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Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.13 21:42:00 - [1]
 

Hello,

on my login i hade this articel that hits my face. It is in german and so i give a short info about the content:

The articel says that in germany we had this year 8,1 Celius instead of 8,3 agv in the last decades. In UK we have the coldest temputers since the last 200 years. The reason is, that the sun left their activity high and goes to the next minimum. This will be reached in 2040/2050. They say that the artic ice will start to grow and we get a small iceage. This sun activities and airstreams over the artic were ignote by the climate mafia (also the sea streams).

So what we do and we really get an small iceage. so i wanna discuss some points:

How high we hang Al Gore ?
Should we hunt Greenpeace and their supporter like Al Qida ?
UN climate mafia - lifetime imprision or execute in an act of mercy ?
Get we all money back, that we paid for CO 2 safing ?

/discuss

baltec1
Posted - 2010.12.13 21:47:00 - [2]
 

The reason why it is so cold is because arctic air is blowing south across europe. Overall, 2010 is yet another record hot year.


Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.13 21:48:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Betty Boom on 13/12/2010 21:52:48
Originally by: baltec1
The reason why it is so cold is because arctic air is blowing south across europe. Overall, 2010 is yet another record hot year.



nope - 0,2 lower then normal so far.

And yes - i mad

edit :

In the last 10 years the world temp fall -.4 C btw. The climate mafia thats only a bit more time to the max.

Gena D
Posted - 2010.12.13 21:52:00 - [4]
 

Good, won't be long before gas guzzling V8's will get a tax cut JUST to keep the world from falling into an ice age.

baltec1
Posted - 2010.12.13 21:57:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Betty Boom
Originally by: baltec1
The reason why it is so cold is because arctic air is blowing south across europe. Overall, 2010 is yet another record hot year.



nope - 0,2 lower then normal so far.

And yes - i mad


v mad...

Go look up the records for 2010, overall it was a scorcher. This winter is simply cold because of where the wind is comming from. Over the last week the uk has been not all that bad thanks to a bank of warm air that came in off the atlantic. Come friday though the wind will shift and arctic air will hit us again with all sorts of snow for at least a week. Most of it the wrong type for our railwaysEvil or Very Mad

Next year expect droughts in the uk.

Matthias Howe
Posted - 2010.12.13 21:57:00 - [6]
 

Betty, are you German? My impression of most Germans I have met is that they are largely intelligent, well-educated individuals. However, it seems that there are exceptions to every rule.

I think perhaps you should game less and read more. I'm an Environmental Planning and Modeling student and from the data I have seen there is no argument against global warming for the long term. There is some conjecture that because of the north polar ice cap melting that the Atlantic "conveyor belt" is becoming derailed due to salinity problems and that the coasts of US/Canada and Western Europe may be hit by a series of frosty winters. You need to look at the overall data over the past 200 years and compare that data to the recorded CO2 content in the troposphere dating back 70,000 years. Global warming is a gradual trend that will exceed several human life spans. The changes will be minute but continuous and exponentially increasing due to human population increases and the industrialization of the developing world.


Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.13 21:58:00 - [7]
 

I'll get my coat Very Happy

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.12.13 21:58:00 - [8]
 

Not going to happen. Global Warming will.

/Sends consultants fee to UN ugh

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:02:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Betty Boom
Originally by: baltec1
The reason why it is so cold is because arctic air is blowing south across europe. Overall, 2010 is yet another record hot year.



nope - 0,2 lower then normal so far.

And yes - i mad


v mad...

Go look up the records for 2010, overall it was a scorcher. This winter is simply cold because of where the wind is comming from. Over the last week the uk has been not all that bad thanks to a bank of warm air that came in off the atlantic. Come friday though the wind will shift and arctic air will hit us again with all sorts of snow for at least a week. Most of it the wrong type for our railwaysEvil or Very Mad

Next year expect droughts in the uk.


Quote:
Schon jetzt steht fest: Die Temperaturen in Deutschland lagen dieses Jahr mit 8,1 Grad um 0,2 Grad unter dem langjährig gemessenen Mittel von 8,3 Grad. "Ich fürchte, wir werden bis zum Jahresende noch deutlich tiefer landen", sagt Globig. Das langjährige Mittel ist genau genommen das Mittel aller deutschen Messstationen aus den Jahren 1961 bis 1990.




This is from the articel. from 1961-1990 the agv was 8,3 C. this year is 8,1 C. So i deosnt see her a increase.

bablefish version

Baron O'Beefdip
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:02:00 - [10]
 

BRING ABOUT THE DOOMSDAY

INSTEAD OF DEMONS INVADING, ENVIROMENTALISTS WILL GO RABID

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:04:00 - [11]
 

Statistical insignificance FTW

Greup
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:08:00 - [12]
 

NASA just released data saying 2010 was the hottest metreological year recorded.
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/12/nasa-2010-meteorological-year-wa.html?ref=hp

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:09:00 - [13]
 

http://www.weatheraction.com/

Posted this before in the climategate thread.
If you listen to some Co2 climate change fanatics, they say the sun has no real effect on climate change. Rolling Eyes

We did have warnings back in the late 70's, about an approaching ice age. The main trouble with man, is our short term view of things. We have a few years of something and we think it's a done deal.

baltec1
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:10:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: baltec1 on 13/12/2010 22:15:10
Originally by: Betty Boom

This is from the articel. from 1961-1990 the agv was 8,3 C. this year is 8,1 C. So i deosnt see her a increase.

bablefish version



That is local temp not global.


Originally by: Mag's


We did have warnings back in the late 70's, about an approaching ice age. The main trouble with man, is our short term view of things. We have a few years of something and we think it's a done deal.


In the 70s JASON made a number of predictions around global warming involving co2. Everything they predicted has happened although in some cases faster than they thought.

Matthias Howe
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:19:00 - [15]
 

I wish I could post graphs so that you dimwits could be convinced by pictures. The problem here is scientists and non-scientists locking horns. Scientists looking at the data and reading the journals are in 99% agreement that the global warming hypothesis can be considered a theory at this point. Before Al Gore came on the scene, climatologists had been screaming at the top of their lungs since the early 1970's that this was happening and no one was listening because HUMANS ARE STUPID.

No scientific theory is fact. Scientific philosophy doesn't work that way. The DATA STRONGLY points to CO2 being the major contributor to global warming. Temperatures are rising very quickly since the industrial revolution and the empirical data demonstrates that without a doubt. Those mean temperature increases, coupled with CO2 content in ppm based on global climate sampling has received no credible argument to the contrary.

By the way, could you post something from Die Welt or something that has some merit or expertise and not some ******ed climate blog?

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:22:00 - [16]
 

I'm not going to get drawn into a debate on this. No disrespect to anyone here, but I have my own ideas about this whole thing based on what I've read and watched.

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:25:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Greup
NASA just released data saying 2010 was the hottest metreological year recorded.
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/12/nasa-2010-meteorological-year-wa.html?ref=hp


I bold you the funny part :

Quote:
That's 0.65˚C warmer than the average global temperature between 1951 and 1980, a period scientists use as a basis for comparison.



In 197x we had extrem cold period coz of less sun activities. And this says nothing about 1981-2009

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:28:00 - [18]
 

we should launch nukes into the sun to make it hotter! take that iceage!

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:29:00 - [19]
 

The main thing is technology is continuing to improve useless crap.

/sarcasm off

Technology has turned into wow, this weeks gear becomes useless next week and governments / companies usually only invest in beneficial technology when theres profit involved.

I for one welcome an ice age

Greup
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:33:00 - [20]
 

Betty: Didnt you read the headline?

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:38:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Greup
Betty: Didnt you read the headline?

yes - i read the word 'possible'.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:44:00 - [22]
 

You do know as the world gets hotter, the other extreme gets more extreme too.

So in the hottest year we've ever had, the winds shift, making the winter colder than ever.

A lot of scientists agree that "global warming" (what is actully known as global climate change) will bring on an iceage if it's not stopped.

That's just how it works, look at other planets with less protection, colder colds, hotter hots.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:46:00 - [23]
 

*sigh*

Global warming isn't about the temperatures right now. Temperatures vary from year to year. Nor is it about the temperatures in the near future. It is about temperatures in the extended future. Furthermore, it has nothing (or at least very little) to do with atmospheric temperatures. Instead it is about the temperature of the ocean.

The ocean has a MASSIVE capacity to store thermal energy. If the temperature of the ocean increases by just 1 degree celsius, the amount of energy stored by the ocean increases by 1.9 * 10^20 joules, or roughly 45,000 Megatonnes of TNT Equivalent.

For comparison, the Tsar Bomba (the largest nuclear weapon ever built) released 50 Megatonnes of TNT Equivalent in energy when it was detonated.

All of this excess energy goes into the weather system - producing more severe weather patterns. Droughts will be more severe. At the same time, other areas of the Earth will experiences more severe floods. More and stronger hurricanes. More and stronger tornadoes. More and stronger winds. More and stronger storm systems.

Various sources of data indicates that global climate change IS happening - global average annual temperatures have been increasing over the past 100 years. If you look at other sources which look at data collected from deep ice pack cores in the Antarctic, we will see that global climate change HAS happened in nature already - many, many, MANY times.

The only remaining questions are this:

1) Do humans have any influence on global climate change?
2) If so, SHOULD humans attempt to counter global climate change?
3) If humans decide that they SHOULD counter global climate change, WHAT can be done?

Stupid conservatives would first falsely claim that global climate change isn't happening. This is complete bull. There have been so many sources of data that show that average annual temperatures ARE in fact increasing. Please note that this data doesn't show WHY these temperatures are increasing. Any sources that indicate otherwise are generally very short sighted - only collecting data from a limited area, or from a limited span of time.

Smart conservatives would claim that global climate change IS happening, but there isn't anything we can do about it. Sadly, these conservatives generally are allied with large conglomerate corporations who would suffer if humans decide to do something about global climate change, so they are biased and can't really be trusted (anyways, the claim that volcanoes produce more CO2 in a year than humans have in all of history is blatantly false. According to the USGS, Volcanoes produce 200 million tons of CO2 every year, while vehicles produce 24 BILLION tons of CO2 every year).

Liberals would claim that global climate change IS happening, AND humans can do something about it! Sadly these liberals generally are allied with various "green" corporations who would benefit if humans decide to do something about global climate change, so they are biased and can't really be trusted (see what I did there?)

So what is the truth? The truth is that we don't have enough data. Studies suggest that any changes to human behavior will only cause changes to global climate after about 50 years. Or in other words, if we increase our CO2 production, we won't see the consequences of it for 50 years. If we decrease it instead, we won't see the "rewards" for 50 years.

Sadly, I don't see a lot of people out there are seriously studying global climate change. Everyone is already convinced that they are right and are only doing things to affirm their own confirmation bias, and discard anything which is contrary to their own beliefs. Seriously, when was the last time you heard about a TRUE, serious scientific study about climate change that only cared about the truth - not about pushing their own agenda forward? Yeah... me either.

Greup
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:47:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Betty Boom
Originally by: Greup
Betty: Didnt you read the headline?

yes - i read the word 'possible'.

You dont need to insert words that isnt in the text, you know?
This is pretty clear:
The 2010 meteorological year, which ended on 30 November, was the warmest in NASA's 130-year record, data posted by the agency today shows. Over the oceans as well as on land, the average global temperature for the 12-month period that began last December was 14.65˚C.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:51:00 - [25]
 

I don't know why people even care who is right on the "climate change" crap. Isn't it enough to want to stop filling the atmosphere with crap that makes it hard to breathe and kills off or sickens tons of plants, animals and humans every year?

Who cares if it's getting hotter or colder? I'd rather just have some clean air and let the weather do whatever it's going to do.


Matthias Howe
Posted - 2010.12.13 23:06:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Taedrin

Sadly, I don't see a lot of people out there are seriously studying global climate change. Everyone is already convinced that they are right and are only doing things to affirm their own confirmation bias, and discard anything which is contrary to their own beliefs. Seriously, when was the last time you heard about a TRUE, serious scientific study about climate change that only cared about the truth - not about pushing their own agenda forward? Yeah... me either.


I know three scientists in my department alone that are working on aerosol emissions into the atmosphere and 2 chemists in another department solely working on global warming. WTF are you talking about nobody is studying it? Tens of thousands of scientists across the globe are studying this and they actually have to face other scientists who will tear them a new one if they can't support their conclusions.

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.13 23:14:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Greup
Originally by: Betty Boom
Originally by: Greup
Betty: Didnt you read the headline?

yes - i read the word 'possible'.

You dont need to insert words that isnt in the text, you know?
This is pretty clear:
The 2010 meteorological year, which ended on 30 November, was the warmest in NASA's 130-year record, data posted by the agency today shows. Over the oceans as well as on land, the average global temperature for the 12-month period that began last December was 14.65˚C.


So that satelite was launched 130 years ago. ;-)

Wiki leak showed with Climate Gate that this scieitst have deleted datas and changed, they doesnt liked. Atm I doesnt believe a **** like before. I made a referat about sun activities in school. I was all time wondering why climate mafia ignoted this.

And the article ois from wetter.info. Thats high offical website of metreology. So not a lobby site.


baltec1
Posted - 2010.12.13 23:24:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Betty Boom

So that satelite was launched 130 years ago. ;-)

Wiki leak showed with Climate Gate that this scieitst have deleted datas and changed, they doesnt liked. Atm I doesnt believe a **** like before. I made a referat about sun activities in school. I was all time wondering why climate mafia ignoted this.

And the article ois from wetter.info. Thats high offical website of metreology. So not a lobby site.




The royal navy has been taking global temperature records for hundreds of years. Then we have the ice core data, followed by rock samples (although these are nowhere near as accurate as ice cores. So we have accurate records for the past 850 thousand years anda good idea going back several hundred million years.

Your school report might have been great, but its not as good at what the people who have a solar weather station set up between us and the sun. So far there is no evidence of the sun having changed activity enough to alter the planet in the way we are seeing.

And finaly, your link is for a local climate not a global one.

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.13 23:54:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Betty Boom

So that satelite was launched 130 years ago. ;-)

Wiki leak showed with Climate Gate that this scieitst have deleted datas and changed, they doesnt liked. Atm I doesnt believe a **** like before. I made a referat about sun activities in school. I was all time wondering why climate mafia ignoted this.

And the article ois from wetter.info. Thats high offical website of metreology. So not a lobby site.




The royal navy has been taking global temperature records for hundreds of years. Then we have the ice core data, followed by rock samples (although these are nowhere near as accurate as ice cores. So we have accurate records for the past 850 thousand years anda good idea going back several hundred million years.

Your school report might have been great, but its not as good at what the people who have a solar weather station set up between us and the sun. So far there is no evidence of the sun having changed activity enough to alter the planet in the way we are seeing.

And finaly, your link is for a local climate not a global one.


Most global weather is made by the north and south pole. First human on the south pole was Roald Amundsen in the year 1911. And he was also the first human on the north pole in 1928. Where does the NASA get this temp datas from the artic region 130 year ago ? from aliens ?


Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.12.14 00:04:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Matthias Howe
I wish I could post graphs so that you dimwits could be convinced by pictures.

You must have missed the part about how "scientists" who made those graphs threw out a bunch of Russian temperature data: UK climate scientists manipulated Russian temperature data to EXAGERATE global warming.

I believe you are the dimwit or maybe you just six year old who likes pictures?


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