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Kuso Tabeteshine
Posted - 2010.12.19 20:35:00 - [301]
 

Been watching this thread since the beginning and I can't believe CCP has not posted an answer. I too had a remap coming up soon and so it seems that I'm now at a disadvantage compared to players that already got one and didn't use it.

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2010.12.19 22:12:00 - [302]
 

Yup, looks like we'll just have to keep this thread bumped up until they get fed up and actually give us a response.

It's rather irritating that the Devs just overlook the thread, we know they're browsing the forums as you see responses on the most silly questions that can be answered in NPC corp chat. Though as soon as it's something questioning their motives or in fact their lack of motivation to commit to quality patches they go silent.

Reminds me of the whole Roflket threadnaught, the only responses we got from CCP were actually "Removing post due to spam".

Jor Zeelot
Posted - 2010.12.20 01:01:00 - [303]
 

Quite obviously they don't actually know themselves. I guess the programmers never told them and they don't feel bothered to ask. We will have to wait until they find out through empirical means. Then they will come here and answer it, after players who themselves found out by the same empirical means already answered it for us.

Emperor D'Hoffryn
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.12.20 07:07:00 - [304]
 

posting to bump and add that I did not get a free remap. I got .5 a free remap. Had I gotten an actual free remap, I would now have 1.5 remaps and I would get the the last .5 for 2 remaps sometime in june.

At least this unfairness is random, and no player could intentionally make use of it, but its still not fair. some people got a whole free remap. I got a 6 months off my timer. Bleh.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.12.20 08:56:00 - [305]
 

Guys.. remember that its not the other half of the .5 that is the real issue.

The issue is the Stacking... getting an remap stacked means that you can make a plan where you train something for less than 6 months before switching...extremely valuable for something like a pvp player moving to a capital ship and needing 3 + months of drones (and 4+ without remapping specifically).

That is not an unusual situation at all (there are others like getting up to mega corp managment or super wcommand etc where charisma would be the key for a few months)


Over 3 or 4 months you can easily gain 1 million more sp during that short peirod if you have STACKED remaps..that they gave out so liberally to maybe 60% plus of characters.

Also, the fraction of a remap are really far less than the fraction they imply.

Oviously if you just remapped you wouldn't want to remap again for at least a few months... but most of us think ahead peopel make a plan to expire exactly when the next remap was due.. my .3 of a remap is worth nothing because i need the current attributes to finish up some stuff before i map the opposite way.

Remapping means planning ahead... a suprise shortening does no good unless you planned poorly.

No if they gave something like a .5 of a remap that meant i could remap again in 6 months ? (LOL ok im warping the concept irreperably) the point is if we had known 8 months ago that we would get a fraction of a remap perhaps it would be worth that whole fraction if we had the time to plan ahead.

so Tldr.. we didn't even get the value of fraction of an implant..and the real real advantage that other playes were given was the stacked nature of the implants that allow significantly higher training speeds in less common primary skills for the less than year period needed.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.12.20 09:01:00 - [306]
 

Remeber too that they were going to sell remaps for a plex a piece... current value of about 350 million isk.

Those were going to be valuable because you could use them when you wanted them .

Other characters were just given 350 million isk basically and you weren't (probably worth more than that to most of us on certain characters.. I'd pay more for each when i want to train to get my main into a carrier ... they aren't worth a thing hardly on cyno alts etc(well latent value if ever sold or developed after moving a high sp off the account)


white kight
Helljumpers
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.12.20 09:56:00 - [307]
 

At the end of the day it was marketed as a FREE remap, which implied that it was an extra one on top. The 1 year timer is too long anyway, but I think what most people object to is being told 1 thing, another thing happening and then being completely ignored when they complain about it. Its not like CCP isn't reading the forums, they are just chosing to try to brush this one under the carpet.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.12.20 10:32:00 - [308]
 

Originally by: white kight
At the end of the day it was marketed as a FREE remap, which implied that it was an extra one on top. The 1 year timer is too long anyway, but I think what most people object to is being told 1 thing, another thing happening and then being completely ignored when they complain about it. Its not like CCP isn't reading the forums, they are just chosing to try to brush this one under the carpet.


Well I do imagine that the people who would make a decision will probably be on vacation this week and next ... at least not able to conference together in a way to come up with a solution all are on board with.

So, keep your frustration hot ... spread it to your corpmates and bring it up en-mass the first week in January... everyone should be able to quantify it better once the evemon voluneers (salute to them) get the ap we love back up to full operation.

(btw my anger the firs day was totally set off by the little explanation post we got pretenting like it was all logical and had been well thought out etc and was as fair as they could get or soemthing....the actual statment warped in so many ways that I lost my cool ... i've soothed myself thinking it was a mistake made in haste with a quick last minute change by the worng department turning it upside down)

Pingu
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.12.20 11:39:00 - [309]
 

Originally by: CCP Prism X
I'm not telling you the design is flawless, but the implementation is by design.


Not getting a free remap will cost me 656640 skillpoints, or about two weeks training over the course of next year.

This is based on a loss of 180 sp/hour for 152 days when compared to someone who has the same skills in their queue as me but who actually got a free remap and not just a timer reset.

This design and implementation is indeed far from flawless, it causes an imbalance within the game and needs corrected.

Originally by: CCP Prism X
Echelon


Just to add about the Echelon, if we never got one I dont think anyone would care. Comparing this to a remap, which is exceptionally useful, or using the Echelon as any sort of argument here shows bad judgement indeed.

To put this another way, I can buy an Echelon on the market any time but can you show me where I can buy the 656640 skill points I will be losing?

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.12.20 16:22:00 - [310]
 

At the end of the day we all know SP/Hour is important SP is the only thing in Eve we can't speed up. If someone else gets more than me per hour because someone couldn't be bothered to implement a proper system then I'm not a happy bunny.

So Cash
Posted - 2010.12.22 19:25:00 - [311]
 

Edited by: So Cash on 22/12/2010 19:25:31
Originally by: Miss Pristine
Edited by: Miss Pristine on 15/12/2010 17:56:07
Edited by: Miss Pristine on 15/12/2010 17:45:14
I have a remap that will be available on Jan 5. With the free remap they just gave us... Will this just reset the remap I will receive in Jan?

Meaning... If I use this remap, will it create a new countdown and my old one will go away? If I save the remap till the original was available, will I have 2 then?


You use your remap now, you have to wait a year. You wait till January nothing will happen no extra remap for waiting the year.

Sucks eh? Apparently not according to the lack of responses from CCP.

Dawne Xi
Minmatar
3D Salvage and Acquisitions
Posted - 2010.12.23 23:59:00 - [312]
 

If I had waited a couple of months, I'd have 3 remaps right now, instead I got my timer reset about 9 to 10 months before the end of my current remap.

This is what makes me not like how this was implemented. Especially when CCP has said that those who never remapped had an implicit remap and were given 2 remaps. Well what about those of us who only remapped for the very first time a couple of months ago? Didn't we earn an implicit remap too? Or are you saying because we remapped, we lost the implicit remap? Total Fail on implementing this CCP.

Dawne Xi
Minmatar
3D Salvage and Acquisitions
Posted - 2010.12.28 19:50:00 - [313]
 

Would at least like to see CCP post on this thread one last time and admit they screwed this up.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.12.28 19:53:00 - [314]
 

"...the logs show nothing to support your petition."

Thats what the magic 8-ball told me just now. ugh


Shadow Sleuth
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.29 12:50:00 - [315]
 

My next remap was due end of Jan.. now it's available, but I still need to finish my queue before Jan, otherwise I won't be able to train ships efficiantly for a year... the so called 'free' remap would have meant i could get a little more in before end of Jan, but as it is for all intents and purposes I didn't get a free remap... Filed a petition and GM grave is trying to tell me it wasn't a christmas present... it's a learning skill refund, because they changed our base attributes we should be allowed to remap... He can't seem to explain adequately why though... How is anyone going to change there skillplan due to the refund?

Effectively we all got the same gift, but for some of us it'll make a huge skill training advantage, for others it's completely useless... which puts us at a disadvantage.

We all pay the same subscription, but in this sandbox some of us get a shovel, others get ****.

CCP ought not to meddled with remaps or given us rempas that don't mess with the timer. A dev said earlier in this topic that people that have waited a year deserve there hard earned remap.... but apparently if you waited 11 months you are SOL.

Sense of entitlement is not what we're dealing with here... it's a level playing ground.

Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2010.12.29 13:36:00 - [316]
 

Everyone afflicted should read this thread and show support:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1439580

Cheers

Shadow Sleuth
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.30 10:28:00 - [317]
 

Edited by: Shadow Sleuth on 30/12/2010 10:28:11
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1440049&page=1

Alternate sugestion to the CSM for a fix ... seperate the timer and the granted remap.

Nakaota
Posted - 2011.01.06 00:22:00 - [318]
 

Edited by: Nakaota on 06/01/2011 00:23:13

Nothing ever gets accomplished on the assembly hall forums. It's just an elaborate dead end set up to make people feel like they're being heard.

So, my theory is that CCP simply DOESN'T KNOW how to fix the issue. So they applied the remaps to all accounts, and in many cases incorrectly, and now they have no way of knowing who had how many remaps pre-patch. The thing that bothers me is the fact that they won't say ANYTHING. I guess they're hoping that most people are too dumb to realize how they got screwed and this will just blow over. And they're probably right.

Dawne Xi
Minmatar
3D Salvage and Acquisitions
Posted - 2011.01.15 04:25:00 - [319]
 

Yeah probably hoping it will blow over .. just one more thing....

Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2011.01.15 15:33:00 - [320]
 

Originally by: Nakaota
I guess they're hoping that most people are too dumb to realize how they got screwed and this will just blow over. And they're probably right.

This tbh. Sad

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2011.01.15 19:45:00 - [321]
 

Agreed, I still haven't got round to using the remap because my plan doesn't finish for another month two months. Would of sure been nice to train a different path for a few months though...

Major Snitch
Posted - 2011.01.15 20:07:00 - [322]
 

Edited by: Major Snitch on 15/01/2011 20:08:43
Yes CCP screwed over player's on this ...and yes they don't care the (no comment reply there plan) what come's around goes around some day they will go to far and i will be there to laugh in there face Very HappyVery Happy incursion is going to fail and CCP keeps griefing there core player base. and the core player base is what keeps this game alive ....when this happen CCP can i have your stuff Rolling Eyes

Commander Phoenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.16 14:12:00 - [323]
 

Yeah. My remap was originally due to end in June. I've still not used my 'free remap' and won't until...

Wait for it...

June!

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2011.01.16 16:39:00 - [324]
 

Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 16/01/2011 16:39:59
I ended up with 2 remaps. If they give the whiners who only got the timer reset an additional remap then I should also get an extra one since the only reason I ended up with 2 is I had one saved (didn't burn it like the whiners). The whiners won't think that is fair so they'll want an extra one, but then so will I.

Commander Phoenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.18 03:58:00 - [325]
 

I don't want another remap. I want a my timer reset in June not to be affected if I remap now with my 'free remap'

Pilot Test
Posted - 2011.01.18 09:35:00 - [326]
 

I am happy with my 3 remaps still not used :D

Deleros Revo
Posted - 2011.01.31 15:55:00 - [327]
 

Originally by: Commander Phoenix
I don't want another remap. I want a my timer reset in June not to be affected if I remap now with my 'free remap'

This


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