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Keira Matrix
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:44:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Keira Matrix on 16/12/2010 11:46:01


So in short using the remap resets the timer, but if you wait for the timer to complete you will not get another remap.

HyperZerg
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:46:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
2. You had no neural remaps until yesterday, when you have received 1 "free" neural remap. Your next "regular" remap is due on January 5, 2011. If you use your remap today, your timer will be reset, and you will receive your next remap on December 16, 2011. However, you will not get a "regular" remap on January 5, 2011, as you already have a remap available.



So, In that case you only get 10% of a free remap ? I think you ill-conceived that one. It's unfair and you had NO CHANCE to know, that it had been better to remap a month early to get a full remap isntead of a 10%. Or shall we all petition till we get it on our regular date ?

Fianna Illyasfeld
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:46:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire



2. You had no neural remaps until yesterday, when you have received 1 "free" neural remap. Your next "regular" remap is due on January 5, 2011. If you use your remap today, your timer will be reset, and you will receive your next remap on December 16, 2011. However, you will not get a "regular" remap on January 5, 2011, as you already have a remap available.

TL;DR: As long as you have "free" / "bonus" remaps, you can ignore the timer completely. It only matters when you are out of remaps.

I hope that makes sense.



That really is a bad way to implement this feature. People with 1 remap avalible and people who had just recently remapped are getting a huge advantage compared to people who had only a few days left before they could remap.

I am getting 15 days off my remap when instead I could have gotten one remap now, and then another one in 15 days when my original timer ran out.

This is the difference between remapping for say....leadership skills and then spending 6 months to train it and then using my natural remap to remap back into something more useful.

Its not really a FREE remap then as much as it is resetting the remap timer then now is it?

Staggerr
Broski North
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:46:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire

>You had no neural remaps until yesterday, when you have received 1 "free" neural remap. Your next "regular" remap is due on January 5, 2011.
>However, you will not get a "regular" remap on January 5, 2011, as you already have a remap available.



So all of us with no remaps, who were waiting for it to unlock get a discount sort of speak. While everybody who already had one ready, ie no timer running, get a free remap.

tl;dr: unfair (compared to other players)

I hope you didn't make sense and I misunderstood ya.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:47:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Mag''s on 16/12/2010 11:49:57

Well I for one, am glad that we are getting remaps for plex..... oh wait, yea that's right, the 'omg we are doomed' crew ended that one. Laughing

Edit: CCP should have a fixed date when they hand out a remap for all, irrespective of what people have and have used. They should also accumulate.

DeadSpacePool
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:47:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: DeadSpacePool on 16/12/2010 11:49:30
Edited by: DeadSpacePool on 16/12/2010 11:48:32
So people who never remapped got + 2
People who already had 1 got + 1
People who had 0 got screwed ( depending on how close their original remap was due )

Any reason why not just give everyone 2 and not screw people?

Karia Sur
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:48:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Karia Sur on 16/12/2010 11:49:01
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
2. You had no neural remaps until yesterday, when you have received 1 "free" neural remap. Your next "regular" remap is due on January 5, 2011. If you use your remap today, your timer will be reset, and you will receive your next remap on December 16, 2011. However, you will not get a "regular" remap on January 5, 2011, as you already have a remap available.




Yes the explanation makes sense, but its the biggest con that i can think of.

Wiki Leaks
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:51:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
I hope that makes sense.


The English words at least make sense. The mechanic does not.

dosperado
Denial of Service
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:52:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: dosperado on 16/12/2010 11:51:58
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Looks like there is some confusion with how the whole system works. Please let me try to explain.
2. You had no neural remaps until yesterday, when you have received 1 "free" neural remap. Your next "regular" remap is due on January 5, 2011. If you use your remap today, your timer will be reset, and you will receive your next remap on December 16, 2011. However, you will not get a "regular" remap on January



sorry but this is really useless and not a free remap
why should someone remap earlier?? most of the players have a 1-year skill plan and they have no advantage from your so called free remap.
give a real free remap or leave it as it is.

lolioverbidu
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:52:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Edited by: Mag''s on 16/12/2010 11:49:57

Well I for one, am glad that we are getting remaps for plex..... oh wait, yea that's right, the 'omg we are doomed' crew ended that one. Laughing

Edit: CCP should have a fixed date when they hand out a remap for all, irrespective of what people have and have used. They should also accumulate.


Don't be ridiculous, this is not what this topic is about

Originally by: DeadSpacePool
Edited by: DeadSpacePool on 16/12/2010 11:49:30
Edited by: DeadSpacePool on 16/12/2010 11:48:32
So people who never remapped got + 2
People who already had 1 got + 1
People who had 0 got screwed ( depending on how close their original remap was due )

Any reason why not just give everyone 2 and not screw people?


I think people who never remapped only got +1....you start with 2.

Commander Phoenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:58:00 - [101]
 

I have characters that HAVE remapped before. Now they have 3 remaps available? I'm guessing maybe that one of the remaps that should have been added to another character (my main), instead got added to the alt?

Oh well. No point crying over spilt milk. My next decision is whether to remap NOW or wait till it was originally planned to end in June.

Some of my other characters have gotten 2 free remaps this update however so I'll use them to their full potential when the time comes. Just a shame that non of my main characters got the 2 free remaps.

Major Templar
Caldari
Steel Daggers
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:00:00 - [102]
 

So all my toons that reset around the same time in January are all getting the shaft. Nice. While those who say, just had an available one just 1 to 2 months before the free one are getting an advantage over me. What a great sandbox this is. CCP giving unfair advantage to others.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:01:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: lolioverbidu
Originally by: Mag's
Edited by: Mag''s on 16/12/2010 11:49:57

Well I for one, am glad that we are getting remaps for plex..... oh wait, yea that's right, the 'omg we are doomed' crew ended that one. Laughing

Edit: CCP should have a fixed date when they hand out a remap for all, irrespective of what people have and have used. They should also accumulate.


Don't be ridiculous, this is not what this topic is about

You mad? Laughing

DeadSpacePool
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:03:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: DeadSpacePool on 16/12/2010 12:13:36
Edited by: DeadSpacePool on 16/12/2010 12:12:58
Originally by: lolioverbidu
Originally by: Mag's


Originally by: DeadSpacePool
Edited by: DeadSpacePool on 16/12/2010 11:49:30
Edited by: DeadSpacePool on 16/12/2010 11:48:32
So people who never remapped got + 2
People who already had 1 got + 1
People who had 0 got screwed ( depending on how close their original remap was due )

Any reason why not just give everyone 2 and not screw people?


I think people who never remapped only got +1....you start with 2.


Originally by: CCP Spitfire

1. You have never remapped your character's attributes. As of today, you should have 3 available neural remaps (one that every character gets and two free ones given out by us). If you use one of them today, your one-year timer will start ticking. If a year later you have 0 available remaps, you will get the "regular" one; however, if you will still have available remaps by that date, you will not get an additional one.



suppose this means 2 original + 1 free, I read it 1 original + 2 free...

Anyways that is not the problem, do not really care how many people got, the point is people who had 0, and had one coming in 1 - 365 days, get rolled over with this "free" remap.

giving 2 to everyone would of solved this whole problem regardless of how many they gave to who...

EDIT:

The obvious intention was to give every 1 a "free" remap, which is a great present.
The execution of this present however was misleading and lead to some advantages to those who had 1+ available

Keira Matrix
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:05:00 - [105]
 

When you think of it it's only the people that had their timers coming to an end that lost out in some way.

Having 3 remaps does not bring that 4th one any nearer, the timer won't start until they use the 3rd one.

Im Blue
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:10:00 - [106]
 

6 accounts 18 toons all ranging randomly between 0 extra and 2 extra. i hope this makes everyone have 2 free remaps regardless of age and starting point.

The RipperToad
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:16:00 - [107]
 

CCP poorly implementing something still shocks you people?

Also, yes I am one of the people getting the shaft with the 'free' remap thing. At least I have this awesome new ship... wait.. it does what? Never mind.


Brujah are going to be the new Achura, calling it nowWink

Jeff simply
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:16:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Keira Matrix
When you think of it it's only the people that had their timers coming to an end that lost out in some way.

Having 3 remaps does not bring that 4th one any nearer, the timer won't start until they use the 3rd one.


Indeed, and if I read Spitfire correctly, you won't get any extra ones unless you have 0 left by the time your counter reaches 0.

It sucks (compared to other players) because I was thinking of remapping to Int/Mem to max Eng Elec and Mech skills and then go back to Per/Will but I don't think I want to pause my ship/missile skills for a year...

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:17:00 - [109]
 

What the .. People are complaining that they are getting less than others, because they are getting a free remap now instead of having to wait for their timer?

2 Characters are born on the same day, both get 2 remaps at the same time. Character 1 who has up to this point never remapped now has 3, character 2 who used 2 remaps already and has anywhere from 1 day to 1 year to wait for next remap, now has 1 remap available now instead.

Which character gets the most from this?!? NEITHER you entitlement-convinced-idiots, because they will ALL have had 3 remaps in total and equal opportunity to use those remaps.

"but character 1 can now plan to use his short-term without worrying about a timer reset!" yeah and you remapped ages ago where he didn't, but your 3 remaps have lasted the exact same amount of time as his has.

Whining whining whining this forum is full of ill thought out whining.

Bubbled
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:19:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Staggerr


So all of us with no remaps, who were waiting for it to unlock get a discount sort of speak. While everybody who already had one ready, ie no timer running, get a free remap.

tl;dr: unfair (compared to other players)

I hope you didn't make sense and I misunderstood ya.


Totally fair. All of the ppl who had one ready get another one as they saved the first one. All the others get one to use it when they want. It would be unfair for those who used it to get another one.
Look at them as cookies Laughing All got one once, some eaten them, some saved them. All got another one now. Those who saved the first one now have two cookies. Cool

Got milk?

Staggerr
Broski North
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:21:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123
What the .. People are complaining that they are getting less than others, because they are getting a free remap now instead of having to wait for their timer?

2 Characters are born on the same day, both get 2 remaps at the same time. Character 1 who has up to this point never remapped now has 3, character 2 who used 2 remaps already and has anywhere from 1 day to 1 year to wait for next remap, now has 1 remap available now instead.

Which character gets the most from this?!? NEITHER you entitlement-convinced-idiots, because they will ALL have had 3 remaps in total and equal opportunity to use those remaps.

"but character 1 can now plan to use his short-term without worrying about a timer reset!" yeah and you remapped ages ago where he didn't, but your 3 remaps have lasted the exact same amount of time as his has.

Whining whining whining this forum is full of ill thought out whining.


You are amazingly dumb for having typed out so many words. One person gets a free remap (translates to 12 months). The other person who was gonna unlock a remap in January gets it instantly (this translates to 1 month).

How is one month equal to twelve.

DeadSpacePool
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:21:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123
What the .. People are complaining that they are getting less than others, because they are getting a free remap now instead of having to wait for their timer?

2 Characters are born on the same day, both get 2 remaps at the same time. Character 1 who has up to this point never remapped now has 3, character 2 who used 2 remaps already and has anywhere from 1 day to 1 year to wait for next remap, now has 1 remap available now instead.

Which character gets the most from this?!? NEITHER you entitlement-convinced-idiots, because they will ALL have had 3 remaps in total and equal opportunity to use those remaps.

"but character 1 can now plan to use his short-term without worrying about a timer reset!" yeah and you remapped ages ago where he didn't, but your 3 remaps have lasted the exact same amount of time as his has.

Whining whining whining this forum is full of ill thought out whining.


you obviously fail to read what this whol thread was about

person 1 had a remap coming on the 20th of december
person 2 had a remap coming next 20th october
person 3 had a remap
person 4 had never remapped

person 1 "the shafted" gets a 5 day "free" pushed remap
person 2 gets a huge pushed remap of 3xx days
person 3 gets a full free 365 remap
person 4 gets a full free 365 remap

get the point?

lolioverbidu
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:23:00 - [113]
 

You people complaining that we are whining are missing the point.

Lets say someone remapped last year on the 14th of december, he will now have 2 remaps.

While someone remapping last year on the 17th of december will still only have 1 remap.

How is this fair?

The fair way to do this was to not have the new remap affect the old remap timer, that way nobody would be shafted.

Commander Phoenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:25:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: Commander Phoenix on 16/12/2010 12:26:08
Originally by: Caldariftw123
2 Characters are born on the same day, both get 2 remaps at the same time. Character 1 who has up to this point never remapped now has 3, character 2 who used 2 remaps already and has anywhere from 1 day to 1 year to wait for next remap, now has 1 remap available now instead.

Which character gets the most from this?!? NEITHER you entitlement-convinced-idiots, because they will ALL have had 3 remaps in total and equal opportunity to use those remaps.

"but character 1 can now plan to use his short-term without worrying about a timer reset!" yeah and you remapped ages ago where he didn't, but your 3 remaps have lasted the exact same amount of time as his has.

Whining whining whining this forum is full of ill thought out whining.


Except that some of my characters have had 4 now :p

Used 2 remaps. got another one but didn't use it. After patch now have 3. :D

-edit. OK. that's 5!

Mia Restolo
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:31:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
...
2. You had no neural remaps until yesterday, when you have received 1 "free" neural remap. Your next "regular" remap is due on January 5, 2011. If you use your remap today, your timer will be reset, and you will receive your next remap on December 16, 2011. However, you will not get a "regular" remap on January 5, 2011, as you already have a remap available.

TL;DR: As long as you have "free" / "bonus" remaps, you can ignore the timer completely. It only matters when you are out of remaps.

I hope that makes sense.



So you're saying that the regular remap I should have gotten on the 15th was generously given during DT rather than 8 hours later? ugh

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:33:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 16/12/2010 12:35:19
Originally by: Staggerr
Originally by: Caldariftw123
What the .. People are complaining that they are getting less than others, because they are getting a free remap now instead of having to wait for their timer?

2 Characters are born on the same day, both get 2 remaps at the same time. Character 1 who has up to this point never remapped now has 3, character 2 who used 2 remaps already and has anywhere from 1 day to 1 year to wait for next remap, now has 1 remap available now instead.

Which character gets the most from this?!? NEITHER you entitlement-convinced-idiots, because they will ALL have had 3 remaps in total and equal opportunity to use those remaps.

"but character 1 can now plan to use his short-term without worrying about a timer reset!" yeah and you remapped ages ago where he didn't, but your 3 remaps have lasted the exact same amount of time as his has.

Whining whining whining this forum is full of ill thought out whining.


You are amazingly dumb for having typed out so many words. One person gets a free remap (translates to 12 months). The other person who was gonna unlock a remap in January gets it instantly (this translates to 1 month).

How is one month equal to twelve.


Again read what I said: How many remaps has that person had in how many months? Right, exactly the same as the other guy, except you used yours earlier. READ. AGAIN. SLOWLY. Char 1 gets 2 remaps, char 2 gets 2 remaps, then they both get a free one. They've both had 3 remaps. One of them used some of theirs, the other did not, they still had the same number of remaps however.

If you use your remap, your timer is reset, yes, does that screw you over? No. Why? Well if you think about it using the same basic logic .. char 1 now has 3, you have 1, you use yours and your timer is set to 12 months from now, char 1 uses all of their's at some point and has to wait 12 months for their next one. Let's say for some stupid reason they both use them all on the same day, so they then wait 12months for their next one. You've both still had the same number of remaps in the same time frame! Amazing how that works right?

Now let's say more realistically you use yours but the other dude uses his over a period of time, then he waits a year for his next one which will come after you've already gotten yours - you are now ahead of him because you've gotten your fourth remap in less time than it takes for him to gets his fourth.

Are you gaining much, you who has 1 month to wait for your next one anyway? No you aren't gaining much, just a month, but it's a month of free all the same, whereas the guy who has 3 still has the same amount of remaps in the same time frame as you, except his fourth one will come later. So in reality those that used their remaps are always going to get more remaps in a shorter time frame, than those that do not use their remaps. So in fact the ONLY pseudo-complaint people could have has NOTHING to do with those people that now have 3 remaps, but those that used all their remaps recently will now get their timer reset. This change benefits those that remapped recently the most and those that remapped later the least. Entitlement convinced idiots can't even complain about the only actual thing that "hurts" someone (IE you don't get AS MUCH as someone else) This whole "3 remaps dudeblahblah" thing is utter nonsense though :)

Fianna Illyasfeld
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:36:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Mia Restolo
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
...
2. You had no neural remaps until yesterday, when you have received 1 "free" neural remap. Your next "regular" remap is due on January 5, 2011. If you use your remap today, your timer will be reset, and you will receive your next remap on December 16, 2011. However, you will not get a "regular" remap on January 5, 2011, as you already have a remap available.

TL;DR: As long as you have "free" / "bonus" remaps, you can ignore the timer completely. It only matters when you are out of remaps.

I hope that makes sense.



So you're saying that the regular remap I should have gotten on the 15th was generously given during DT rather than 8 hours later? ugh


Yea, it unfortunatley seems that way Mad

Staggerr
Broski North
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:40:00 - [118]
 

Your tl;dr version:
Originally by: Caldariftw123
-in reality those that used their remaps are always going to get more remaps in a shorter time frame, than those that do not use their remaps.


Here's a metaphor for you:
If I don't drive my car I'm never going to have to refuel it. CCP is handing out free tanks of gas, somebody who never drives his car gets a full tank. The other person who happened to have half a tank at the time gets only half a tank.

In other words: people who don't drive their car are rewarded.

Moral of this story: don't drive a car.

Commander Phoenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:40:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Commander Phoenix on 16/12/2010 12:42:54
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Fianna Illyasfeld
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2010.12.16 12:48:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Fianna Illyasfeld on 16/12/2010 13:04:15
derp


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