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El Liptonez
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:48:00 - [61]
 

Thanks for the free remap! Very Happy

Now please slap that GM who didn't want to give me another remap after you decided against PLEX for remap. Laughing

Ming TMerciless
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:48:00 - [62]
 

i have a cald and gal char who yesterday were training there skills at differant rp's but now they are exactly the same?? eh

Inanna NiKunni
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:53:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Radianze
Edited by: Radianze on 15/12/2010 16:55:33
Dear CCP!

I would like to point out that, if i wouldnt be gay, i would love the special feature u put into the new patch
However can i plz get my Eye fixed and maybe my cloths back on (cloths are optional tho)

Proof:
Nakid char

ty



LOL - u may have taken too many boosters before u went to bed last night

Miss Pristine
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:57:00 - [64]
 

I have a remap that will be available on Jan 5. With the free remap they just gave us... Will this just reset the remap I will receive in Jan?

Meaning... If I use this remap, will it create a new countdown and my old one will go away? If I save the remap till the original was available, will I have 2 then?

I'thari
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:08:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Miss Pristine
I have a remap that will be available on Jan 5. With the free remap they just gave us... Will this just reset the remap I will receive in Jan?

Meaning... If I use this remap, will it create a new countdown and my old one will go away? If I save the remap till the original was available, will I have 2 then?
Most likely it will reset countdown as soon as you use it.

Kylie Minogues
ISA Istarska Svemirska agencija
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:10:00 - [66]
 

Gifts redeemed successfully. Remap not received. (on all 3 accounts of mine).
Eve client keeps crashing continuously in last hr on my comp.
With all the folks invading their char sheet and dumping SP probably.
All in all, compared to some other patches, this one went smoothly
(Sheesh. I never thought I'll write the words "patch" and "smooth" in the same sentence, in CCP's caseWink)
Not bad. Thankee for your efforts, CCPIdea
and all the guys on Sisi helping outCool.
Kind salutations.

Milla Jovobitch
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:19:00 - [67]
 

<3 This update was great, and thanks for the cool Christmas present!

GeorgeSand
Amarr
Krait Corp
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:23:00 - [68]
 

question.. i have my remap coming 22 dec, will that timer rest to 1 year cus if so this free remap isnt very useful for me

Tresie
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:24:00 - [69]
 

Nice patch so far.

Before patch I would have had a remap available by Febuary 2011.
Today I got the free remap in the patch.

My question is, will the remap "timer" reset when I use the free remap from the patch ? Or will i still get my "regular" remap in Febuary ?

JCache
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:29:00 - [70]
 

Not much of a patch, at least from my point of view, but the real patch is still a month away... we'll see.
So far the patches were more or less meh, but there's one thing I really like to know:
what's the point of the Echelon, apart from selling it to a collector?

Alariele
Caldari
Obscure Ops
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:32:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Alariele on 15/12/2010 20:13:01
Originally by: Duno666
A couple of other people have noted above, but some of us are actually training slower. Granted, 32 or 72 points per hour may not seem like a lot, but over a week, 72 pts/hr less means 12,096 sp less. I would think that someone at CCP would have noticed this and thought to give out 13 points ( or even the proper ~12.35 whatever points ) to every attribute.

One viewpoint could be that while helping new players, this hinders older players. A second one ( and more positively ) is that it is closing the gap between the new players and old players by only making implants a factor in training speed ( and remaps, of course ). On the gripping hand, however, it is still actively impairing everyone who planned far enough ahead to train up learning skills first.

This is absolutely unacceptable. I demand that we get our .35 whatever points to every attribute. My internet spaceships is serious business!

Humorously good try CCP, but you'll probably catch a bit of hell for that. I think it's just fine, but the small drop in SP/hr just made all of my skills take longer to train. Thanks for that.



I concur, everything else is fine, however would like to request that we get some sort of passive or even trainable skill that adds our 10% to the modified attributes.

We did go through a lot of planning for our skill queues and would definitely would appreciate the normal SP/hour training speed...

Alternatively an increase of the cap of the max attribute value + more points more for distribution ... you can even get them out of the current base attributes ...

The *"free"* SP to distribute was fine ... however for a LOT of us it was not free .. we actually did train all the skills and planned ahead.

Yes, closing the gap between new and old players is fine ... however please don't lay that on our back ... we have done our homework.

Mamba Lev
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:53:00 - [72]
 

Jita is laggy as hell and the overview is keeping the items in it greyed out from the previous system after jumping.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.15 19:57:00 - [73]
 

Good: Seems like you were on time.

Bad: How precisely do you screw up something as simple as one free remap per toon?

Please make sure you don't give those who received their free remap and used it today ANOTHER free remap.

And for chrissakes, stop feeding the goddamn EZ moders. WoWers are children. When children whine and it works, they whine more. You really want a game full of whiners?

HTFU CCP

Dalketh
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:02:00 - [74]
 

No offense but it is always funny when people complain about whiners, BY WHINING. Razz

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Good: Seems like you were on time.

Bad: How precisely do you screw up something as simple as one free remap per toon?

Please make sure you don't give those who received their free remap and used it today ANOTHER free remap.

And for chrissakes, stop feeding the goddamn EZ moders. WoWers are children. When children whine and it works, they whine more. You really want a game full of whiners?

HTFU CCP


Lorin Edehiel
Northmoor Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:28:00 - [75]
 

got some problem w RPs/day on many of my chars.
(showing invalid numbers)
specialy on those (chars) who started research today after SP distribution to Science branch

doubles ondoubles
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:46:00 - [76]
 

so
Linkage

why is tomorows patch 18 hours long?

Vested Interest
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:49:00 - [77]
 

Yo Devs when APIs?

Jason1138
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:49:00 - [78]
 

I'm training slower now than i was before the learning skills change. that's probably as you intended it, but i would like to object to that anyway

I had all t1 learning skills at 5, all t2 learning skills at 4, and the learning skill itself at 5. i had perception turned all the way up to 31 or whatever, as high as it would go with +5's. me losing the 10% learning skill, but gaining the point for clarity 5 has actually made me train perception skills slower than i was before

and i don't like it. again, i'm sure that's as intended on your end but your intention shouldn't be for people to be training slower today than they were yesterday i don't think

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2010.12.15 21:02:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: doubles ondoubles
so
Linkage

why is tomorows patch 18 hours long?


We had a stray one infiltrate the announcement. This has been fixed and the one safely returned to his cage to be with the other ones.

Miss Pristine
Posted - 2010.12.15 21:04:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: doubles ondoubles
so
Linkage

why is tomorows patch 18 hours long?


We had a stray one infiltrate the announcement. This has been fixed and the one safely returned to his cage to be with the other ones.


answer this pls

I have a remap that will be available on Jan 5. With the free remap they just gave us... Will this just reset the remap I will receive in Jan?

Meaning... If I use this remap, will it create a new countdown and my old one will go away? If I save the remap till the original was available, will I have 2 then?

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:13:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Miss Pristine
answer this pls

I have a remap that will be available on Jan 5. With the free remap they just gave us... Will this just reset the remap I will receive in Jan?

Meaning... If I use this remap, will it create a new countdown and my old one will go away? If I save the remap till the original was available, will I have 2 then?


Nothing happens on Jan 5 for you. You have one remap available now. When you use it you will start a 1-year timer for the next remap.

Yes, that's not fair. Anyone who just remapped before the patch is laughing. Anyone who is due for a new remap in the next few days or weeks got very little out of the deal. CCP's primary corporate value is incompetence. Oh well. Enjoy EVE before they finally succeed at breaking its tank.

Crakers
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:48:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Crakers on 15/12/2010 22:52:16
Edited by: Crakers on 15/12/2010 22:51:57
I had 4 accounts all Lv5 skills for learning now are CCP going to give me a extended time on my sub that i spent in training as i planned to have the skills to make training quicker that is 11 skills of learning all at max that took time and money from sub when i could have been training other skills,plus each patch gives me error that i have to many files so i have too clean out the files and correct it any ideas as to why that happens

Donovans
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:50:00 - [83]
 

Former max learning skills player reporting in once again.

Ccp, this short video kind of summarizes my sentiments about this patch and the relevant developer blog :

This way

Miss Pristine
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:51:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: doubles ondoubles
so
Linkage

why is tomorows patch 18 hours long?


I count 4

Crakers
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:06:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Crakers on 15/12/2010 23:09:44
Why should players that did learning skills be penalised for learning/traing skills that others didnt,its like going to Universty u study and get good grades and some one only comes sometimes but u both get same degree so why did u bother to learn,so CCP has decide that it dosent want to upset the stupid ones that didnt train skills to get rid of them why didnt they just remove skill books and leave those that trained with there skills u did the effort u keep the reward

Khamiz
Catholic School for Boys
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:23:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Originally by: Miss Pristine
answer this pls

I have a remap that will be available on Jan 5. With the free remap they just gave us... Will this just reset the remap I will receive in Jan?

Meaning... If I use this remap, will it create a new countdown and my old one will go away? If I save the remap till the original was available, will I have 2 then?


Nothing happens on Jan 5 for you. You have one remap available now. When you use it you will start a 1-year timer for the next remap.

Yes, that's not fair. Anyone who just remapped before the patch is laughing. Anyone who is due for a new remap in the next few days or weeks got very little out of the deal. CCP's primary corporate value is incompetence. Oh well. Enjoy EVE before they finally succeed at breaking its tank.


In other words:
If you had available remaps, you get 1 extra remap, worth 1 year of waiting (which was intended).
If you had a remap on CD, you just get the CD reset, worth between 1 and 364 days of waiting.

Long story short: chars without available remaps get shafted, the more the shorter their remaining CD was.

I don't think the current mechanics support any other outcome, but it would still be nice if everyone could benefit equally - which would for example mean one extra remap at the time your previous CD was due.

0oO0oOoOo0o
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:31:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Originally by: Miss Pristine
answer this pls

I have a remap that will be available on Jan 5. With the free remap they just gave us... Will this just reset the remap I will receive in Jan?

Meaning... If I use this remap, will it create a new countdown and my old one will go away? If I save the remap till the original was available, will I have 2 then?


Nothing happens on Jan 5 for you. You have one remap available now. When you use it you will start a 1-year timer for the next remap.

Yes, that's not fair. Anyone who just remapped before the patch is laughing. Anyone who is due for a new remap in the next few days or weeks got very little out of the deal. CCP's primary corporate value is incompetence. Oh well. Enjoy EVE before they finally succeed at breaking its tank.


Is this a fact or only what you think how it works ? My next remap is in July 2011. If I remap now, will my next remap be in December 2011 ? CCP plz confirm.

Tesla Grass
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:50:00 - [88]
 

Thanks for the ship :p

But as others have said, I'd love to know if using this remap will mean that I will have to wait a year till I can map again, or if I will be able to remap again when I was going to be able to in the first place as well. Also if I don't use this and my old remap point ticks over will I then have 2 remaps available?
If not it kinda blows for me personally, well set with a plan for the next 10 months, mapping now isn't going to really help me at all.

devonii
Posted - 2010.12.16 00:14:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

We had a stray one infiltrate the announcement. This has been fixed and the one safely returned to his cage to be with the other ones.


You must be referring to all your long-term customers that trained all learning skills to V. ONE reply as to your reasoning for completely ignoring the hundred or so posts about this is too much to ask???

Come on CCP. Even if your answer is, "**** off", surely you can spare 5 minutes to type up a reply to people with this seasoned of accounts...

Guess not. :)

Dr Zom
Posted - 2010.12.16 00:20:00 - [90]
 

Has anyone else noticed that wallet entries for today have no time associated with them, just the date? This was not in the patchnotes.


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