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Marcus Afar
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:35:00 - [121]
 

Regarding the Mac Issue, where will we be informed about the fixes?
We cant get it off of the client login screen notifications.
Just checking cause Im not familiar with where to look.

And as the previous poster asked, I think I have 3 a little under 4 days of training programmed but Id be awfully disappointed IF I lost training time.
Will this be reimbursed?

Thank you for the rapid response about the Mac issues.

Tarikan
Minmatar
Hardcore p0wnography
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:43:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: xiphia
Why can't I login? I keep getting the bulk data error at 21/46 :(


still getting this as well, i tried reinstalling the eve client wiping all saved files, resetting cache and settings and still i am not able to get past this.


Mibad
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:44:00 - [123]
 

Edited by: Mibad on 15/12/2010 19:50:06
Nevermind.

xiphia
Caldari
Shasarazade Security and Defence Services
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:49:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Tarikan
Originally by: xiphia
Why can't I login? I keep getting the bulk data error at 21/46 :(


still getting this as well, i tried reinstalling the eve client wiping all saved files, resetting cache and settings and still i am not able to get past this.




This is really annoying! I have never had this problem before. I need to set a skill training Mad

Fianna Illyasfeld
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:52:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Vespoi Filar
Previous to the 1.0.1 release I had a remap already available and unused.

Does the Free Remap in 1.0.1 mean I now have 2? Or just the one that I hadn't used yet?


Yes. If you had no remaps available we have given you a free remap so you now have one. If you had one available you will now have two.

Please check the original post in this thread as there have been some issues with the free neural remap which will be fixed during downtime tomorrow.


I had one coming up on the 30th december.

Will the free remap affect this timer?

Please tell me that it wont. Confused

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:52:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Eija Riitta

The SP people got was not free, it was acquired over apropriate amount of time spent on learning skills. So the decrease of 72sp/hr is in no way remedied by the "free" SP, it's an actual increase in learning time that translates to over 600.000 SP in a year.
So here's a little brain teaser for you: think before you flame, of you'll just make an ass of yourself.


Before:
  • max learning speed 2772.
  • useful skills
  • 5mil SP of useless skills


After:
  • max learning speed 2700
  • useful skills
  • 5 million SP to reallocate from useless to useful skills.


So yes, there is a slight reduction in the maximum training speed, which is compensated for by not having to lock SP into skills which don't do anything to gameplay.

A 20 million SP character used to have 15million of useful skills, and a max speed of 2772.
a 20 million SP character now has 20 million in useful skills.

See the benefit yet?

DefGab C
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:57:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: DefGab C
Anybody experiencing missing implants? I got 2 alts with missing +5 implants. All of the implants gone...vamoosh Shocked


You would need to submit a petition and let the Game Masters investigate this for you.


Forget about this post.. I just remembered something happen to those 2 alts, Thanks for the reply CCP Navigator

Eija Riitta
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:02:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon


Before:
  • max learning speed 2772.
  • useful skills
  • 5mil SP of useless skills


After:
  • max learning speed 2700
  • useful skills
  • 5 million SP to reallocate from useless to useful skills.


So yes, there is a slight reduction in the maximum training speed, which is compensated for by not having to lock SP into skills which don't do anything to gameplay.

A 20 million SP character used to have 15million of useful skills, and a max speed of 2772.
a 20 million SP character now has 20 million in useful skills.

See the benefit yet?


Seems to be only a short-term gain, in 7.2 years it will cancel out ;)
Okay, I get the point. Thanks for explaining without being an *******.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:05:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Vespoi Filar
Previous to the 1.0.1 release I had a remap already available and unused.

Does the Free Remap in 1.0.1 mean I now have 2? Or just the one that I hadn't used yet?


Yes. If you had no remaps available we have given you a free remap so you now have one. If you had one available you will now have two.

Please check the original post in this thread as there have been some issues with the free neural remap which will be fixed during downtime tomorrow.


Further to this. If I use this remap and I am currently scheduled to get my next remap in May - will I then have to wait until next December to use my next remap (reset the timer) or will I be able to remap again in May as per usual?

If it does reset the remap timer I will wait until May to remap then still have another remap available (assuming that they will still stack and the timer hasn't been reset already).

Just wondering because if it does just reset it then this 'free remap' is not near as beneficial to those with no remaps available right now compared to those that do.

Thanks and great patch!

Fitzwitt
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:06:00 - [130]
 

Not sure I understand what was supposed to happen, but before the patch I had 8 days left on training Gallente industrial V, now it has increased to over 10 days, when I check my attributes I have more points than before (perception 27, willpower 21), so why is that it takes longer to train now?

Did they change the amount of SP gained per hour? I read the Dev blog (http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=824) and no-where it states a change in the sp per hour...if that in fact is the case it just really sucks...confused now..

mustangsally31
Amarr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:06:00 - [131]
 

So I put my SP where I wanted,in game it shows my full sp as it should be, but in Evemon and other apps it shows me with the SP not redistribiuted, is it an API problem,Question it only happened on this account, all my other accounts updated just fine using those apps.

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:10:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Khi3l
I can confirm than now, my base attributes are all 17 ... What about 20/20/19/20/20 as in the DevBlog ? 14 attributes points not given with the patch ...


Your attributes total will be 99 attributes which have a base of 17/17/17/17/17. You will have a free neural remap available which allows you to remap 14 points as you see fit so you can have 20/20/20/20/19.

Please note you can assign attributes as you see fit up to a maximum of 27 in one attribute. Implants will, of course, stack on top of this.


Uhm.. ok. Why not just implement the 20s/19 from the start instead of requiring players to do it for you guys? That really doesn't make any sense. It makes the whole notion of a free remap kind of a pointless gesture. Infact it only complicates matters for some people, including myself.

You folks really need to speak up and explain what is going to happen reguarding remap timers. If we use this 'free' one, does the timer reset? Do we have to wait however many days/months for our natural remap before using this 'free' one, so as not to upset the original timer? If that's the case.. why am I and others screwed out of either 14 attributes til then, or our original remap plan?

I find this to be quite a big hole in all of this, people.. like myself, are a bit anal when it comes to training at our best 24/7 under personal constructed plans. Some clarity on the matter would be most welcome. Thank you.

Richecko
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:11:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Grotrian
As several other MAC users mentioned above, I downloaded the patch but can no longer access the game. Opening the client just give me a black screen that requires a hard computer restart to get out of.

Solutions?


We have alerted our Mac Developers about this problem. In the meantime some players have already developed a workaround which you can read about here.


I would just note that I've had the same black screen problem. The thread referenced had two workarounds neither of which worked for me. Since I have no idea whether the user-supplied recommendations have left my system in a state a future CCP mac dev team fix would resolve, I'm now trying a fresh install - but it's a 2hr wait for a fresh download of the installer. Noone has replied yet whether the fresh install works on Mac.

Khaemwese
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:12:00 - [134]
 

Edited by: Khaemwese on 15/12/2010 20:28:33
Originally by: Fitzwitt
Not sure I understand what was supposed to happen, but before the patch I had 8 days left on training Gallente industrial V, now it has increased to over 10 days, when I check my attributes I have more points than before (perception 27, willpower 21), so why is that it takes longer to train now?

Did they change the amount of SP gained per hour? I read the Dev blog (http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=824) and no-where it states a change in the sp per hour...if that in fact is the case it just really sucks...confused now..


Previous max SP/h was 2772, it's now 2700.

Max you could have in a single attribute was (15 base + 10 skill + 5 implant) * 1.1 = 33

Now the max is (27 base + 0 skills + 5 implant) * 1.0 = 32

The multiplier was Learning skill V.

If you have all you points mapped to only 2 attributes (say a primary maxed out and a secondary with the leftover) the max is now 32/26 and it used to be 33/26.4

Originally by: mustangsally31
So I put my SP where I wanted,in game it shows my full sp as it should be, but in Evemon and other apps it shows me with the SP not redistribiuted, is it an API problem,Question it only happened on this account, all my other accounts updated just fine using those apps.


Try increasing the timeout on EveMon to a full minute. I have 5 toons, after I did that one finally refreshed, still waiting on the other 4 though Sad

Aelana Anais
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:18:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: Aelana Anais on 15/12/2010 20:18:22
There appears to be an API glitch going on with skills you added and skilled up using learning skills SP.

In game and on my character sheet at www.eveonline.com/character/skilltree.asp?characterID=xxxxxxxx it shows Medium Blaster Spec at 3 (a skill I injected after filling the prereqs using learning skill SP and then used learning skill SP to get to level 3.

In the API and on the XML linked from that page it shows row typeID="12211" skillpoints="0" level="0" (which is Medium Blaster Specialization).

I did this right after the system was up so several hours ago.

This is of course messing with EVEMON and EveHQ and EFT.

Fitzwitt
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:22:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Khaemwese
Edited by: Khaemwese on 15/12/2010 20:14:39
Originally by: Fitzwitt
Not sure I understand what was supposed to happen, but before the patch I had 8 days left on training Gallente industrial V, now it has increased to over 10 days, when I check my attributes I have more points than before (perception 27, willpower 21), so why is that it takes longer to train now?

Did they change the amount of SP gained per hour? I read the Dev blog (http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=824) and no-where it states a change in the sp per hour...if that in fact is the case it just really sucks...confused now..


thank you! now it makes sense...dang 2 extra days for a 72 sp/hr change..ouch
Previous max SP/h was 2772, it's now 2700.

Originally by: mustangsally31
So I put my SP where I wanted,in game it shows my full sp as it should be, but in Evemon and other apps it shows me with the SP not redistribiuted, is it an API problem,Question it only happened on this account, all my other accounts updated just fine using those apps.


Try increasing the timeout on EveMon to a full minute. I have 5 toons, after I did that one finally refreshed, still waiting on the other 4 though Sad

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:25:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Khaemwese
Previous max SP/h was 2772, it's now 2700.

Max you could have in a single attribute was (15 base + 10 skill + 5 implant) * 1.1

Now the max is (17 base + 0 skills + 5 implant) * 1.0
The new max is 27 base + 5 implant.

Marcus Afar
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:26:00 - [138]
 

Richeko the fact it is a known MAC issue and it is being worked on directly indicates it is not fixed by reinstalling the client.
Also someone posted that they did reinstall without any help.

Your going to have to sit it out with the rest of us MAC users.
We just have to wait for some sort of message and you should probably not expect anything till after downtime or just before tomorrow.

Khaemwese
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:31:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Khaemwese
Previous max SP/h was 2772, it's now 2700.

Max you could have in a single attribute was (15 base + 10 skill + 5 implant) * 1.1

Now the max is (17 base + 0 skills + 5 implant) * 1.0
The new max is 27 base + 5 implant.


Stupid keyboards, always too small for my fingers Wink

Halvus
Minmatar
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:33:00 - [140]
 

Buying from the market is very laggy. I get the wallet flash but no item and no transaction in my wallet. So I repeat the purchase (thinking I had done something wrong) but still no item. Third time lucky I thought... but no. Then a minute or two later I get three items and three wallet transactions.

I think the market brokers are to blame. They're scamming us out of broker fees damn them!

Khaemwese
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:51:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: Khaemwese on 15/12/2010 21:03:25
never mind... didn't realize someone had already explained a couple of post before :p

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.15 21:02:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: I'thari
When you use up last available remap 1 year coundown starts. If you still have "x" remaps available - you will (most likely) always have "x". "X" will nither increase nor decrease in number (unless CCP will give/take away more remaps in future).

Kinda same as jumpclones: if you didn't use it for a year you won't be able to use it 365(6) times in a single day later Smile


I guess that makes sense. Thanks.

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2010.12.15 21:54:00 - [143]
 

Forge market Died

"Market authorites were unable to process your order. Please try again."

Cant sell my Minerals in 4-4, I keep trying for the last 40 minutes and every time get this message.

Wry Salen
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:07:00 - [144]
 

Buying items on the Forge market (possibly others) is currently not working as it should. I can hit buy, see the walet flash, but the transaction won't go through, and isk won't be deducted from my wallet untill I restart the client entierly.

Travis Steeman
The Black Company TBC
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:16:00 - [145]
 

I logged in to re-allocate the skill points recovered from the removal of Learning Skills. I had approximately 2.2 mil SP to use.

I applied several without incident, working as intended.

I then attemped to apply points to Acceleration Control to complete it to Level 5. At this point, I had apprxomimately 1.4 mill SP to reallocate. I set the number to finish off, some 421k,, press the button and nothing happened.

The skill did not raise to level 5.

The remaining SP pool is now gone, as in it has completely disappeared from the top of the Skill menu where it was located when I first logged in.

There is no longer any option to apply any SP upon right click

My current Skill Points do NOT reflect that any SP has been allocated. I logged out last night with 4.3mil SP (Approximate). After allocating nearly 700k of SP before this issue, I still have only 4.3 mil SP in my Current Skills list.

Additional Information: Certification Planner window was open at the time, viewing the skills that were being raised by SP re-allocation.

chrome diopside
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:44:00 - [146]
 

just wanted to mention that I've had an additional 12 hours added to the remaining 12 hours of a rank 6 level 5 skill. Is the new lower training rate of 2700 being applied retrospectively? Cos that just sucks... I spent almost 15 days on this and I was almost finished...

Hopefully you are already aware of this issue and dealing with it? Or do I have to raise a petition?

Cadian Craymarris
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:57:00 - [147]
 

So far I think this Sucks...... Give us back our learning skills I for one was better off.

Did CCP not say the skills base will be 20,20,20,20,19? They are all 17 like everyone's elses.

Also I did not get a remap.

I have seen a DEV commit about the re-maps and said it will be fixed, thank you I'll wait.

So far I have not seen anyone at CCP address the points issue, Did CCP change their mind and decide to make it all 17's?

Jeff Nelson
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:09:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Fitzwitt
Not sure I understand what was supposed to happen, but before the patch I had 8 days left on training Gallente industrial V, now it has increased to over 10 days, when I check my attributes I have more points than before (perception 27, willpower 21), so why is that it takes longer to train now?

Did they change the amount of SP gained per hour? I read the Dev blog (http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=824) and no-where it states a change in the sp per hour...if that in fact is the case it just really sucks...confused now..


I'm guessing that since you didn't have your learning skills already at 5, and your training time went down, that you're a new character and still had the X2 training speed bonus, which is no longer in effect. So you will temporarily be slower at training than you were before - until you hit the point where the training bonus would have ended anyway, which I think is 1.6M sp. After that, you're better off.

Jeff Nelson
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:13:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Cadian Craymarris

So far I have not seen anyone at CCP address the points issue, Did CCP change their mind and decide to make it all 17's?


It has always been all 17s. Please read one of the dozen comments, including post #98 on page 4 by CCP Navigator.

Knathraq Drugahnij
Overlook Corp
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:35:00 - [150]
 

Seems the stupidity has no limit here, why don't you follow up on the messages coming from CCP instead of just whining. It would save alot of bull, about the 17/17/17/17/17, the first message about the subject the 20/20/20/20/19, has counted the +14 attributes into calculation but then ccp said that we would get an additional 14 attribute points that is why you all think it is not working or we haven't got them all but that is a misinterpretation.
17/17/17/17/17 + 14 extra = 20/20/20/20/19, and yes some will loose about 200 sp/hour, but you got a neural remap which will make up for that lower sp per hour - if you are smart...


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