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Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:17:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Caldariftw123


Quoting what I said, because it answers what you are saying already, mr imbecile troll:

I disagree that this is a) not a whining bawbaw thread and b) that CCP should "fix this"

Had you actually read what I have said previously like you claim you will see that I have argued this is not a big issue at all, it is something CCP don't need to fix, and then someone told me I should "gtfo it's for people that wish to complain" where I said no, it's not, and that I can disagree with people in this thread if I wish. Mr imbecile troll please stop trying to tell me what I have said because I clearly know what I said, you however do not appear to.


I don't read anything you say actually to be honest, Not after you saying you wouldn't get about 10 remaps.

You truly lost all credibility to argue or even put your point across on this topic after that.


So you spent 2 posts trying to tell me I don't know what I am saying, then you blatantly say you didn't even read what I said? So you ARE troll and openly admit it, that makes sense.

Just because you fail to understand how 1 person couldn't care if someone else gets something when they do not does not mean it doesn't happen. Not EVERYONE in this game has to stomp on the other guy's fun in order to have his own. CCP: Give EVERYONE but me 10 remaps, honestly, I couldn't care 1 little bit. NOT ONE BIT. Why? because this would not affect me! You having a thousand remaps would not affect me, it doesn't change my character and it doesn't change what I do in the game.

Karia Sur
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:22:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123
......


the point is, CCP shouldnt diferentiate between users.......what 1 gets, ALL should get.

Commander Phoenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:23:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: Commander Phoenix


I also have another character who was created on 2010.01.10

Had used 1 of the 2 available remaps and didn't use the other one. He has now got 2 remaps, not 3 like my other character.


I also have yet another character created on 2009.11.30. Has used (at least) 1 remap and now has 3 available.

Winston Clarke
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:25:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Caldariftw123


Quoting what I said, because it answers what you are saying already, mr imbecile troll:

I disagree that this is a) not a whining bawbaw thread and b) that CCP should "fix this"

Had you actually read what I have said previously like you claim you will see that I have argued this is not a big issue at all, it is something CCP don't need to fix, and then someone told me I should "gtfo it's for people that wish to complain" where I said no, it's not, and that I can disagree with people in this thread if I wish. Mr imbecile troll please stop trying to tell me what I have said because I clearly know what I said, you however do not appear to.


I don't read anything you say actually to be honest, Not after you saying you wouldn't get about 10 remaps.

You truly lost all credibility to argue or even put your point across on this topic after that.


So you spent 2 posts trying to tell me I don't know what I am saying, then you blatantly say you didn't even read what I said? So you ARE troll and openly admit it, that makes sense.

Just because you fail to understand how 1 person couldn't care if someone else gets something when they do not does not mean it doesn't happen. Not EVERYONE in this game has to stomp on the other guy's fun in order to have his own. CCP: Give EVERYONE but me 10 remaps, honestly, I couldn't care 1 little bit. NOT ONE BIT. Why? because this would not affect me! You having a thousand remaps would not affect me, it doesn't change my character and it doesn't change what I do in the game.


So it would be ok if everyone but you got 10b isk and 10m sp?

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:27:00 - [245]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123

CCP: Give EVERYONE but me 10 remaps, honestly, I couldn't care 1 little bit. NOT ONE BIT. Why? because this would not affect me! You having a thousand remaps would not affect me, it doesn't change my character and it doesn't change what I do in the game.


Oh I wish this did happen.

It would change what you do in game because everyone had eventually be training faster than you and in time they would over take not neccessarily much younger players but players just a bit younger than you. You would see an influx of players who have skilled purely for one ship and have excellent skill sets and then skilled for something completely different.

Eventually with time every player would no doubt have better trade/industry/spaceship com/gun/mis than you etc and the only thing you would have is "experience". Which can only take you so far.

I stopped reading your posts because all you are going on is about how you disagree but not why other than you're not arsed or it doesn't bother you. Nothing really indepth enough to bat an eye lid at.

Sieges
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:29:00 - [246]
 

I did not get a remap. It says I need to wait until October 2011. But I guess it's all being worked on.

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:30:00 - [247]
 

Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 16/12/2010 17:33:47
Originally by: Winston Clarke
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Caldariftw123


Quoting what I said, because it answers what you are saying already, mr imbecile troll:

I disagree that this is a) not a whining bawbaw thread and b) that CCP should "fix this"

Had you actually read what I have said previously like you claim you will see that I have argued this is not a big issue at all, it is something CCP don't need to fix, and then someone told me I should "gtfo it's for people that wish to complain" where I said no, it's not, and that I can disagree with people in this thread if I wish. Mr imbecile troll please stop trying to tell me what I have said because I clearly know what I said, you however do not appear to.


I don't read anything you say actually to be honest, Not after you saying you wouldn't get about 10 remaps.

You truly lost all credibility to argue or even put your point across on this topic after that.


So you spent 2 posts trying to tell me I don't know what I am saying, then you blatantly say you didn't even read what I said? So you ARE troll and openly admit it, that makes sense.

Just because you fail to understand how 1 person couldn't care if someone else gets something when they do not does not mean it doesn't happen. Not EVERYONE in this game has to stomp on the other guy's fun in order to have his own. CCP: Give EVERYONE but me 10 remaps, honestly, I couldn't care 1 little bit. NOT ONE BIT. Why? because this would not affect me! You having a thousand remaps would not affect me, it doesn't change my character and it doesn't change what I do in the game.


So it would be ok if everyone but you got 10b isk and 10m sp?


Everyone getting 10 billion isk would be so completely game changing it's such an over the top comparison. It's like saying to someone who doesn't mind only getting socks, when other people got socks AND shorts "So you'd be happy if we all got Ferraris and you didn't?" no of course I wouldn't, because it's a BIG thing to give out - remaps are NOT big things to give out. The huge isk bonus would also alter the economy and value of isk, the inflation rate, by such a huge amount it'd ruin the bloody game tbh. So no, I would not be happy with it, but not because "I didn't get it it's unfair!" but for the reasons I outlined above.

The 10 million skillpoints however, I don't know .. it'd be such a cool thing to get I'd be more upset about losing out on it than I am a remap, and it's not SO many skillpoints that it'd render training obsolete for example, but it would again change the game in quite a large way so it'd be a dangerous thing to give out game-wise. The fact that you would be able to fly a bunch of ships suddenly that I cannot, however, would not bother me. Why would it, when in fact it's not relevant to my character?

Originally by: Amberlamps
Oh I wish this did happen.

It would change what you do in game because everyone had eventually be training faster than you ..(snip for character space saving)

I stopped reading your posts because all you are going on is about how you disagree but not why other than you're not arsed or it doesn't bother you. Nothing really indepth enough to bat an eye lid at.


For someone alleging for 3 posts now that they do not read my posts, you sure are spending a lot of time reading my posts and replying to them (even if you do misrepresent them somewhat)

As for 'substance' other than saying "it's a small issue to moan about considering what else is out there that devs could spend time on" what more do you want? I don't care about it, you do, we are disagreeing, I see no more substance in your argument than you apparently do in mine however.

As for the 'it would change the game for you because they train faster' etc yeah, but then someone who was in the game for years has more skillpoints, someone who had all learning Vs had more skillpoints, etc., yet I still enjoy my game just fine :)

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:36:00 - [248]
 

Edited by: Amberlamps on 16/12/2010 17:38:34
Edited by: Amberlamps on 16/12/2010 17:37:30
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Winston Clarke

So it would be ok if everyone but you got 10b isk and 10m sp?


Everyone getting 10 billion isk would be so completely game changing it's such an over the top comparison. It's like saying to someone who doesn't mind only getting socks, when other people got socks AND shorts "So you'd be happy if we all got Ferraris and you didn't?" no of course I wouldn't, because it's a BIG thing to give out - remaps are NOT big things to give out. The huge isk bonus would also alter the economy and value of isk, the inflation rate, by such a huge amount it'd ruin the bloody game tbh. So no, I would not be happy with it, but not because "I didn't get it it's unfair!" but for the reasons I outlined above.

The 10 million skillpoints however, I don't know .. it'd be such a cool thing to get I'd be more upset about losing out on it than I am a remap, and it's not SO many skillpoints that it'd render training obsolete for example, but it would again change the game in quite a large way so it'd be a dangerous thing to give out game-wise. The fact that you would be able to fly a bunch of ships suddenly that I cannot, however, would not bother me. Why would it, when in fact it's not relevant to my character?


Dude HTFU and stop whining, we got 10bil ISK 10m SP and you didn't so HTFU.

That is the sort of response you would receive. Just like we are getting now over the remaps.

Big or small it is still game changing to every single person. Now my friends can plan for 2 completely different things and keep it at optimal SP/Hour in a year. That changes the way I have to play because if we both want to do something together but it will take me forever to get to it from it using soley a free gift. Guess what it's not balanced and it's game changing.

There is also actual substance in my "argument" for a change as I am showing there are reasons why it is imbalanced and how it has come about. Where as you are just telling people to get on with it and stop whining because YOU don't care.

A debate or argument usually really needs to contain some factual information where as you are purely pushing your opinion of you not caring on us. You are then saying if the gift was bigger you would actually begin to care for example the 10bil ISk 10m SP.

So perhaps... a free remap is actually something worth caring about to someone who already has limitless supplies of ISK and well SP comes hand in hand with remaps.

Winston Clarke
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:40:00 - [249]
 

Just ignore him, he is pretty ******ed.

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:43:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: Amberlamps
Edited by: Amberlamps on 16/12/2010 17:38:34
Edited by: Amberlamps on 16/12/2010 17:37:30
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Winston Clarke

So it would be ok if everyone but you got 10b isk and 10m sp?


Everyone getting 10 billion isk would be so completely game changing it's such an over the top comparison. It's like saying to someone who doesn't mind only getting socks, when other people got socks AND shorts "So you'd be happy if we all got Ferraris and you didn't?" no of course I wouldn't, because it's a BIG thing to give out - remaps are NOT big things to give out. The huge isk bonus would also alter the economy and value of isk, the inflation rate, by such a huge amount it'd ruin the bloody game tbh. So no, I would not be happy with it, but not because "I didn't get it it's unfair!" but for the reasons I outlined above.

The 10 million skillpoints however, I don't know .. it'd be such a cool thing to get I'd be more upset about losing out on it than I am a remap, and it's not SO many skillpoints that it'd render training obsolete for example, but it would again change the game in quite a large way so it'd be a dangerous thing to give out game-wise. The fact that you would be able to fly a bunch of ships suddenly that I cannot, however, would not bother me. Why would it, when in fact it's not relevant to my character?


Dude HTFU and stop whining, we got 10bil ISK 10m SP and you didn't so HTFU.

That is the sort of response you would receive. Just like we are getting now over the remaps.

Big or small it is still game changing to every single person. Now my friends can plan for 2 completely different things and keep it at optimal SP/Hour in a year. That changes the way I have to play because if we both want to do something together but it will take me forever to get to it from it using soley a free gift. Guess what it's not balanced and it's game changing.

There is also actual substance in my "argument" for a change as I am showing there are reasons why it is imbalanced and how it has come about. Where as you are just telling people to get on with it and stop whining because YOU don't care.

A debate or argument usually really needs to contain some factual information where as you are purely pushing your opinion of you not caring on us. You are then saying if the gift was bigger you would actually begin to care for example the 10bil ISk 10m SP.

So perhaps... a free remap is actually something worth caring about to someone who already has limitless supplies of ISK and well SP comes hand in hand with remaps.


Except as I said, which you seem to deliberately miss, the 10billion isk is GAME CHANGING not "for me" but for EVERYONE. It would alter the entire economy to such a degree as to not even be funny. It is a completely exaggerated comparison and bares no resemblance to the original argument about remaps.

Yeah, though, I am basically saying "htfu" - if you dislike my opinion on this matter you are welcome to. I would much rather see the dev time spent on more worthwhile things however. Coding the database to alter the remap so that it does not affect the date would require them to overhaul the system, as opposed to just going "remaps+1" or similar. They would have to tell the database that "This remap, however, does not reset the counter" and that takes far more programming effort. How much more, I don't know, as I don't work for CCP - neither do you. I assume though that, as it is the optimal solution to the problem but was NOT done that the effort Versus reward ratio is not worth it. The devs have X amount of time and spending it on everything they want is impossible as what they want > time available to do it.

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:49:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123

Except as I said, which you seem to deliberately miss, the 10billion isk is GAME CHANGING not "for me" but for EVERYONE


I guess you are also responsible for not reading posts properly as you will be able to note I said relating to someone who has limitless ISK. Once you are in the triple figures of the billions most things don't matter. If you're that high up 10billion to every player will cause a large shift in the market but it's not going to harm you any where near as much. As since we're nit picking we can say that the trillionaires of Eve will not be affected.

A large portion of people have been effected over this attribute thing, and I for one find remaps very VERY valuable. I find SP much more valuable than ISK, after all SP is what allows us to generate ISK and go into the unknown.

So once again for me to be unable to train a specific skill set at speed and swap, where as many others can that has significantly effected myself and many other members of Eve.

There is no denying we ARE paying for SP by the second on our subscription times, otherwise you can advance in ISK which won't get you anywhere if you can't utilise it... which means having SP. Which means getting SP at the optimal rate which in turn shows us that having people with more remaps because of a poorly implementation is unfair and should be fixed.

Spark Rinn
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:52:00 - [252]
 

While this doesn't affect me, the change affects different players' strategic choices rather dramatically. I can accept the explaination given, even though it is flawed as many people have pointed out.

However, this is a major PR desaster, because the explaination should have been given before the changes took place. In any case, "free remap" doesn't imply remap timer reset.

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:58:00 - [253]
 

Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Caldariftw123

Except as I said, which you seem to deliberately miss, the 10billion isk is GAME CHANGING not "for me" but for EVERYONE


I guess you are also responsible for not reading posts properly as you will be able to note I said relating to someone who has limitless ISK. Once you are in the triple figures of the billions most things don't matter. If you're that high up 10billion to every player will cause a large shift in the market but it's not going to harm you any where near as much. As since we're nit picking we can say that the trillionaires of Eve will not be affected.

A large portion of people have been effected over this attribute thing, and I for one find remaps very VERY valuable. I find SP much more valuable than ISK, after all SP is what allows us to generate ISK and go into the unknown.

So once again for me to be unable to train a specific skill set at speed and swap, where as many others can that has significantly effected myself and many other members of Eve.

There is no denying we ARE paying for SP by the second on our subscription times, otherwise you can advance in ISK which won't get you anywhere if you can't utilise it... which means having SP. Which means getting SP at the optimal rate which in turn shows us that having people with more remaps because of a poorly implementation is unfair and should be fixed.


The rate of inflation would go through the roof, their isk would lose it's value. If everyone can afford ten machariels, then what will happen to the Machariel? Will it stay the same price? No, don't be daft, it will suddenly cost 7billion instead, same with all the other items their price will shoot up. So ten billion to isk to everyone is game changing to the nTH degree in comparison to a free remap or even ten remaps. Ten remaps would allow you to skill what you want, when you want, for a good few years. After those few years you'll gain a few million more skillpoints than someone without those free remaps, if you make best use of them. How much will that affect the game? Very little, and barely at all when compared to your 10billion isk ridiculous example.

So yeah, I read your post, and it's wrong. 10billion isk is so completely removed from a free remap for "most" people and not for "all" people as a comparison it's just moronic.

I can see why this is 'unfair' and I've already said I am affected by it, it is a bit of a difference, but my contention is that the difference is tiny, the effect is small and the time for developers to fix it versus reward is not worth it.

Winston Clarke
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:59:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Spark Rinn
While this doesn't affect me, the change affects different players' strategic choices rather dramatically. I can accept the explaination given, even though it is flawed as many people have pointed out.

However, this is a major PR desaster, because the explaination should have been given before the changes took place. In any case, "free remap" doesn't imply remap timer reset.


This 100%

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:00:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: Spark Rinn
While this doesn't affect me, the change affects different players' strategic choices rather dramatically. I can accept the explaination given, even though it is flawed as many people have pointed out.

However, this is a major PR desaster, because the explaination should have been given before the changes took place. In any case, "free remap" doesn't imply remap timer reset.


Yes actually that is probably an easier way to explain it.

If you had 1 remap point - Yay Free remap

If you had a timer - Oh timer reset, no new remap point when timer should of expired.

Commander Phoenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:08:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: Spark Rinn
While this doesn't affect me, the change affects different players' strategic choices rather dramatically. I can accept the explaination given, even though it is flawed as many people have pointed out.

However, this is a major PR desaster, because the explaination should have been given before the changes took place. In any case, "free remap" doesn't imply remap timer reset.


Very well put.

white kight
Helljumpers
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:14:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: Spark Rinn
While this doesn't affect me, the change affects different players' strategic choices rather dramatically. I can accept the explaination given, even though it is flawed as many people have pointed out.

However, this is a major PR desaster, because the explaination should have been given before the changes took place. In any case, "free remap" doesn't imply remap timer reset.


Agreed. I haven't got a free remap at all either, its just moved it forward a couple of months. Promoting this as a FREE remap without explaining that its actually the one you are entitled to, just its a month or 2 earlier, is bad PR and you wonder why people are ****ed. Thanks CCP

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:19:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: white kight
Originally by: Spark Rinn
While this doesn't affect me, the change affects different players' strategic choices rather dramatically. I can accept the explaination given, even though it is flawed as many people have pointed out.

However, this is a major PR desaster, because the explaination should have been given before the changes took place. In any case, "free remap" doesn't imply remap timer reset.


Agreed. I haven't got a free remap at all either, its just moved it forward a couple of months. Promoting this as a FREE remap without explaining that its actually the one you are entitled to, just its a month or 2 earlier, is bad PR and you wonder why people are ****ed. Thanks CCP


Yep thanks CCP for a useless timer reset seeing as I had a year planned out. Now whoopdie doo I have my timer reset and a remap 2 months too early which will do nothing until my plan is finished.

Many other players can deviate away from their plan for the notorious Charisma skills and return back to a normal plan.

Thanks a lot, fantastic use of your own game mechanics Bravo CCP.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:23:00 - [259]
 

Originally by: white kight
Originally by: Spark Rinn
While this doesn't affect me, the change affects different players' strategic choices rather dramatically. I can accept the explaination given, even though it is flawed as many people have pointed out.

However, this is a major PR desaster, because the explaination should have been given before the changes took place. In any case, "free remap" doesn't imply remap timer reset.


Agreed. I haven't got a free remap at all either, its just moved it forward a couple of months. Promoting this as a FREE remap without explaining that its actually the one you are entitled to, just its a month or 2 earlier, is bad PR and you wonder why people are ****ed. Thanks CCP


And it is precisely a re-occurence of the attitudes that so surpised CCP regarding perceptions of even handed customer service/moderation and the admitted failures in communications that led to far more play ire than needed (call a spade a spade ... making a rhetorical suggestion that they'ed be promoting 'hoarding' for those who were actively using the remap process but adding another to people already collecting them is definitely casting false allusions to support a decision)

Mia Restolo
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:34:00 - [260]
 

Edited by: Mia Restolo on 16/12/2010 18:43:21
Originally by: Miss Pristine

Your conclusion for group 2 is wrong. The other character on this account started after the remap implementation. I used 1 remap and had one left over. Now I have 2, not 3.


But was that remap more than a year ago? According to what the devs were saying it looks like there might be an invisible timer started any time a remap is used even if you still have a remap available.

It looks like a running timer results in one free remap, but no timer at all results in +2 remaps if you have one still available from character creation, while having one available from an expired timer results in +1.

I recall doing something similar in a program when different variables were selected for an equation depending on certain conditions. I'm guessing that character creation and implemented/gift remaps have a different variable name or type from the remaps that become available when a timer expires. For example, the timer one may be a Boolean (true or false) while the others are integers so players can have more than one.

They probably had something that logically works like this (Disclaimer: it's informal, probably has errors, and is guesswork based on personal experience and forum reports Rolling Eyes):

if remapCounter > 0
remapCounter++

if remapTimerActive = false
remapCounter++

if remapTimerActive = true
remapTimerActive = false

So at this point a remap would be allowed if either the timer isn't active or the remap counter is higher than 0. It explains the seemingly high number of remaps in certain conditions. Also it was run through twice, the 15th and the 16th using the remap data from the 14th both times, so any remap or timer expiration event between the patches would add another remap.

*edit no need for an else

Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:35:00 - [261]
 

Originally by: CCP Prism X
Perhaps it is important to re-iterate on this:

The reason people who already had an implicit respec (after waiting for a year or more) got TWO is because if they'd only gotten ONE they would actually have gotten ZERO.

Explanation:
They'd already earned ONE through waiting. This is an indisputable fact.
The reason they get TWO is because when they remap, they lose ONE free respec and the timer is UPDATED. If they had been set to ONE free respec that would leave them at ZERO and with a refreshed timestamp. That's ONE respec they can do after having earned one through waiting and getting another one from us.

Those that had not earned anything have their free respec. You can chose to use it whenever you want but when you gain a new one through waiting it's not going to increment that numbers. You cannot hoard free respecs by design.

Again: If you had no respecs you were, effectively, reset a year back giving you a respec.
If you were already a year back resetting you a year back would give you nothing.
Please bear in mind that waiting for two years does not grant you two respecs. They do not accrue!


I laughed so hard at this thread. You guys tried to make a gift. You gave everyone a remap. In most games that would mean happy players tinkering with their new re-maips. In EVE you get a 10 page whine thread Very Happy

TO people:
I had my remap due in a couple weeks. I am not sitting here *****ing. Get over it, spend that SP you got on gunnery and get back to killing each-other as usual,

Karia Sur
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:45:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev
......


yet another 1 who cant see the implications of CCP giving free gifts to a select propertion of the userbase.

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:48:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev
......


yet another 1 who cant see the implications of CCP giving free gifts to a select propertion of the userbase.


As well as someone who can't count page numbers, we haven't hit 10 yet... but we will do!

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:51:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: HyperZerg
I read about some experiments some years ago:

You have 2 person, and 100$. One person splits the potand the other have to aceppt it. If he doesn't none gets the money.

If you say 50/50 it will be accepted
If you say 33/67 its a boared and has good chances to be accepted
If you say 10/90 it won't be accepted

The interesting part was, when they tested it with monkey, they would even accept the 10/90 offer.

So, if I would get a 0,3 free remap and others get 2, I would say, better give them to none then this.
If I would get 1, and the others 2, I would accept it, even if it's a little unfair.

the ultimatum game (that's what this experiment is called) rests on the assumption (and this assumption is made clear to the players beforehand) that both players won't meet again/are not in direct competition (so considerations of "how does he do seen relative to me" are guaranteed not to be rational because however much money he gets you won't be affected by his wealth/power).

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:55:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: Cyaxares II
Originally by: HyperZerg
I read about some experiments some years ago:

You have 2 person, and 100$. One person splits the potand the other have to aceppt it. If he doesn't none gets the money.

If you say 50/50 it will be accepted
If you say 33/67 its a boared and has good chances to be accepted
If you say 10/90 it won't be accepted

The interesting part was, when they tested it with monkey, they would even accept the 10/90 offer.

So, if I would get a 0,3 free remap and others get 2, I would say, better give them to none then this.
If I would get 1, and the others 2, I would accept it, even if it's a little unfair.

the ultimatum game (that's what this experiment is called) rests on the assumption (and this assumption is made clear to the players beforehand) that both players won't meet again/are not in direct competition (so considerations of "how does he do seen relative to me" are guaranteed not to be rational because however much money he gets you won't be affected by his wealth/power).


So it looks like this ultimatum game example is completely irrelvant if the assumptions are made that players will not affect each other in the future. Perhaps like WoW with its individual servers, where as Eve is clusters on one large server and the whole butterfly effect shows what one player does effects another... it looks like CCPs ideas are lookin a little transparent now

Arte
The Darkness Within
Posted - 2010.12.16 19:08:00 - [266]
 

I only have one remap - the 'gift' bought my remap date forward by 2 months.

I'm really happy about that and I don't care that others may have the chance to do 2 remaps. It doesn't affect what I do in the slightest.

How much of a boost someone has in game due to remaps is the same about complaining that people can get isk if they're richer by buying and selling plex. "they have real life money, why should they have an advantage over me in this gameQuestion"

I genuinely think that people complaining about this are in for a long and stressful life - somethings matter, this isn't one of them.
If you're not happy with this, you're probably not happy that some people drive a nicer car than you because they won the lottery and you didn't and get really jealous that Santa didn't bring you as nice presents as Joey next door got when you were both 2. It's a game, get over it.

Happy Christmas*

*insert/delete festive greeting of choice for all you other-God fearing/ignoring people out there.

Commander Phoenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.16 19:17:00 - [267]
 

Originally by: Arte
I only have one remap - the 'gift' bought my remap date forward by 2 months.

I'm really happy about that and I don't care that others may have the chance to do 2 remaps. It doesn't affect what I do in the slightest.


Congratulations.

I'm happy to have my remap bought forward, gives me a choice of remapping now or later.
Would be happier if I had 2 remaps listed or if I was currently mapped for charisma skills as I want to train some. Hey ho!

Arte
The Darkness Within
Posted - 2010.12.16 19:21:00 - [268]
 

Originally by: Commander Phoenix
Originally by: Arte
I only have one remap - the 'gift' bought my remap date forward by 2 months.

I'm really happy about that and I don't care that others may have the chance to do 2 remaps. It doesn't affect what I do in the slightest.


Would be happier ....... Hey ho!


That's it precisely in my opinion. Sure it would be nice, but the fact that some folks got it and we didn't - doesn't change what you or I got in the slightestVery Happy

.07

So Cash
Posted - 2010.12.16 19:28:00 - [269]
 

Edited by: So Cash on 16/12/2010 19:28:52
Originally by: Arte
Originally by: Commander Phoenix
Originally by: Arte
I only have one remap - the 'gift' bought my remap date forward by 2 months.

I'm really happy about that and I don't care that others may have the chance to do 2 remaps. It doesn't affect what I do in the slightest.


Would be happier ....... Hey ho!


That's it precisely in my opinion. Sure it would be nice, but the fact that some folks got it and we didn't - doesn't change what you or I got in the slightestVery Happy

.07


Guess the next thing CCP implement and fail to evenly distribute they'll never address because you are happy you at least got part of it.

If you had planned your skills out your plan should be optimal for a year and then a remap, bringing the remap forward a few days or months with the remap reset doesn't help most people in the foggiest as our plans don't finish up to or after the previous remap date.

I do however have a big concern now that if I want to remap for charisma skills I will have to endure soul destroying poor SP/Hour on all other useful skills. Where as a large portion of Eve players can map for chrisma, learn the skills and map back within a small time frame.

Commander Phoenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.16 19:29:00 - [270]
 

Edited by: Commander Phoenix on 16/12/2010 19:39:22
Originally by: Arte

That's it precisely in my opinion. Sure it would be nice, but the fact that some folks got it and we didn't - doesn't change what you or I got in the slightestVery Happy

.07


Yes!

I'm gonna remap off of my Int/Mem current mapping. I've been trying to get some extra ship skills, now is a good time :)

It does mean that I won't get round to training those astrometric skills to 5 for over a year, but they can wait :)


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