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Apsidia
Very Industrial Corp.
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.01.04 06:32:00 - [601]
 

Edited by: Apsidia on 04/01/2011 06:50:03
I personally, am afraid that on January, 18th we will see the poorest on functionality and possibilities the new character creation tool in which simply we will not want to alter the characters and we will be compelled to press constantly the button "No! I don't want to recreate now", on the login screen.
It will appear that developers didn't read this theme and to write in this topic, there was no sense.
Sad

Hesperius
Posted - 2011.01.04 10:28:00 - [602]
 

When taking a snapshot we need to be able to move the camera up more. A lot of the time you end up having to switch everything around because the top of the head gets chopped off for the pic.

Svarg Orlyviir
Posted - 2011.01.04 10:50:00 - [603]
 

Maybe it only my experience, but on 1920x1080 4 little 'photos' from which i am to choose final portrait looks too small. It's hard to see details on them and decide is it good or not

Pasmerktas
Posted - 2011.01.04 12:19:00 - [604]
 

I really don't know how are they planning to finish it until 18th. Rolling Eyes

Turay
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.01.04 12:33:00 - [605]
 

Maybe the current SiSi version is an older one. Unfortunately we do not get any statement from CCP here.

Rek Seven
Gallente
Zandathorn Industries
Posted - 2011.01.04 12:39:00 - [606]
 

I am not normally a guy that cries ďracismĒ but i feel this really needs to be looked at when the character creator is released.

In role playing games I like to create a character that looks somewhat like me. However, after selecting Gallante as my in-game race i was disappointed to find that i could not create a dark skinned character. Then after looking a bit deeper into the issue, i was disturbed to find that the only dark skinned characters in the game belong to a slave race.

Now, i donít know how things are in Iceland or what sort of box the developers live in but this just seems plan wrong to me. I could write this off as an oversight when they created the game but after trying out the new character creator, it appears that this original design choice remains.

I feel that strongly about this that if the final character creator does not allow me choose my skin tone, I will write to several games media outlets to try and get some mainstream attention... If such a fuss was made of resident evil 5 only having black zombies, iím pretty sure some people will be interested to learn that if you want to be black in eve, you have to be a slave.

I hope you understand where iím coming from.

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2011.01.04 13:23:00 - [607]
 

Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 04/01/2011 13:28:57
dude, you have to chill. this is a game. which has slavery in it. and people can shoot you in the face and get away with. by paying the police.

seriously, chill. and let CCP complete it first.

edit: by being Brutor you are NOT a slave. only one of the ancestries is related to slavery ("Slave Child"), and even this doesn't make you a slave.

Joshua Deakin
Posted - 2011.01.04 13:48:00 - [608]
 

Originally by: Rek Seven
after selecting Gallante as my in-game race i was disappointed to find that i could not create a dark skinned character. Then after looking a bit deeper into the issue, i was disturbed to find that the only dark skinned characters in the game belong to a slave race.


I think many color choices are still just placeholders. CCP has said that Gallente will also have dark skin tones available.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.04 14:03:00 - [609]
 

Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 04/01/2011 14:03:57
Originally by: Rek Seven
I am not normally a guy that cries ďracismĒ but i feel this really needs to be looked at when the character creator is released.

In role playing games I like to create a character that looks somewhat like me. However, after selecting Gallante as my in-game race i was disappointed to find that i could not create a dark skinned character. Then after looking a bit deeper into the issue, i was disturbed to find that the only dark skinned characters in the game belong to a slave race.

Now, i donít know how things are in Iceland or what sort of box the developers live in but this just seems plan wrong to me. I could write this off as an oversight when they created the game but after trying out the new character creator, it appears that this original design choice remains.

I feel that strongly about this that if the final character creator does not allow me choose my skin tone, I will write to several games media outlets to try and get some mainstream attention... If such a fuss was made of resident evil 5 only having black zombies, iím pretty sure some people will be interested to learn that if you want to be black in eve, you have to be a slave.

I hope you understand where iím coming from.



Speaking of racism, I am really disappointed that my nationality is only seen as bad guys in Bond movies. There is also an entire faction of ultra-nationalists in EVE lead by a supreme dictator.

The "slave race" has also a bloodline with a skin that reminds me of white cheddar cheese and an asian looking bloodline.

Gallente never had a really dark skinned bloodline, but still it would okay for me to have one, if CCP will give us blonde Khanid and Sebiestors. Cool

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.04 14:10:00 - [610]
 

Originally by: Rek Seven
I am not normally a guy that cries ďracismĒ but i feel this really needs to be looked at when the character creator is released.

In role playing games I like to create a character that looks somewhat like me. However, after selecting Gallante as my in-game race i was disappointed to find that i could not create a dark skinned character. Then after looking a bit deeper into the issue, i was disturbed to find that the only dark skinned characters in the game belong to a slave race.

Now, i donít know how things are in Iceland or what sort of box the developers live in but this just seems plan wrong to me. I could write this off as an oversight when they created the game but after trying out the new character creator, it appears that this original design choice remains.

I feel that strongly about this that if the final character creator does not allow me choose my skin tone, I will write to several games media outlets to try and get some mainstream attention... If such a fuss was made of resident evil 5 only having black zombies, iím pretty sure some people will be interested to learn that if you want to be black in eve, you have to be a slave.

I hope you understand where iím coming from.



EVE lore means things should be as they are: each major race are both offspring of Earth colonists & the lone survivors of a catatrophe. Most of them spreaded from a single planet with homogenous population after trillions died after the catastrophe. Then they've been isolate for thousands of years striving to survive on their own and once they meet again there's not much interest for interbreeding as war has been the usual relationship between them until recent years before the game starts. This is why they're fairly homogeneous still, according to EVE lore facts. I mean, we can figure there could be mixed relations (romeo & juliet style) but, all in all, we're talking about capsuleers, which are one in 10.000 in New Eden... Do this people (capsuleers) even breed...? Confused

Alora s'Ffalenn
Posted - 2011.01.04 14:40:00 - [611]
 

I finally downloaded the sisi launcher and it worked great. clicked a few buttons and it did everything for me. Was a wonderful tool.
I woke up early today excited to play with the new character creator. Unfortunately my char doesn't have any skin. She's just a set of floating teeth. Its incredibly aggravating. Help?

Rek Seven
Gallente
Zandathorn Industries
Posted - 2011.01.04 14:44:00 - [612]
 

Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai


EVE lore means things should be as they are: each major race are both offspring of Earth colonists & the lone survivors of a catatrophe. Most of them spreaded from a single planet with homogenous population after trillions died after the catastrophe. Then they've been isolate for thousands of years striving to survive on their own and once they meet again there's not much interest for interbreeding as war has been the usual relationship between them until recent years before the game starts. This is why they're fairly homogeneous still, according to EVE lore facts. I mean, we can figure there could be mixed relations (romeo & juliet style) but, all in all, we're talking about capsuleers, which are one in 10.000 in New Eden... Do this people (capsuleers) even breed...? Confused



I havenít finished reading all the chronicles and i was wondering if EVE citizens came from Earth. I was sure that I read somewhere that they did which made this issue even more of a problem for me.

When people left earth did someone split the survivorsí into groups based on their skin colour and send them on separate paths? Did Caldari and Gallente evolve on a cold planet (which might explain their pale complexion)? Has concord imposed an apartheid that stops the different races interbreeding? So many questions... Smile

I know it may seem like a petty issue to some and i really hate having to bring the subject up but it does bother me.

Joshua Deakin
Posted - 2011.01.04 14:49:00 - [613]
 

Originally by: Alora s'Ffalenn
Unfortunately my char doesn't have any skin. She's just a set of floating teeth.


I haven't run into this problem, your symptoms are probably because of low settings combined with old graphics drivers. Try changing the quality settings inside Eve. What graphics card do you have?

Alora s'Ffalenn
Posted - 2011.01.04 15:08:00 - [614]
 

Originally by: Joshua Deakin
Originally by: Alora s'Ffalenn
Unfortunately my char doesn't have any skin. She's just a set of floating teeth.


I haven't run into this problem, your symptoms are probably because of low settings combined with old graphics drivers. Try changing the quality settings inside Eve. What graphics card do you have?


I have an ATI X1250 graphics card I'm told. I optimized all my eve setting for high quality. ugh

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2011.01.04 15:10:00 - [615]
 

Edited by: Nicholas Barker on 04/01/2011 15:13:32
Originally by: Rek Seven
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai


EVE lore means things should be as they are: each major race are both offspring of Earth colonists & the lone survivors of a catatrophe. Most of them spreaded from a single planet with homogenous population after trillions died after the catastrophe. Then they've been isolate for thousands of years striving to survive on their own and once they meet again there's not much interest for interbreeding as war has been the usual relationship between them until recent years before the game starts. This is why they're fairly homogeneous still, according to EVE lore facts. I mean, we can figure there could be mixed relations (romeo & juliet style) but, all in all, we're talking about capsuleers, which are one in 10.000 in New Eden... Do this people (capsuleers) even breed...? Confused



I havenít finished reading all the chronicles and i was wondering if EVE citizens came from Earth. I was sure that I read somewhere that they did which made this issue even more of a problem for me.

When people left earth did someone split the survivorsí into groups based on their skin colour and send them on separate paths? Did Caldari and Gallente evolve on a cold planet (which might explain their pale complexion)? Has concord imposed an apartheid that stops the different races interbreeding? So many questions... Smile

I know it may seem like a petty issue to some and i really hate having to bring the subject up but it does bother me.



stop bringing it up then, lol.

Anyway, Caldari do come from a cold planet. The one ancient story from their planet sounds very viking like, and involves a very very cold wind (It's more of a folk story i think).

You can however make very dark skinned caldari in the current (the one on tranq) char creator.

Gallente Prime is the next planet closer to the star in Luminaire, so is likely warmer. It's orbiting radius is actually almost 10au closer (4.4, instead of 14.1). On the new char creator the Gallente seem to look very Mediterranean or Israelite.

EDIT - EVE Chronicles - Cold Wind

Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.01.04 15:29:00 - [616]
 

Overall I'm very optimistic with the newest incarnation of it. One glaring bug (at least it doesn't work for me) is that the Opacity option on the female Eye Shadow isn't working, this makes it near impossible to use since the basic setting is almost always far to 'visible' if you get what I mean.
Anyone else getting this bug?

Svarg Orlyviir
Posted - 2011.01.04 15:34:00 - [617]
 

Yes. And i think that devs know about this bug too.

Joshua Deakin
Posted - 2011.01.04 16:58:00 - [618]
 

Edited by: Joshua Deakin on 04/01/2011 17:10:59
Originally by: Zora
Edited by: Zora on 03/01/2011 05:13:29
Well this is one of my first attempts at Zora 2011... not bad me thinks :)
Zora new

What's really annoying is that the whole thing seems to crash every hour or so. Maybe if your current draft would be saved regularly, you could resume your work (and not having to try to recreate everything, which is hard without sliders to look at).



I wanted to have a go with your original version of Zora. The Gallente Gallente female model is a bit hard to get a nice face similar to the old one which is very cute. Your new version has a really strong jawline, much softer in the original. Also the "mannequin/Harlequin" lip colors jump out really strong. I was able to juggle the lipstick colors nearer to your original.

Here's my version of you. The poses came out really nice which is surprising as the model overall is a bit all over the place. Check her out, I hope you like her:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-4/993391/Gallente_Gallente_female_Zora.jpgPlease visit your user settings to enable images.

Talin
Posted - 2011.01.04 17:01:00 - [619]
 

Originally by: Rek Seven
I am not normally a guy that cries ďracismĒ but i feel this really needs to be looked at when the character creator is released.

In role playing games I like to create a character that looks somewhat like me. However, after selecting Gallante as my in-game race i was disappointed to find that i could not create a dark skinned character. Then after looking a bit deeper into the issue, i was disturbed to find that the only dark skinned characters in the game belong to a slave race.

Now, i donít know how things are in Iceland or what sort of box the developers live in but this just seems plan wrong to me. I could write this off as an oversight when they created the game but after trying out the new character creator, it appears that this original design choice remains.

I feel that strongly about this that if the final character creator does not allow me choose my skin tone, I will write to several games media outlets to try and get some mainstream attention... If such a fuss was made of resident evil 5 only having black zombies, iím pretty sure some people will be interested to learn that if you want to be black in eve, you have to be a slave.

I hope you understand where iím coming from.



I find it odd that you seem so infuriated by this sudden realization about race an (supposed real life connotations)nationality when it has been in place since the game came out back in 2003. I also find it odd that your character right now, is no where NEAR dark skinned, even if you squint your eyes and look at him crooked, and yet you seem so completely set on voicing your concerns to the whole 'world'.

I also don't see were you get off about them being a Slave race. You will note if you look at that bloodline, it has several different skin tones and looks associated. Amarrian's are an equal opportunity enslaver. And given the chance they would enslave everyone in the EVE cluster, including Gallentean and Caldari.

Also this SLAVE race as you so put it isn't anymore. If you bother to READ the history of the Mimatar, you will realize they are were slaves that rebelled and fought off the Amarr mostly on their own. Created a Republic mostly ON THERE OWN, and have built a entire army MOST ON THERE OWN. They are a strong people who should be damn proud of there background, if someone is smart enough to read that background.

Blood lines are like ancestry in EVE. Everyone person on the planet if they tried could ferret out their ethnicity back to certain geographical locations across the world. All skin tone is, is a long held adaptation for humans to survive easier in a particular Location of the world.

The same basic premise applies in EVE, each of the Races developed down there own vanes when they were all locked away from each other with the sudden collapse of the EVE Super Gate. Some of them already had predispositions because they all originated from Earth, and eventually over the thousands years they were removed from each other they all bread into distinctive subgroups.

Since the character Creation system has been like this since EVE appeared I donít understand your sudden shock that you canít make someone with your skin tone. When honestly it appears you didnít have a problem with it when you first created your character.

This is not to say I donít support giving a broader range of options. Because I do, but Crying Racism, when there is a well defined Lore that support the choices CCP madeÖ while knowing full well what you were getting into when you first made your character.

Well thatís just downright disrespectful and trollish. Which honestly, is what I think you are.

I support more skin tones, but Racism should not be brought up here.


Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.01.04 17:27:00 - [620]
 

Alright, here's my attempt at a Khanid Female, I like the way it worked out, poses turned out better than expected.

Portraits It's supposed to be surprised/shocked, neutral and scared (from left to right)

Full Body


Rek Seven
Gallente
Zandathorn Industries
Posted - 2011.01.04 17:56:00 - [621]
 

Originally by: Talin

I find it odd that you seem so infuriated by this sudden realization about race an (supposed real life connotations)nationality when it has been in place since the game came out back in 2003. I also find it odd that your character right now, is no where NEAR dark skinned, even if you squint your eyes and look at him crooked, and yet you seem so completely set on voicing your concerns to the whole 'world'.

I also don't see were you get off about them being a Slave race. You will note if you look at that bloodline, it has several different skin tones and looks associated. Amarrian's are an equal opportunity enslaver. And given the chance they would enslave everyone in the EVE cluster, including Gallentean and Caldari.

Also this SLAVE race as you so put it isn't anymore. If you bother to READ the history of the Mimatar, you will realize they are were slaves that rebelled and fought off the Amarr mostly on their own. Created a Republic mostly ON THERE OWN, and have built a entire army MOST ON THERE OWN. They are a strong people who should be damn proud of there background, if someone is smart enough to read that background.

Blood lines are like ancestry in EVE. Everyone person on the planet if they tried could ferret out their ethnicity back to certain geographical locations across the world. All skin tone is, is a long held adaptation for humans to survive easier in a particular Location of the world.

The same basic premise applies in EVE, each of the Races developed down there own vanes when they were all locked away from each other with the sudden collapse of the EVE Super Gate. Some of them already had predispositions because they all originated from Earth, and eventually over the thousands years they were removed from each other they all bread into distinctive subgroups.

Since the character Creation system has been like this since EVE appeared I donít understand your sudden shock that you canít make someone with your skin tone. When honestly it appears you didnít have a problem with it when you first created your character.

This is not to say I donít support giving a broader range of options. Because I do, but Crying Racism, when there is a well defined Lore that support the choices CCP madeÖ while knowing full well what you were getting into when you first made your character.

Well thatís just downright disrespectful and trollish. Which honestly, is what I think you are.

I support more skin tones, but Racism should not be brought up here.





Thanks for your reply. It seems that you have not read or understood what i originally said and you make unfounded assumptions.

Firstly, i have not been playing the game for that long and i confused as to why that would matter considering that Iím raising the issue because the new character creator provides CCP the opportunity to amend the aspect of the game. Secondly, I already said: ďafter selecting Gallante as my in-game race i was disappointed to find that i could not create a dark skinned character.Ē Are you suggesting that i should have known that Gallente couldnít have dark skin before i played the game?

It may not be clear on paper but i am not ďInfuriatedĒ i am just saddened that if i want to create a dark skinned character with the corresponding facial features, i have to chose a race that were once slaves according to the back story. If you donít see how this could be viewed in a negative way by a new player (or the outside world) then i am wasting my time with you.

If there is some information explaining why Gallente is a white only club then please feel free to enlighten me but for now i have said my piece and Iím happy to leave it as that unless provoked by another such post.

Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.01.04 18:01:00 - [622]
 

Originally by: Rek Seven

Thanks for your reply. It seems that you have not read or understood what i originally said and you make unfounded assumptions.

Firstly, i have not been playing the game for that long and i confused as to why that would matter considering that Iím raising the issue because the new character creator provides CCP the opportunity to amend the aspect of the game. Secondly, I already said: ďafter selecting Gallante as my in-game race i was disappointed to find that i could not create a dark skinned character.Ē Are you suggesting that i should have known that Gallente couldnít have dark skin before i played the game?

It may not be clear on paper but i am not ďInfuriatedĒ i am just saddened that if i want to create a dark skinned character with the corresponding facial features, i have to chose a race that were once slaves according to the back story. If you donít see how this could be viewed in a negative way by a new player (or the outside world) then i am wasting my time with you.

If there is some information explaining why Gallente is a white only club then please feel free to enlighten me but for now i have said my piece and Iím happy to leave it as that unless provoked by another such post.



Gallente do have an Asian like bloodline btw.

Your Client
Posted - 2011.01.04 20:10:00 - [623]
 

Can someone please sedate the characters when I'm trying to operate on their faces?

It actually is rather annoying that they keep moving every time i'm about to tug on their nose a little. Every few seconds the character makes a "realistic" slight move. It looks pleasing, but its a pain to work on him that way. Maybe if there was a freeze or pause button.

Thanks.

44000
Posted - 2011.01.04 20:51:00 - [624]
 

Originally by: Alora s'Ffalenn
Originally by: Joshua Deakin
Originally by: Alora s'Ffalenn
Unfortunately my char doesn't have any skin. She's just a set of floating teeth.


I haven't run into this problem, your symptoms are probably because of low settings combined with old graphics drivers. Try changing the quality settings inside Eve. What graphics card do you have?


I have an ATI X1250 graphics card I'm told. I optimized all my eve setting for high quality. ugh



The way it works is our computers create an initial face and settings, we then hang onto it for about 24 hours until the server gets round to rendering this itself. It then stores the rendered image, and distributes it to the players when requested. (rather than how it is don now where the computer renders a portrait when u click on their link).

this is done for several reasons, such as these portraits can take a few seconds to render even for good computers, so slow ones will freek if you do it to them constantly. and also it allows ppl to make there face with all the setting on lowest incase thier computer cant hack the highest setting, yet, all the portraits in the game will have a very high finish (and consistant) detail on there portraits due to one computer doing them all on the highest settings.

CCP have asked you to report any bugs on this system which can be found on the forum testing index so they can get the sytem working well for launch, sorry, i am to lazy to link it. but i hope this helps you.

Drottnari
Posted - 2011.01.04 20:56:00 - [625]
 

I found some bugs with the new character creator
1. You can't adjust eyeshadow opacity, the small control window thing just fades away.
2. On some settings you need to change other settings to make the first adjustments work, for example if you want to change the characters eye colour you need to first select the †††colour and then change the eye for the colour to change.
3. Facial hair colour is somewhat bugged, I chose a black colour for my characters facial hair but it came out blond.

Otherwise it's an amazing character creator, works smooth and easy to handle.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.04 21:08:00 - [626]
 

Originally by: Rek Seven


If there is some information explaining why Gallente is a white only club then please feel free to enlighten me but for now i have said my piece and Iím happy to leave it as that unless provoked by another such post.



Short answer is: the Gallente are French. Actually it's the only race with a explicit Earth background; we are left to wonder where did the settlers came from in case of the other races, before the EVE supergate collapsed and left New Eden stranded, without enough resources and dwelling in planets barely inhabitable.

Delishandra Ptlaemaique
Posted - 2011.01.04 21:10:00 - [627]
 

First a technical point: I don't see any hair mesh. But then I have a low end system (NV 7600, shader quality to low or I die) and use linux (no other noticable problems though). Anybody else?

About the character creator: an awful lot of potential to be sure, and pretty things can be done. But as said elsewhere not enough customisation, on two front, one being maybe more important than the other:

-not enough cloth/accessories/tatoo/piercing/stuff. More will be added later I am sure, and there will be shops for that in ambulation I guess...

-It seems to me, quite counter-intuitively that there is not that much customisation of the basic face/body: no height (please tell me I just missed that one or that it will appear on the live version...), no overall face shape (longhish/ovalish etc...), nothing for the forehead...

And the available handle often boil down to one or two linear axis per area. Body outside the face have one (slim/fat), one for the chin, 2 or 3 for the mouth... As I remember, oblivion character creator (yes I am outdated a bit) had dozens of sliders. So yes you could end up with ridiculous stuff as a down side but still... Same for the colors: why constrain to a few hand picked colors? put the full stuff, at least as an option for those who want to take the time. Don't tell me people don't dye their hair in space...

(btw I support the 'bring back sliders' initiative,at least as an option; it certainly is cleaner than unclear stretching of an unknown number of handles)

Because anyway, backstory wise, if nothing else we can order tailor made clones to download ourself into to look the way we like (or plain plastic surgery), so the bloodline dna purity ethnicity discussion is kinda moot imho. And a crowd of crazed eggers that routinely die plugged into giant starship are bound to have 'varied looks' bordering to madeness/ridiculous/whatever-is-on-my-mind-today: a space station is not outside an office at 5pm (a la Mos Eisley cantina or Bladerunner). So just let people free, we can't do much worse/better than harajuku/akihabara in tokyo anyway...

Anyway just my 2 cents, maybe completely moot if what we test is just a gimped version of the full stff, but still. Overall a great tool, looking forward to it going live...

Indahmawar Fazmarai
Posted - 2011.01.04 21:11:00 - [628]
 

Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai on 04/01/2011 21:11:58
Originally by: Idicious Lightbane
Alright, here's my attempt at a Khanid Female, I like the way it worked out, poses turned out better than expected.

Portraits It's supposed to be surprised/shocked, neutral and scared (from left to right)

Full Body




This proves how Khanid females are the hottest, period.

Luma Rahl
Rage For Order
Angry Dogs
Posted - 2011.01.04 22:04:00 - [629]
 

Edited by: Luma Rahl on 04/01/2011 22:08:18
Not sure if this was covered before... but I can't seem to get my hair color to any kind of shade of red anymore. Had it working fine before but the red option seems to be missing now? In fact, the primary hair color options seem to be a bit lacking... or else they just aren't working properly atm. I can't tell which.

Indahmawar Fazmarai
Posted - 2011.01.04 23:29:00 - [630]
 

Originally by: Luma Rahl
Edited by: Luma Rahl on 04/01/2011 22:08:18
Not sure if this was covered before... but I can't seem to get my hair color to any kind of shade of red anymore. Had it working fine before but the red option seems to be missing now? In fact, the primary hair color options seem to be a bit lacking... or else they just aren't working properly atm. I can't tell which.


Hair colors are a bit tricky...you may get something reddish mixing a middle-of-range primary with the red secondary (at least for dark haired races like Khanid). Every primary+secondary produces a different color, plus there are dark-haired and nice-haired races... and some hairdo+colors mixes actually display primary-color roots and secondary-color tips, as in an old hair dye...


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