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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.12.15 21:19:00 - [31]
 

I've never met a class of players with more of a sense of entitlement than Eve Online players.

Walk it off you pussies.

Tama Rens
Posted - 2010.12.15 21:39:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Miss Pristine
Doesnt really answer the question.


Forgive me, I'm a bit slow.

The post from Navigator that I linked to happened to answer my question. Ie, it's +1 remap to all is what CCP has intended for us. In my case, it means that on this character here, I get to remap earlier than my timer would otherwise allow. I remapped only about 3 weeks prior to the announcement regarding learning skills. Had I known, I'd have waited. Anyway, for Tama here, I get to dump my SP like I want to, then remap to a more optimal path without having to wait till endish of November next year.

On my other characters (none of which were created under the new system of 2 remaps for new players) all have their original remap available to them. My reading of what Navigator said is that they will (after the planned fix tomorrow) then have 2 remaps available to them. Thus, I'll be able to remap two times before I hit the 12 month counter. New players with their 2 remaps should have 3 - again, I think I'm reading Navigator correctly. It would also seem that the max number of stacked remaps would be 3 (for new players still having their original 2). I'm hoping that others are in agreement with me so far based on what Navigator said (the post I linked to earlier).

So, what question is left to be answered? Are you asking what happens to people who do not have a remap now (like Tama here) but whose timer will allow a remap very soon? Ie, will they get the +1 CCP intends for everyone PLUS a new one once the timer expires (again, I'm guessing here that the timer expires soonish)? I am not entirely sure I have discerned the answer, but I'm thinking that such characters would then have 2 remaps available. The free +1, and then the "next" or "second" one once the timer expires.

Thoughts? Do folks suspect I've got this right?

KurnKuku
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.15 21:47:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Tama Rens


Thoughts? Do folks suspect I've got this right?


I REALLY hope you have got it right. There has been more than enough whining around here over the last few months.

Bugone
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:20:00 - [34]
 

On one of my accounts, two of my characters have 3 remaps available, one character has no remaps available.

I definitely have had 1 remap available on both for a long time, it might have been 12 months.

I thought that prior to this patch that i wouldnt get the next 12 month remap until 12 months after i used my last remap.

Only explanation i can come up with is i had 1 remap, i got a second one because its been 12 months since i used a remap, and a third one for the christmas gift.

If thats true, i wonder if they have deliberately made the 12 monthly free remap stack, or if its a bug related to the Christmas gift ?

/me runs of to quickly use all my three remaps at once before a GM tries tries to confiscate one of them.

Khamiz
Catholic School for Boys
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:23:00 - [35]
 

I just checked my accounts - all 3 chars were on remap cooldown.
2 chars didn't receive the remap yet, and for the 3rd, the CD just reset.

That means, I don't get a free remap (which would be 1 year waiting saved - thats what everybody with available RPs gets), but instead just 3 month saving due to the early reset.
To break even with others, I would need to have 2 remaps by the time my current CD runs out.

In other words: if you had remap on CD, you get shafted, and the shorter the CD was, the more.

While this isn't the end of the world, I'd still like to have the full benefit, in the same way that players with available remaps get it.


Bugone
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:28:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Khamiz

In other words: if you had remap on CD, you get shafted, and the shorter the CD was, the more.



I think you might be wrong, unless you can think of another explanation for the three remaps i mention above.

Miss Pristine
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:45:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Miss Pristine on 15/12/2010 22:47:30
Originally by: Selinate
I'm not going to reply to your actual post since I didn't read it, but if you want a reply from a GM, make a petition. If you've already made one, then be patient and wait. Don't post it on the forums expecting a response from a GM.


Obviously they wont respond, but posting with that seems to draw in a larger crowd... maybe one will have tried it.

Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
I've never met a class of players with more of a sense of entitlement than Eve Online players.

Walk it off you pussies.


LOL, I dont care if I dont get it. Just want to know if its worth waiting for the current count down to finish or not. Past that Id just say your a douche bag.

Khamiz
Catholic School for Boys
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:47:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Khamiz on 15/12/2010 22:49:57
Originally by: Bugone
Originally by: Khamiz

In other words: if you had remap on CD, you get shafted, and the shorter the CD was, the more.



I think you might be wrong, unless you can think of another explanation for the three remaps i mention above.



You missed the point. If you already had 2 remaps available, you get a 3rd one on top - which means 1 year waiting on a remap saved.

Now, if you did NOT have a remap available, like me (my cooldown would have ended march 11th), you simply get the CD reset and have 1 remap available - which saves me a little under 3 month of waiting.

So basically, by getting an extra remap on top of your existing ones, you save a bit over 9 month more than I do.

To get the same "bang for the buck" that you get, I would need to get a free remap, and still get my current remap on march 11th, which would leave me with 2 available remaps on that day.

Bugone
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:57:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Khamiz


You missed the point. If you already had 2 remaps available, you get a 3rd one on top - which means 1 year waiting on a remap saved.

Now, if you did NOT have a remap available, like me (my cooldown would have ended march 11th), you simply get the CD reset and have 1 remap available - which saves me a little under 3 month of waiting.

So basically, by getting an extra remap on top of your existing ones, you save a bit over 9 month more than I do.



I believe i only had 1 remap available, i had not checked for a while, but i have reason to believe i had 2 prior to this patch.

I suspect that one of the two free remaps i got from this patch is essential because i got one for "cooldown already served".

So i believe your cooldown that ends on march 11th is still ticking down, or one of the two remaps i received in this patch will get taken away from me.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:05:00 - [40]
 


Bugone
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:07:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Akita T
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Twisted Evil


Akita can you rmember when you last did a remap, was it over 12 months ago ?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:10:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Bugone
Akita can you rmember when you last did a remap, was it over 12 months ago ?

Considering the attributes, namely 21/21/15/21/21 (+5 implants for all), or in other words, old 9/9/3cha/9/9, you can guess I never remapped Twisted Evil

Tama Rens
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:19:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Tama Rens on 15/12/2010 23:21:05
Originally by: Akita T
Considering the attributes, namely 21/21/15/21/21 (+5 implants for all), or in other words, old 9/9/3cha/9/9, you can guess I never remapped Twisted Evil


And I can't check to see if I'm in a similar boat to Akita (on my others, not Tama) as every one of my accounts has not gotten the remaps - I'm waiting to see after tomorrow's patch. Because two of mine have never remapped at all...

Edit: Akita's picture would imply it is the +1 as I discerned from Navigator's post. That and something else too... (not gonna talk about - why mess it up?)

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:24:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Tama Rens
Akita's picture would imply it is the +1 as I discerned from Navigator's post. That and something else too... (not gonna talk about - why mess it up?)

It's not like we'd use them anyway Laughing

But if we decided to use them, if we report it as a bug, it's not going to get fixed, and if we don't report it, it'll get fixed only if all the rest get fixed anyway.
Meanwhile, we can giggle at it.

Jejju
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:28:00 - [45]
 

Let's get an answer to a simple question, from the players.

Before this patch I had a remap available on 1 June 2011.

If I use the 'free remap' tomorrow, will my next remap be available on 1 June 2011 or on 15 December 2011.

Please don't just speculate or bull****. I want to hear from people with evidence.

Aenaenon
The Knights Who 'Til Recently Said Ni
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:32:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Jejju
Let's get an answer to a simple question, from the players.

Before this patch I had a remap available on 1 June 2011.

If I use the 'free remap' tomorrow, will my next remap be available on 1 June 2011 or on 15 December 2011.

Please don't just speculate or bull****. I want to hear from people with evidence.


This is exactly what I want to know as well. I had a remap due in two months. I also have a set of skills I wouldn't mind remapping for if I would get another when it was scheduled. However, I would not want to have to wait a year to remap just to train those.

Also, those that are scheduled a remap in the next week or two really get the shaft if all they got was a timer reset. They essentially aren't getting their free remap out of the update.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:33:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Jejju
Please don't just speculate or bull****. I want to hear from people with evidence.

Considering tomorrow is another patch specifically for this, even if somebody would actually have any evidence right now, it could be meaningless tomorrow.

Mia Restolo
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:40:00 - [48]
 

Hope this gets sorted out, my main should have had his cooldown finish today iirc and ended up with saving almost 8 hours of cooldown! Only one remap available on him atm, actually getting an extra would have been extremely useful.

Pretty much all of my alts received 2 remaps each, most were created before remapping so only had one before and are up to 3.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:52:00 - [49]
 

+1 want to know here, have 1 char that just finished the 12month cycle before the patch, has 2 remaps now, but other was a few weeks off and poking around the GUI doesn't say anything other that 'you are able to change your attributes every 12months' which is not a minimum but a maximum time limit.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:54:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
I've never met a class of players with more of a sense of entitlement than Eve Online players.

Walk it off you pussies.


+1
These forums and the stupid question asked prove that common sense does not come with intelligence.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:59:00 - [51]
 

The most hilarious part of everything is that there was absolutely no point in granting any additional remaps in the first place.
If they also added one free attribute point, then yeah, it would have made sense, since you'd have to distribute it somewhere.
But since that didn't happen, and everybody is left with the exact same custom-remappable attributes like before, why grant an extra remap at all ?

Amateratsu
Caldari
The Pegasus Project
Posted - 2010.12.16 00:51:00 - [52]
 


Just done a remap on 1 of my alt characters who got the free remap.
His remap timer reset to 1 year from today.

So it seems you will not get another remap when your timer was previously sceduled to finish.

So if you only have the 1 remap after todays patch, make the most of it as you won't get another for 1 year.....

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2010.12.16 02:17:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
I've never met a class of players with more of a sense of entitlement than Eve Online players.

Walk it off you pussies.


I was just asking the question.
When is it whining to pose a legitimate question?

Asswipe

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2010.12.16 02:29:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Amateratsu

Just done a remap on 1 of my alt characters who got the free remap.
His remap timer reset to 1 year from today.

So if you only have the 1 remap after todays patch, make the most of it as you won't get another for 1 year.....


This is the good answer.


Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.12.16 03:46:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 16/12/2010 04:28:22
(edit.. if the timer is still valid chalk the complaining tone up to poor communications to players) My characters that I care most (in terms of skills) about were on timers for remaps and had plans that for the remaining time for things that they need to train first.

An extra remap does a lot of good if you have one already.. that means that you can make plans optomized for less than a year period. Getting a remap sooner than expected does very little or no good at all if it is coming up quickly.

Basically, if a game is giving out a gift , it should give it to all players evenly. Things can't be -exactly- even, but it would be very equal if all players got a remap without reseting their timer.

Perhaps the CCP programmers were too lazy to figure a work out for that.

But of course , using the excuse of laziness runs to the polar opposite of EXcellence. Do they consider themself's creating an excellent product or not?

The alternative.. is to admit that the aren't lazy.. that they just don't care that they are treaing people unevenl...

If that so .. come out and say that "We have a policy of treating players unevenly ... HTFU " If they feel like being that kind of company fine... but thats creating a sense of unecessary and preventable ill will

If they are so lazy that they cannot fix the code to treat players evenly but come out with some "really would have liked to if we could" send notes to players with their original expiration date and allow them to petition for a stacked remap at that time.

A stacker remap...just like player who had one available now recieved... that allows for the exact same flexiblity.

Linda Flamewalker
Posted - 2010.12.16 04:03:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Amateratsu

Just done a remap on 1 of my alt characters who got the free remap.
His remap timer reset to 1 year from today.

So it seems you will not get another remap when your timer was previously sceduled to finish.

So if you only have the 1 remap after todays patch, make the most of it as you won't get another for 1 year.....


That is good to know. didnt want to be stuck with a year of charisma :) you saved me from a really painful time

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.16 10:26:00 - [57]
 

Hello everyone,

Would just like to confirm that using your free remap will reset your remap timer.

Amateratsu
Caldari
The Pegasus Project
Posted - 2010.12.16 10:30:00 - [58]
 


What about if you don't use it, will you get another when the current timer expires?Very Happy

Commander Phoenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.16 10:35:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Amateratsu

What about if you don't use it, will you get another when the current timer expires?Very Happy


I would like to know this too. If the current timer has been deleted as I now have 1 remap available then fine, but please let me know if I should remap now or wait till June when my original remap timer was due to end.

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2010.12.16 10:35:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Amateratsu

What about if you don't use it, will you get another when the current timer expires?Very Happy


yeah, this. I'm supposed to get a remap tomorrow, i suppose i'm rather boned if this free remap overwrites my current timer Laughing


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