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MAX MEXX
Posted - 2010.12.18 13:17:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: MAX MEXX on 21/12/2010 18:13:41
Heard some noob aliances where using this to kill supercaps,
First fire ecm burst on object outside pos ( this wil agro everyting inside the pos and in 30km range)

Then bump the ship outside pos and kill it.

Aperently this is not a expolit,

Sardon Darkstar
Caldari
0ne Percent.
Posted - 2010.12.18 13:20:00 - [2]
 

Sounds like fun but ehh, how do you think you can get inside the shield to bump the supercaps, or even the noobship for that matter, out of the pos shield hmm? Firing ecm burst does nothing at all.

raukosen
Posted - 2010.12.18 14:34:00 - [3]
 

The point is that if you notice you're getting bumped you can't log off, since you're aggroed

dkbjitawhore
Posted - 2010.12.18 14:50:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: raukosen
The point is that if you notice you're getting bumped you can't log off, since you're aggroed


And how do you know you have been ECM bursted when you there is no chance to have a target be interrupted as you cannot target anything when inside a pos.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2010.12.18 14:54:00 - [5]
 

The lame meta-gaming "tactics" are too numerous to count.

Unfortunately a lot of people are incapable of winning without resorting to them. As much a flaw in the individuals as it is with the game.

The "POS **** Cage" where you bubble it every way 'til Sunday to prevent escape also aggresses due to being scrambled I think.
Pretty bad shielding if it can't even keep electro-magnetics from penetrating Very Happy

Newsflash
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.12.18 16:36:00 - [6]
 

pandemic legion uses this **** to kill supers all the time. and not even bothering to mention all other haxploits they use. just ban that whole cheater alliance allready.

Sardon Darkstar
Caldari
0ne Percent.
Posted - 2010.12.18 16:49:00 - [7]
 

Still, how to get INSIDE the shield to bump out the ships?
The only way is to know the pos password, which means spies, which means corp negligence.

Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2010.12.18 16:52:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Iamien on 18/12/2010 16:57:33
I wasn't there but if it was a JB pos then the password is known by the entire coalition. Even changing the JB passes often would be futile. With that said, not having a non-JB pos in system(or not using it) was not the best move.


Ay Liz
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2010.12.18 16:54:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Ay Liz on 18/12/2010 16:56:36
Originally by: Sardon Darkstar
Still, how to get INSIDE the shield to bump out the ships?
The only way is to know the pos password, which means spies, which means corp negligence.


His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected.

Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more.

Edit: Well.. or you could just kill the hostiles that ECM Burst you.. but that is obviously no option for the OP.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.12.18 16:55:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Sardon Darkstar
Still, how to get INSIDE the shield to bump out the ships?
The only way is to know the pos password, which means spies, which means corp negligence.


It's called pos bowling and was labeled an exploit back in 2007. I wont discuss how it is done, but the pos tower is still slightly broken.

Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.18 17:38:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Newsflash
pandemic legion uses this **** to kill supers all the time. and not even bothering to mention all other haxploits they use. just ban that whole cheater alliance allready.


Put the pitchforks down, you'll hurt yourself.

Originally by: Ay Liz
His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected.

Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more


When you log off inside a shield you stay there until you vanish, how do you not know this.

The biggest crime here is how a massive alliance can continually leave super caps alone in a JB pos with a known password, then fail to defend it despite having a 500man fleet up 8 jumps away.

There is no pos bowling or even 30km ecm burst involved (that's a supercap mod) Just because some people have no idea how eve works, this doesn't mean that hacking was involved.

We are quite happy some alliances make it so easy for us to gank titans. Thank you.

Newsflash
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.12.18 17:49:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Newsflash
pandemic legion uses this **** to kill supers all the time. and not even bothering to mention all other haxploits they use. just ban that whole cheater alliance allready.


Put the pitchforks down, you'll hurt yourself.

Originally by: Ay Liz
His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected.

Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more


When you log off inside a shield you stay there until you vanish, how do you not know this.

The biggest crime here is how a massive alliance can continually leave super caps alone in a JB pos with a known password, then fail to defend it despite having a 500man fleet up 8 jumps away.

There is no pos bowling or even 30km ecm burst involved (that's a supercap mod) Just because some people have no idea how eve works, this doesn't mean that hacking was involved.

We are quite happy some alliances make it so easy for us to gank titans. Thank you.


shut up cheater. i hope ccp sees your exploiting alliance what it is soon and bans all youre cheating asses.

Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.18 18:17:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Newsflash

shut up cheater. i hope ccp sees your exploiting alliance what it is soon and bans all youre cheating asses.



A very well thought out post highlighting the evidence in an ordered list.

Pride of the North


Ay Liz
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2010.12.18 19:21:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

When you log off inside a shield you stay there until you vanish, how do you not know this.


Because i always saw people warp off when they logged out in a POS? I dont know.. Now that you talk about this.. Why do i always warp back to the POS after logging in? This implies i warp off when logging off inside POS Shields.

Am i missing something?

Medidranda Livoga
Posted - 2010.12.18 19:24:00 - [15]
 

POS bowling was done without POS password, PL are just doing old fashioned spy teh password and warp bumpage routine. Keeping your ship in public pos alone is just stupid, if you can afford supercap you can have your own pos too I think.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.12.18 19:40:00 - [16]
 

Pos bowling (not knowing pos password, warping a large ship to the tower which enters the shields due to warp, and then collide with ships inside, bumping them out) is labeled as exploit.

Pos bumping (knowing pos password, entering pos shields in a legit way and then bumping ships out of the shields) is not (yet?) forbidden.


Bumping can easily be prevented by having a private pos, not sharing the pos password.

Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.18 19:44:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ay Liz

Because i always saw people warp off when they logged out in a POS? I dont know.. Now that you talk about this.. Why do i always warp back to the POS after logging in? This implies i warp off when logging off inside POS Shields.

Am i missing something?


No, you do APPEAR 1mil km from where you logged off, but you disappear inside shield. Next time someone logs off a super at pos, have a look. Also if you log off inside the pos and warp back when you log in, this ewarp will ignore any bubbles, and you will land where you logged off.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2010.12.18 19:45:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Ay Liz

Because i always saw people warp off when they logged out in a POS?


Ships don't warp out of a POS when they log out. They sit there until the timer is up then vanish. When they log back in they are at the emergency warp location and will warp back to the POS.


Ay Liz
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2010.12.18 19:46:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Ay Liz

Because i always saw people warp off when they logged out in a POS? I dont know.. Now that you talk about this.. Why do i always warp back to the POS after logging in? This implies i warp off when logging off inside POS Shields.

Am i missing something?


No, you do APPEAR 1mil km from where you logged off, but you disappear inside shield. Next time someone logs off a super at pos, have a look. Also if you log off inside the pos and warp back when you log in, this ewarp will ignore any bubbles, and you will land where you logged off.


OK, i will have a look next time. And thanks for the explanation for the warp on login. I always thought the reason i warp back is coz the ship warped away like anywhere else. Neutral

Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
Posted - 2010.12.18 20:59:00 - [20]
 

ITT: some people that dont know game mechanics and calling people that do, hackers.


MAX MEXX
Posted - 2010.12.19 08:31:00 - [21]
 

Is anything else able to agrro things while INSIDE a forcefiled?

I for one remember when a micro smartbomb was used to agrro a NC titan some time back and everyone called for hacks/exploits....

Nothing shuld be able to agro anything inside a pos forcefiled, a ecm burst wil not even shop upp in any "visual" form so the pilot wil not even have any idea that it's agroed...

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.12.19 08:58:00 - [22]
 

You use the ECM Burst inside the POS, not outside it. And obviously you need the POS Password to be able to do this. If Super-Capital pilots idol in POS that have been compromised by hostiles, then they deserve to die, especially if they are in POS that have the password given out to loads of different alliances (like multi-alliance staging POS, Jump Bridge POS, etc.).

Set up a seperate tower that is corp/alliance only. And 95% of the time the dumb super capitals wouldn't have died.

Ildryn
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:01:00 - [23]
 

Look no one has any proof PL has ever used any cheat, exploits, hacks, or third party programs.

I mean look at some of their best killers. The Monkeysphere for instance.

He is a shining beacon of how great they all are.Rolling Eyes



I agree ban them all.

MAX MEXX
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:02:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
You use the ECM Burst inside the POS, not outside it. And obviously you need the POS Password to be able to do this. If Super-Capital pilots idol in POS that have been compromised by hostiles, then they deserve to die, especially if they are in POS that have the password given out to loads of different alliances (like multi-alliance staging POS, Jump Bridge POS, etc.).

Set up a seperate tower that is corp/alliance only. And 95% of the time the dumb super capitals wouldn't have died.


So using a ecm burst to aggro ships inside a pos does not sound like a exploit?

Using smartbombs inside the pos was deemed a exploit, and is now not possible anymore.


Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:08:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: MAX MEXX


So using a ecm burst to aggro ships inside a pos does not sound like a exploit?

Using smartbombs inside the pos was deemed a exploit, and is now not possible anymore.




At risk of pointing out the obvious: Smartbombs could destroy POS modules and ships while not being able to be targeted. ECM Burst does nothing offensive, aside from giving anyone inside an aggro timer.

dkbjitawhore
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:11:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: MAX MEXX


So using a ecm burst to aggro ships inside a pos does not sound like a exploit?

Using smartbombs inside the pos was deemed a exploit, and is now not possible anymore.




At risk of pointing out the obvious: Smartbombs could destroy POS modules and ships while not being able to be targeted. ECM Burst does nothing offensive, aside from giving anyone inside an aggro timer.


Breaks the locks of pos gunners? Not sure on this, I am not a pos gunnar.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:15:00 - [27]
 

It does not effect POS gunners in anyway

MAX MEXX
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:18:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: MAX MEXX


So using a ecm burst to aggro ships inside a pos does not sound like a exploit?

Using smartbombs inside the pos was deemed a exploit, and is now not possible anymore.




At risk of pointing out the obvious: Smartbombs could destroy POS modules and ships while not being able to be targeted. ECM Burst does nothing offensive, aside from giving anyone inside an aggro timer.



That is just worce, it gives the ship NO information about beeing agrroed at all!
So the pilot wil loggoff without even knowing it has agrro!

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:21:00 - [29]
 

Remove passwords from POS's and Jump Bridges.

dkbjitawhore
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:23:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
Remove passwords from POS's and Jump Bridges.


They would have to add access by standing, or say **** you to any multi-alliance entity.


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