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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2010.12.14 01:42:00 - [31]
 

It's a destabilization of the weather with seasons coming unglued, when was the last time there was a spring or autumn? It's either winter or summer even in the tempered zones now.

Weather is becoming more extreme, is it due to melting ice caps or not? To simplify the changes and call them global warming the environmentalists have painted themselves into a corner in which to be ridiculed.

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.14 01:57:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
It's a destabilization of the weather with seasons coming unglued, when was the last time there was a spring or autumn? It's either winter or summer even in the tempered zones now.

Weather is becoming more extreme, is it due to melting ice caps or not? To simplify the changes and call them global warming the environmentalists have painted themselves into a corner in which to be ridiculed.


We had a decade of constant high sun activity in the last decade. Now is is going down. On the south pole we had a new lower temp record this year. In the artaric you have a strong change of ice in winter and summer. since 3 year the agv ice is growing and is back to normal.

Matthias Howe
Posted - 2010.12.14 04:17:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Caleidascope
Originally by: Matthias Howe
I wish I could post graphs so that you dimwits could be convinced by pictures.

You must have missed the part about how "scientists" who made those graphs threw out a bunch of Russian temperature data: UK climate scientists manipulated Russian temperature data to EXAGERATE global warming.

I believe you are the dimwit or maybe you just six year old who likes pictures?


**** you neanderthal. You want to **** with my son's future, I'll show you a climate mafia. You want to know what sucks about the interwebz? Any ****tard can post on it and not get peer review from his or her's competitors. Climate blogs are for dillholes with no education. What's YOUR education? Taken any chem? Bio? Epidemiology? Statistics? OR do you just play eve and believe everything you read?

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.12.14 08:29:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Matthias Howe
RAGGGGGGGE.

You mad?

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.14 08:30:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Matthias Howe
Originally by: Caleidascope
Originally by: Matthias Howe
I wish I could post graphs so that you dimwits could be convinced by pictures.

You must have missed the part about how "scientists" who made those graphs threw out a bunch of Russian temperature data: UK climate scientists manipulated Russian temperature data to EXAGERATE global warming.

I believe you are the dimwit or maybe you just six year old who likes pictures?


**** you neanderthal. You want to **** with my son's future, I'll show you a climate mafia. You want to know what sucks about the interwebz? Any ****tard can post on it and not get peer review from his or her's competitors. Climate blogs are for dillholes with no education. What's YOUR education? Taken any chem? Bio? Epidemiology? Statistics? OR do you just play eve and believe everything you read?


This manipulations of IPCC are really and was on Wikileaks published. Or you think the Afgan War, Iraq War and Diplo cables are all fakes. Show me a single prof that this climate changing thing from IPCC is real. You will not.

Icebears are dying ? The population of Icebears grown from 1950 with 5000 to 35000 today. blame globalwarming! And the mass Dying of icebear that drunk, ok this 4 drunken icy babies died in a storm, but they are all dying. global warming! Al Gore said so!

The glacers in the Alp are melking ! Ok, the alp were 5 times icefree in the time of the post last iceage , but ... THEY ARE MELTING!

Greenland will be Icefree in 1000 years! ok your climate model goes only to 2100. BUT THEY WILL Icefree and that you in the 1100-1200 could plant wheat in Greenland is only a proof that grennland is melting!

Show me a single fatc in this climate thing. only one.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.14 08:50:00 - [36]
 

The problem is people SHOULDNT need convincing when it comes to cleaner energy, lets assume global warming is a scam (hi Herzog). You still have pollution so horrible it makes you question humanity, just put in 'pollution' in any IMAGE search engine and ask yourself "is this really what I want the planet to be filled with?".

Oh and did you know, Obesity is also a major issue too, Obesity means overeating, meaning eating more than you need to, meaning using up more resources and energy, meaning companies using more resources and energy to provide for you, meaning more pollution!

There is more at stake than climate change Rolling Eyes

baltec1
Posted - 2010.12.14 08:56:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Matthias Howe
RAGGGGGGGE.

You mad?


V madShocked

Originally by: Betty Boom

Most global weather is made by the north and south pole. First human on the south pole was Roald Amundsen in the year 1911. And he was also the first human on the north pole in 1928. Where does the NASA get this temp datas from the artic region 130 year ago ? from aliens ?




Where do you think we get ice cores from? The Atacama desert?

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.14 09:03:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Where do you think we get ice cores from? The Atacama desert?


So ice cores tells you about the temperate ? guess not. About CO2 concentraion ? yes, but also only theoretical because CO2 in the ice cores arent 100% of the concentration of the time the snow have fallen. And CO2 is not in the athmosphere in the same concentration in every region. So - how many ice cores are taken from Antarcica and Antarcic ? The CO2 concentration can change dramatilly all 100 km. ;-)

baltec1
Posted - 2010.12.14 09:32:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Betty Boom
Originally by: baltec1
Where do you think we get ice cores from? The Atacama desert?


So ice cores tells you about the temperate ? guess not. About CO2 concentraion ? yes, but also only theoretical because CO2 in the ice cores arent 100% of the concentration of the time the snow have fallen. And CO2 is not in the athmosphere in the same concentration in every region. So - how many ice cores are taken from Antarcica and Antarcic ? The CO2 concentration can change dramatilly all 100 km. ;-)


Acctually, everything you just put is wrong. Ice cores do capture the temp, CO2 (which is evenly spead across the planet), all sorts of other gas levels, volcanic activity (down to the very volcano that blew up), how healthy the eco system of the world is and more.

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.14 09:41:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Betty Boom on 14/12/2010 09:46:51
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Betty Boom
Originally by: baltec1
Where do you think we get ice cores from? The Atacama desert?


So ice cores tells you about the temperate ? guess not. About CO2 concentraion ? yes, but also only theoretical because CO2 in the ice cores arent 100% of the concentration of the time the snow have fallen. And CO2 is not in the athmosphere in the same concentration in every region. So - how many ice cores are taken from Antarcica and Antarcic ? The CO2 concentration can change dramatilly all 100 km. ;-)


Acctually, everything you just put is wrong. Ice cores do capture the temp, CO2 (which is evenly spead across the planet), all sorts of other gas levels, volcanic activity (down to the very volcano that blew up), how healthy the eco system of the world is and more.
What was the density of the ice cores ? Here the German Wiki about CO2. In the Englsih this map is missing: CO2 concration map from 2008.
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

baltec1
Posted - 2010.12.14 09:52:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Betty Boom

What was the density of the ice cores ? Here the German Wiki about CO2. In the Englsih this map is missing: CO2 concration map from 2008.



"in the mid-troposphere, about 8 kilometers above Earth" "The distribution of carbon dioxide in this region of the atmosphere is strongly influenced by major surface sources of carbon dioxide"

You are looking at post industrial records, these are not the same as ancient records before the heavy industry or even human civilisation. Back then the main producer of CO2 was volcanic activity. As you can see on the map you provided, the impact of humanity is rather large in the more developed areas of the world.

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.14 10:03:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Betty Boom

What was the density of the ice cores ? Here the German Wiki about CO2. In the Englsih this map is missing: CO2 concration map from 2008.



"in the mid-troposphere, about 8 kilometers above Earth" "The distribution of carbon dioxide in this region of the atmosphere is strongly influenced by major surface sources of carbon dioxide"

You are looking at post industrial records, these are not the same as ancient records before the heavy industry or even human civilisation. Back then the main producer of CO2 was volcanic activity. As you can see on the map you provided, the impact of humanity is rather large in the more developed areas of the world.

Your argument is weak. You are right when you say, that CO2 emission has increased with industial revolution. First there are more factors in this like 10% of all CO2 emission come from slash and burn (land clearance). Second - you can not proff in a way that CO2 a) increasee the global temp and b) you doesnt know how long it stays in the athmosphere.

But fact is that in the last 10 years the global agv. temp decresed about -0,4 celsius.

baltec1
Posted - 2010.12.14 10:14:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Betty Boom

But fact is that in the last 10 years the global agv. temp decresed about -0,4 celsius.


Over the last 50 years global temp has gone up by 0.5 degrees celcus. On the local level, the poles are warming up the most while all of the planets deserts are expanding.

You cannot argue against this because you have 0 qualifications or experience in this area of science and trolling the internet for answers you want is a waste of time because that will never get you an accurate look. You will simply find what you want to find.

If you really want to know what is going on then you could start by looking up the original J.A.S.O.N report made back in the 70s and compare their predictions with real, factual data.

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.14 10:23:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Betty Boom

But fact is that in the last 10 years the global agv. temp decresed about -0,4 celsius.


Over the last 50 years global temp has gone up by 0.5 degrees celcus. On the local level, the poles are warming up the most while all of the planets deserts are expanding.

You cannot argue against this because you have 0 qualifications or experience in this area of science and trolling the internet for answers you want is a waste of time because that will never get you an accurate look. You will simply find what you want to find.

If you really want to know what is going on then you could start by looking up the original J.A.S.O.N report made back in the 70s and compare their predictions with real, factual data.

a) what is your qualification ? b) How you wanna know my qualifcation. I presents you here only facts from Wiki and real science sites. and c) in the Middle age the global temp was warmer then today.

and d) bring some proofs. you can not . ;-)

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2010.12.14 10:24:00 - [45]
 

People don't realise that the IPCC actually expect cooler temperatures over Europe from climate change. Here's a very simplified explanation:

Melting of Greenland's land ice leads to pooling of cool water in the North Atlantic, this sits on top of the heavier, saltier water beneath it and prevents deep water fromation in this area. WHat happens is the global conveyor belt, a world wide transport system of water and heat, becomes weaker and begins to slow down.

This means less warm water is transported to waters near Europe and other parts of the Northern Hemisphere, so temperatures get cooler (ice ages can thus occur eventually, resetting the cycle). Conversely other areas e.g. the sub-tropics in the Southern Hemisphere get warmer because less cool water is being transported there by the global conveyor belt.

Problem is warmer temperatures are bad in the sub-tropics (many crop species etc. are already near their max temp limit for growth) and ice ages near Europe are bad for obvious reasons (goodbye agriculture).

So yes, this is bad and we need to prevent it from getting worse.


Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.14 10:36:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: BiggestT
People don't realise that the IPCC actually expect cooler temperatures over Europe from climate change. Here's a very simplified explanation:

Melting of Greenland's land ice leads to pooling of cool water in the North Atlantic, this sits on top of the heavier, saltier water beneath it and prevents deep water fromation in this area. WHat happens is the global conveyor belt, a world wide transport system of water and heat, becomes weaker and begins to slow down.

This means less warm water is transported to waters near Europe and other parts of the Northern Hemisphere, so temperatures get cooler (ice ages can thus occur eventually, resetting the cycle). Conversely other areas e.g. the sub-tropics in the Southern Hemisphere get warmer because less cool water is being transported there by the global conveyor belt.
Problem is warmer temperatures are bad in the sub-tropics (many crop species etc. are already near their max temp limit for growth) and ice ages near Europe are bad for obvious reasons (goodbye agriculture).

So yes, this is bad and we need to prevent it from getting worse.




Thats bull**** like all from IPCC. the OP articel says, that the high and low change over atlantic and iceland and thats the reason for the current temps. And this year the Ice on Greenland and Arctic has invcreaed. *stranger, isnt it?*

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2010.12.14 10:43:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Betty Boom
Thats bull**** like all from IPCC. the OP articel says, that the high and low change over atlantic and iceland and thats the reason for the current temps. And this year the Ice on Greenland and Arctic has invcreaed. *stranger, isnt it?*


I'm sorry I didn't realise that one article suddenly obseletes thousands of other articles whereby 97% of climate scientists agree with cliamte change. It's called variation from the mean, it's a trend and it will experience fluctuations and noise throughout the warming process. Pick up a science book or something ffs.

Oh no, that's right the IPCC is all corporationy, and so wrong, and just a bunch of guys with years and years of tertiary experience sitting around making stuff up and know MUCH less than you, you must be right Rolling Eyes

If you ACTUALLY read the IPCC fourth assessment report (bet you don't even know what that is) you'd realise that it is very well informed.

Perhaps the select disagreeing few who are funded by oil corporations and like to be in the lime-light are generally not the ones you should listen to. Wink

baltec1
Posted - 2010.12.14 10:44:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: baltec1 on 14/12/2010 10:52:03
Originally by: Betty Boom
stuff


Your "evidence" so far.

An artical on how germany is under a cold snap

A map about how much C02 is currently being pumped out into the air.

None of which back you up.

British Antarctic Survey Dataset Entry. This is a start but only a tiny fraction of what I have been studying for when I go to uni. If you cannot be bothered reading the vast bulk of papers then try watching Prof Ian Stewart's documentory on the climate wars. Much easyer to digest and covers this subject from every angle from the very start to the present day.

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.14 10:54:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Betty Boom on 14/12/2010 11:00:05
Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Betty Boom
Thats bull**** like all from IPCC. the OP articel says, that the high and low change over atlantic and iceland and thats the reason for the current temps. And this year the Ice on Greenland and Arctic has invcreaed. *stranger, isnt it?*


I'm sorry I didn't realise that one article suddenly obseletes thousands of other articles whereby 97% of climate scientists agree with cliamte change. It's called variation from the mean, it's a trend and it will experience fluctuations and noise throughout the warming process. Pick up a science book or something ffs.

Oh no, that's right the IPCC is all corporationy, and so wrong, and just a bunch of guys with years and years of tertiary experience sitting around making stuff up and know MUCH less than you, you must be right Rolling Eyes

If you ACTUALLY read the IPCC fourth assessment report (bet you don't even know what that is) you'd realise that it is very well informed.

Perhaps the select disagreeing few who are funded by oil corporations and like to be in the lime-light are generally not the ones you should listen to. Wink

Wetter.info is only the offical website of all German weather instituse. Oh sorry. Where you have this 97% 'climate scients' this climate scientology must be a new way of 'science' never heard of a uni thats teaches climate science.

Wikileak release emails of this '97% scients', that shown two things : a ) the have no proff for they theories, b) they deleted datas that not work with the theories and c) they manipulated datas.

I think you are the one with a large deficit on information here. Wink

edit: ef climeategate

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2010.12.14 11:23:00 - [50]
 

Aquarius 2012 Cool

Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.12.14 12:32:00 - [51]
 

Guys guys GUYS!!

The SCIENTISTS are just LYING to you! It's a CONSPIRACY of SMART PEOPLE! DON'T believe them!

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2010.12.14 12:36:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Betty Boom
Wetter.info is only the offical website of all German weather instituse. Oh sorry. Where you have this 97% 'climate scients' this climate scientology must be a new way of 'science' never heard of a uni thats teaches climate science.

Wikileak release emails of this '97% scients', that shown two things : a ) the have no proff for they theories, b) they deleted datas that not work with the theories and c) they manipulated datas.

I think you are the one with a large deficit on information here. Wink

edit: ef climeategate


Oh wow you have never heard of a climate scientist? You better be trolling else you officially have zero credibility. Google climatology, your ignorance is astounding for you to take such an extreme stance on this subject. And yes, plenty of universities teach climate science/climatology/climate studies etc. not that you'd know.

Your wetter.info site isn't very respectable, try csiro or BoM and you might get somewhere.

And for an institute with thousands of employees and hundreds of thousands of peices of data, I'm surprised the IPCC has been as effective with it's documentation, yes some things are off sometimes, but that is always corrected and guess what, the conclusions are still the same.


Before getting any angrier I suggest you take a real look at the science so you actually understand what you're denouncing, else you'll just jeep sounding ignorant.

Goodbye.

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.14 12:43:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Betty Boom
Wetter.info is only the offical website of all German weather instituse. Oh sorry. Where you have this 97% 'climate scients' this climate scientology must be a new way of 'science' never heard of a uni thats teaches climate science.

Wikileak release emails of this '97% scients', that shown two things : a ) the have no proff for they theories, b) they deleted datas that not work with the theories and c) they manipulated datas.

I think you are the one with a large deficit on information here. Wink

edit: ef climeategate


Oh wow you have never heard of a climate scientist? You better be trolling else you officially have zero credibility. Google climatology, your ignorance is astounding for you to take such an extreme stance on this subject. And yes, plenty of universities teach climate science/climatology/climate studies etc. not that you'd know.

Your wetter.info site isn't very respectable, try csiro or BoM and you might get somewhere.

And for an institute with thousands of employees and hundreds of thousands of peices of data, I'm surprised the IPCC has been as effective with it's documentation, yes some things are off sometimes, but that is always corrected and guess what, the conclusions are still the same.


Before getting any angrier I suggest you take a real look at the science so you actually understand what you're denouncing, else you'll just jeep sounding ignorant.

Goodbye.


Did you read Wiki about IPCC ?. And no. the are meteorology, Marine biology, Astrophysics etc. What University teach 'climate scientlogy'

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2010.12.14 13:10:00 - [54]
 


Quote:
**** you neanderthal. You want to **** with my son's future, I'll show you a climate mafia. You want to know what sucks about the interwebz? Any ****tard can post on it and not get peer review from his or her's competitors. Climate blogs are for dillholes with no education. What's YOUR education? Taken any chem? Bio? Epidemiology? Statistics? OR do you just play eve and believe everything you read?


Self-proclaimed scientist RAAAGE!

lols

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2010.12.14 13:44:00 - [55]
 

The english in this thread, it is broken.

XenosisReaper
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.12.14 16:26:00 - [56]
 

How the **** has nobody called this guy as a troll? It's incredibly obvious. Come on OOPE, this guy is so trollish he probably has warty skin and a beard.

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2010.12.14 16:40:00 - [57]
 

Tell me when he has a warty beard, that's something.

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.12.14 17:04:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Matthias Howe
Originally by: Caleidascope
Originally by: Matthias Howe
I wish I could post graphs so that you dimwits could be convinced by pictures.

You must have missed the part about how "scientists" who made those graphs threw out a bunch of Russian temperature data: UK climate scientists manipulated Russian temperature data to EXAGERATE global warming.

I believe you are the dimwit or maybe you just six year old who likes pictures?


**** you neanderthal. You want to **** with my son's future, I'll show you a climate mafia. You want to know what sucks about the interwebz? Any ****tard can post on it and not get peer review from his or her's competitors. Climate blogs are for dillholes with no education. What's YOUR education? Taken any chem? Bio? Epidemiology? Statistics? OR do you just play eve and believe everything you read?

Truth hurts, does it not?
Twisted Evil

Izzy Lizzy
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.12.14 17:04:00 - [59]
 

people still believe in global warming?

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.12.14 22:01:00 - [60]
 

I think we should go back to talking about those Icebears, that was a pretty cool post.


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