bowling, intentional node crashing, carrier-ejecting-shuttles, hauler of bookmarks, invisible in local, logoffski, ferrogel duping, yadda yadda yadda...


...Just business as usual in 0.0, where people will try to cut your power lines to kill a titan. Laughing

Honestly, as sad as it is, why is anyone surprised that nullsec alliances on every side are meta-gaming as hard as possible without getting banhammered?

Kogh Ayon
Posted - 2011.01.03 10:20:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 03/01/2011 10:20:13
Just log off the REALSTIC game.

They wanted to make this game REALSTIC ignoring the basis that how a game should be and the reason why people playing this game. However there is no way for them to fix expolits like logoff and docking game. And it's their own mistake to they have to keep people like that PL guy who saying "I'm not cheating because they didn't ban me"Very Happy


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