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Miss Pristine
Posted - 2010.12.15 17:39:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Miss Pristine on 15/12/2010 17:56:07
Edited by: Miss Pristine on 15/12/2010 17:45:14
I have a remap that will be available on Jan 5. With the free remap they just gave us... Will this just reset the remap I will receive in Jan?

Meaning... If I use this remap, will it create a new countdown and my old one will go away? If I save the remap till the original was available, will I have 2 then?

Keira Matrix
Posted - 2010.12.15 17:42:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Miss Pristine
I have a remap that will be available on Jan 5. With the free remap they just gave us... Will this just reset the remap I will receive in Jan?

Meaning... If I use this remap, will it create a new countdown and my old one will go away? If I save the remap till the original was available, will I have 2 then?




I think it will reset it. But the question is if you wait until the 5th will you get a second one.

Caltharian
Gallente
Black Core Federation
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.12.15 17:46:00 - [3]
 

I dont think you will get one in Jan as i already had a remap available and still only have 1 remap available, which is a pitty a 2nd remap would have been very handy to swap over and do some training on skills that arent in my main plan.

Keira Matrix
Posted - 2010.12.15 17:49:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Keira Matrix on 15/12/2010 17:57:59
Edited by: Keira Matrix on 15/12/2010 17:50:05
Originally by: Caltharian
I dont think you will get one in Jan as i already had a remap available and still only have 1 remap available, which is a pitty a 2nd remap would have been very handy to swap over and do some training on skills that arent in my main plan.


If you did not get your remap today you should get it in tomorrows DT. *It's a know issue*


Edit: I had 1 left on this character, it now has 2.

Maximillian Dragonard
Posted - 2010.12.15 17:49:00 - [5]
 

I have one alt that still had a remap available. It now has 2 remaps available.. My other 2 accounts haven't received their remaps yet ugh.

SurrenderMonkey
Posted - 2010.12.15 17:54:00 - [6]
 

I, too, had an alt with one remap available which now has two, and my main had one available and still only has one.

Tama Rens
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:00:00 - [7]
 

This account didn't get the remap (I know, being worked on, I'm not stressing). My other accounts which had remaps available seem to still have a remap available, but I've not seen the extra (+1 remap) that others have reported.

So, didn't get it here, and my others that had a remap all seem to still have only 1 remap. (That's fine if that's how it is supposed to be.) My question is about these +1 remaps that some have reported. Are we all supposed to be +1 remap (allowing for 2 available or more even) or was the free remap intended to simply be a reset of the timer.

Darth PVisor
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:02:00 - [8]
 

I too would love to know this answer,

I had a remap that was coming up on Feb 2nd.

Since it is suppose to be a free remap, on the 2nd I Should now have 2...

If not, it is hardly free since someone, who lets say, had a free remap 5 days ago, now gets another, yet anyone who had 1 coming up only gets his time *shortened*.

On the SiSi it reset if you used it, but the question is, if I DO NO USE IT until the 2nd will I have 2 or not.

Keira Matrix
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:03:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Keira Matrix on 15/12/2010 18:08:57
Edited by: Keira Matrix on 15/12/2010 18:06:50
Originally by: Tama Rens
This account didn't get the remap (I know, being worked on, I'm not stressing). My other accounts which had remaps available seem to still have a remap available, but I've not seen the extra (+1 remap) that others have reported.

So, didn't get it here, and my others that had a remap all seem to still have only 1 remap. (That's fine if that's how it is supposed to be.) My question is about these +1 remaps that some have reported. Are we all supposed to be +1 remap (allowing for 2 available or more even) or was the free remap intended to simply be a reset of the timer.


Everyone was supposed to get a remap because of the change regardless if they had 1 already. Those that did not get one should get them during tomorrows DT.

Edit: timer will only reset if you use the remap. If you use your remap I think you'll find the timer will reset for a full year.

Tama Rens
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:07:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Keira Matrix
Everyone was supposed to get a remap because of the change regardless if they had 1 already. Those that did not get one should get them during tomorrows DT.


I know that.

I know that I have a remap coming on this character tomorrow. Great.

I'm more curious as to how the remap is working. Is it +1 for all (meaning possible to have 2 or more) or is it just to make sure that people have a remap (and thus is a reset for all of the timer)?

Keira Matrix
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:10:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Keira Matrix on 15/12/2010 18:28:44
Edited by: Keira Matrix on 15/12/2010 18:15:26
Originally by: Tama Rens
Originally by: Keira Matrix
Everyone was supposed to get a remap because of the change regardless if they had 1 already. Those that did not get one should get them during tomorrows DT.


I know that.

I know that I have a remap coming on this character tomorrow. Great.

I'm more curious as to how the remap is working. Is it +1 for all (meaning possible to have 2 or more) or is it just to make sure that people have a remap (and thus is a reset for all of the timer)?


Yep it's possible to have 2 even 3 in the case of new characters.

The question in this thread that needs answering from a GM is that if people wait until they are due another one will they actually get it. Because normally the timer is only going when you don't have a remap stored. Timer only starts after you use the second remap on a new character.

Edit:
The more I think about this the more I think you will get the additional remap if you wait, but if you use the one you have it's likely to reset the timer. But it would be nice to get this confirmed one way or the other.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:33:00 - [12]
 

Quote:
The question in this thread that needs answering from a GM is that if people wait until they are due another one will they actually get it. Because normally the timer is only going when you don't have a remap stored. Timer only starts after you use the second remap on a new character.

Edit:
The more I think about this the more I think you will get the additional remap if you wait, but if you use the one you have it's likely to reset the timer. But it would be nice to get this confirmed one way or the other.



Agreed. I have a remap coming up in May but if this one burns that one and the timer goes back to 12 months then I will wait until May to use it so I can have the flexibility of remapping at optimal times.



Conor Todaki
Pure Evil Warriors
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:36:00 - [13]
 

Was about to ask the same thing. I have a re-map available on christmas day but if I can use 2 and save that one on christmas that qould be awesome. Dev please answer.

Tama Rens
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:44:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Tama Rens on 15/12/2010 18:52:01
Well, and it seems we have a range of possibilities. From folks not getting one at all (again, they know this, are fixing, anyone like this character will be fine) to people who have one available now getting an extra one (and I seem to think this has happened for vets and newer players alike) to players who have one now and still have one now, but only one.

Seems like the remaps acted differently amongst players. I think we're all agreeing that an official explanation from CCP about what was intended is in order (with our thanks of course). Is it reset of timer (thus once used it starts the 12 month countdown) or is it +1 to total remaps available? Or is it something else entirely lol...

Edit: Seems all I had to do was read a bit more before posting (of course...). Navigator has answered our (or at least my) question here.

Seems that the free remap is intended to be a +1 to remaps for everyone. Thus, if you have 1, you'll have 2. Have 2, now you have 3. Have none, you now have 1. Awesome! That really is a Christmas gift! And thus, thank you CCP.

Miss Pristine
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:11:00 - [15]
 

but if you wait a week or two till next remap anyway will you have 2 then?

Keira Matrix
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:47:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Keira Matrix on 15/12/2010 19:48:11


Originally by: Miss Pristine
but if you wait a week or two till next remap anyway will you have 2 then?



We know that you can have more than 1 stored remap ready for use.
We know that the timer does not start until you have used all your stored remaps.
We also know that the timer is not normally running if you have a stored remap available.
We know that once the timer finishes it gives you a remap and then the timer is not displayed until you use that remap.

So looking at what we know it's likely if you wait you will get another remap to use.

If you use the remap before getting the next one then there's a high probability of resetting the timer.

If we don't get an answer on this from a GM then it would be worth you waiting the two weeks to find out. And post your findings.

Fianna Illyasfeld
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:50:00 - [17]
 

Still waiting for tomorrows patch before I get my remap.

But, I got a remap coming up on the 30th of december and I would like to know an answer to this question as well.

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:03:00 - [18]
 

+1, also wants to know. I suspect there was no answer in feedback thread cos GMs themselves dont know :~

Fianna Illyasfeld
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:23:00 - [19]
 

The proper way to do this is to give everyone a truely free remap that does not affect any timers whatsoever so that no one gets advantages relative to others.

If it turns out that this resets the timers then some people will get more advantages than others

If you had a remap avalible, you will now have two.
If you remapped 3 months ago you will get a new remap so you can do whatever you want with it.
If you have a remap coming up within a week you will be shafted and the remap wont really do anything for you.

KurnKuku
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:25:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: KurnKuku on 15/12/2010 20:29:57
You don't need a GM to answer this, just ask any noob. They have two to start, and if they use one, they still have one they can use. When you get to zero, the clock starts and you wait 12 months until you get another. It will be no different with the given one today.

If yesterday you were 1 month from a remap, as you had used your last 11 months ago, then basically all they have done is brought the one you would of got in a month forward to you.

If you were 11 months from your next remap, they have brought that one forward to you.

It sounds a bit unfair when I think of it like that. I can see you points.

Miss Pristine
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:27:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: KurnKuku
You don't need a GM to answer this, just ask any noob. They have two to start, and if they use one, they still have one they can use. When you get to zero, the clock starts and you wait 12 months until you get another. It will be no different with the given one today.


Actually it could be very different.

Depends on how it was implemented. Is it a gift we all can use or a gift for the ones that just remaped before the patch.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:28:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: KurnKuku
You don't need a GM to answer this, just ask any noob. They have two to start, and if they use one, they still have one they can use. When you get to zero, the clock starts and you wait 12 months until you get another. It will be no different with the given one today.


Next time read what you are responding to.

For those that have a cool down timer on the remaps - is it reset by using this remap or not?

Can you answer that???

Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:30:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Tama Rens


Edit: Seems all I had to do was read a bit more before posting (of course...). Navigator has answered our (or at least my) question here.




Read the quoted above.

This is the post that Tama linked to in case your not interested in clicking on the link and getting answers.

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Vespoi Filar
Previous to the 1.0.1 release I had a remap already available and unused.

Does the Free Remap in 1.0.1 mean I now have 2? Or just the one that I hadn't used yet?


Yes. If you had no remaps available we have given you a free remap so you now have one. If you had one available you will now have two.

Please check the original post in this thread as there have been some issues with the free neural remap which will be fixed during downtime tomorrow.

Trocent
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:31:00 - [24]
 

I have never remapped. I now have 3. Booya!

KurnKuku
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:31:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: KurnKuku on 15/12/2010 21:16:05


Originally by: Miss Pristine
Originally by: KurnKuku
You don't need a GM to answer this, just ask any noob. They have two to start, and if they use one, they still have one they can use. When you get to zero, the clock starts and you wait 12 months until you get another. It will be no different with the given one today.


Actually it could be very different.

Depends on how it was implemented. Is it a gift we all can use or a gift for the ones that just remaped before the patch.


Yes sorry I updated my post after you wrote yours, have a re read, I can imagine someone who was only a few weeks away feeling abit griefed that someone who was 11 months away got theirs also.

Not sure now, but I bet the thread will ignite. Will be interesting to see how they did implement it.

Miss Pristine
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:34:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Miss Pristine on 15/12/2010 20:34:17
Originally by: Ashina Sito
Originally by: Tama Rens


Edit: Seems all I had to do was read a bit more before posting (of course...). Navigator has answered our (or at least my) question here.




Doesnt really answer the question.
Read the quoted above.

This is the post that Tama linked to in case your not interested in clicking on the link and getting answers.

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Vespoi Filar
Previous to the 1.0.1 release I had a remap already available and unused.

Does the Free Remap in 1.0.1 mean I now have 2? Or just the one that I hadn't used yet?


Yes. If you had no remaps available we have given you a free remap so you now have one. If you had one available you will now have two.

Please check the original post in this thread as there have been some issues with the free neural remap which will be fixed during downtime tomorrow.



Doesnt really answer the question.

KurnKuku
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:35:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: KurnKuku on 15/12/2010 20:38:40

Originally by: Riedle
Originally by: KurnKuku
You don't need a GM to answer this, just ask any noob. They have two to start, and if they use one, they still have one they can use. When you get to zero, the clock starts and you wait 12 months until you get another. It will be no different with the given one today.


Next time read what you are responding to.

For those that have a cool down timer on the remaps - is it reset by using this remap or not?

Can you answer that???


Yes sorry a little hyper atm, missed the point after initally posting but was updating as you all posted.

I would think so yes, however I don't know for sure. Having updated my previous post you quoted, it does seem that some people will feel a bit like they have missed out if it does reset the clock. Eg, they only get 1 month benefit, whilst others get 11.

This thread I feel may start another whinefest if how I think it is working is the case. Hopefully all they have done is hidden the clock, it is certainly not showing at the moment.

Daesis Wrack
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2010.12.15 21:12:00 - [28]
 

Do you really expect CCP to have thought this through? All they did was run "remaps++" on everyone. If you already have any remaps, you will not gain another one based on time elapsed. When you use your last, the next will become available in 12 months.

Yeah, it isn't very fair when you compare someone who just a remap on Dec 10th to someone who would have been getting one on Dec 20th, but since when do we expect CCP to have done it right?

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2010.12.15 21:14:00 - [29]
 

I'm not going to reply to your actual post since I didn't read it, but if you want a reply from a GM, make a petition. If you've already made one, then be patient and wait. Don't post it on the forums expecting a response from a GM.

Sleekman
Minmatar
The Inf1dels
B O R G
Posted - 2010.12.15 21:18:00 - [30]
 

I had a boxing day remap coming, I would like the answer to this.


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