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Keira Matrix
Posted - 2010.12.13 14:34:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Amy Elteam
Q: Are the skill books being completely erased from existence? If I somehow managed to figure out some loophole in this erasure process would they even be able to exist in the new eve universe?

Say I want to own some copies for posterity.


Totally going, no keep-sakes.

CCP Stillman

Posted - 2010.12.13 14:48:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Kuntakinte NL
Q: can we have 5 mil free sp for beeing awesome? Just like on SiSi

(and give me an extra 5 for mentioning it?)

While all EVE players are awesome, we'll not be giving any bonus like we did on SISI, which was purely for encouraging players to partake in the testing.

CCP Stillman

Posted - 2010.12.13 14:49:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Im Blue
Q as my attributes are being reduced at what point will i slow down my training speed? will it be the next time i change or add a skill or will it be the start or end of the downtime

Your new attributes will take effect at downtime.

CCP Stillman

Posted - 2010.12.13 14:50:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Veebring Greetings
Edited by: Veebring Greetings on 13/12/2010 12:50:28
Q: Are the reimbursed SP redistributable between the chars on one account or are they strictly per character?

Strictly per character I'm afraid.

CCP Stillman

Posted - 2010.12.13 14:52:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Amy Elteam
Q: Are the skill books being completely erased from existence? If I somehow managed to figure out some loophole in this erasure process would they even be able to exist in the new eve universe?

Say I want to own some copies for posterity.

Skill books are being completely erased. If you somehow manage to keep some, they'll definitely be erased in the future.

matt987
Posted - 2010.12.13 15:00:00 - [186]
 

i participated in the test on singularity you guys and ladies need not worry everything should go fine and look at it this way u will have free sp to boost your current skills without training thats the best part

Black998
Posted - 2010.12.13 15:28:00 - [187]
 

Do we get a free attribute remap?

Boinz
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.13 15:33:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Black998
Do we get a free attribute remap?


Laughing

ShadowStar90
Gallente
EVE EXTREME INNOVATIONS
Labores Solis Insidiae
Posted - 2010.12.13 15:39:00 - [189]
 

Q: How long can we hold Skill Point Pool until add to old skillbook?

Bel Rigean
Gallente
GoldLeaf Industries
Posted - 2010.12.13 15:41:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Q: *Your question here*
A:


Q: Will it hurt?

CCP Stillman

Posted - 2010.12.13 15:41:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: ShadowStar90
Q: How long can we hold Skill Point Pool until add to old skillbook?

The skill point pool will not expire at any point.

Bel Rigean
Gallente
GoldLeaf Industries
Posted - 2010.12.13 15:43:00 - [192]
 

Edited by: Bel Rigean on 13/12/2010 16:20:09
Originally by: DJWiggles
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist


Q: *Your question here*
A:


Can I have a Pony?

Love and kisses..

Wiggles


FOR PONY!!!

CCP Stillman

Posted - 2010.12.13 16:34:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Bel Rigean
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Q: *Your question here*
A:


Q: Will it hurt?

It'll be painless, I promise!Twisted Evil

Schmacos tryne
Posted - 2010.12.13 16:36:00 - [194]
 

I see you guys got out of bed and modded my "throughthenight rage session"... Don't worry this night will be long and I suggest those of you who isn't on the payroll to stay tuned!

Now I have two very constructive question to ask (Which you'll surely not answer since you only answer "meaning of life BS questions" but anyway here goes:

Q1: In light of the recent information where CCP/CSM made it clear in the beginning that NOONE shall train slower then they do now, Why do the players who have 5/5/5 get nerfed by 72SP compared to present training speed?

Q2: Are you aware of the fact that you will remove a barrier for BOT/RTM accounts? I mean you can get an account, have it training at max speed for whatever you need it to do and voila, freeride in much shorter time!!! IMH this is a bigger problem and is a potential game breaker then the skills themselves. I think most people would understand this barrier as restriction towards excessive alting/botting (no I mean really understand it not just whinewhine I want freeride whining).

bst regards: Schmacos tryne (aka. My butt hurts).

Max Thunderbird
Posted - 2010.12.13 16:46:00 - [195]
 

My training queue will end just before downtime. I will be adding Battlecruiser V to my queue. Before downtime my training will take 20D 11H 14M. If attributes change when downtime starts, at the end of downtime my training will take 20D 16H 46M. 10.5 hours longer than before less 5 hours of training during downtime.

If I have 10 mil SP before downtime, after downtime I will have 6 mil + 4 mil to allocate. 6+4=10. So once allocated my total SP will not change.

Q: Can CCP Santa transport me back in time so my teachers have another shot at teaching me math? For example how 20D 21H 46M (new training time) is faster than 20D 11H 14M (old training time) and also how 6 million + 4 mil is greater than 10 mil. I must have missed something the first time and I'm having a hard time understanding this new math.
A:

P.S. Thanks for the Charisma buff!

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2010.12.13 16:52:00 - [196]
 

I have a pretty important quesiton that I don't think was aked..

When allocating our new skill points, is there an undo option?

Say joe bloggs wants to train guide missile precision V but accidentally clicks to train FoF missiles V, which is right above it, can he fix that mistake?

If there is no undo option with the skill pool, can someone petition to reallocate the skillpoints again?

Cheers

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2010.12.13 16:56:00 - [197]
 

I'm pretty satisfied with this, even though I am one of those few who trained the Learning Skills all the way up. Mostly because I NEVER HAVE GOTTEN +5 IMPLANTS. You realize how prohibitively expensive those things are anyway? And to risk losing that if you ever get podded?! I'm sorry, but no thanks. I salute your bravery or internet spaceship financial security in using +5 implants, but please stop harping on it.

HOWEVER... I would like to ask whether the 'Decimal places' ever truly affected the training time? Like how I have 31.9 on my highest respec'd attribute. It's virtually 32. Will anyone who has attributes over 22 be shafted, as well, and not just those who maxed out Learning and used +5s?

scatter gun
Posted - 2010.12.13 17:00:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Giselle Garner
Originally by: I'thari
oh well, guess we won't ever find out why some of us actually got -1.5 attribute points as a "christmas present"...

Originally by: Giselle Garner
In brief words: the people that got full Learning won't have a big change of we had (a very small portion of the player base).
That "not a big change" is actually why those people bothered to train full learning skills bacause it's basicly difference between 5/4 with +5s and 5/5 with +5s.


Don't see your point of -1.5 attribute points. I will receive 20+5 = 25 base points. And the highest attrib I've got right now is Perception with 30,8. Don't find possible to loss in any situation with the remap of March,12

In my case, I knew I was going to survive in this game for years (I started with another account in Red Moon Rising). Only a long term decision when had to create this new account with a problem in the old account to re-activate.

And you are forgetting the buff to skills with the points of removal. If you are worried of having slower training, put them in the longest skill of your plan. I will do it...


from a player with 3 accounts w/ ALL 11x learning skills 5(33x total)

with lvl 5 all learning skills and +5 implants
(base(5+remap(10))+skills(10)+implant(5))*Learning(1.1) = 33
(base(5+remap(4))+skills(10)+implant(5))*learning(1.1) = 26.4
(all other stats at 22)

what im seeing, if the remap system remains the same.
base(20)+remap(up to 10)+implant(5) = 35 primary
base(20)+remap(4 points secondary)+implant(5) = 29 secondary attribute
(25/25/24 for the other stats assuming you arent remapped for charisma)

as long as remap system remains the same, ALL players should see benefits from this patch across the board.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2010.12.13 17:06:00 - [199]
 

Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 13/12/2010 17:07:00
Originally by: scatter gun
Originally by: Giselle Garner
Originally by: I'thari
oh well, guess we won't ever find out why some of us actually got -1.5 attribute points as a "christmas present"...

Originally by: Giselle Garner
In brief words: the people that got full Learning won't have a big change of we had (a very small portion of the player base).
That "not a big change" is actually why those people bothered to train full learning skills bacause it's basicly difference between 5/4 with +5s and 5/5 with +5s.


Don't see your point of -1.5 attribute points. I will receive 20+5 = 25 base points. And the highest attrib I've got right now is Perception with 30,8. Don't find possible to loss in any situation with the remap of March,12

In my case, I knew I was going to survive in this game for years (I started with another account in Red Moon Rising). Only a long term decision when had to create this new account with a problem in the old account to re-activate.

And you are forgetting the buff to skills with the points of removal. If you are worried of having slower training, put them in the longest skill of your plan. I will do it...


from a player with 3 accounts w/ ALL 11x learning skills 5(33x total)

with lvl 5 all learning skills and +5 implants
(base(5+remap(10))+skills(10)+implant(5))*Learning(1.1) = 33
(base(5+remap(4))+skills(10)+implant(5))*learning(1.1) = 26.4
(all other stats at 22)

what im seeing, if the remap system remains the same.
base(20)+remap(up to 10)+implant(5) = 35 primary
base(20)+remap(4 points secondary)+implant(5) = 29 secondary attribute
(25/25/24 for the other stats assuming you arent remapped for charisma)

as long as remap system remains the same, ALL players should see benefits from this patch across the board.


I think your math is off. 20 isn't the base-base. 20 is the base PLUS the remap points (with Charisma at 19 because it gets shortchanged since the remap points don't total a multiple of 5).

The real base is 17. Thus, you're off by 3 points on both.

Guttripper
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2010.12.13 17:15:00 - [200]
 

Question: Did CCP even consider removing the ten skills for base attribute bonuses and leaving the Learning skill itself with its multiplier?

Or is training a rank one skill too much?

Or not enough time to code properly and this change must be done now?

Of course come Wednesday, I should expect a substantial increase in subscription numbers and players in the game since everyone's family and friends that quit Eve due to the learning skills to return, joyful of the new changes.

Schmacos tryne
Posted - 2010.12.13 17:32:00 - [201]
 

I would like to get in touch with the CCP manager for the forums as I have some things to say about forum moderation among other things occuring here, so please can some CCP rep tell me how I go about doing this?

-ST

Guy Ferox
Posted - 2010.12.13 17:47:00 - [202]
 

Edited by: Guy Ferox on 13/12/2010 17:48:09
Edited by: Guy Ferox on 13/12/2010 17:47:35
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Thorleifer
so are we getting a remap or not? it is a simple question, I think it is only fair to give us a free remap.


There will be no free remap as remaps are not being changed.

As CCP Greyscale has already said, if it is not in the blog it is not happening.


http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1420510&page=13

line 389
took me 13 pages to find this because the ccp guys here are too lazy to say yes, your remap timer is getting reset, or no we are not changeing the timer.

Dreistein
Epicurus' philosophy
Posted - 2010.12.13 17:56:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Edited by: Tres Farmer on 12/12/2010 18:59:54

...
Q: Has CCP Easter Bunny a totally coloured Pod, like those Easter Eggs?
Yes, I reported him once for hacking and GM Horse just laughed at me.
...



Now with answers from me Twisted Evil


If you want to report CCP Easter Bunny for hacking, please file a petition.
If you actualy did file one... be carefull when you discuss it on the forum...

:-)
3S

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2010.12.13 18:05:00 - [204]
 

Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 13/12/2010 19:11:16
Actually, I'm curious about this... Wouldn't maxing out Int and/or Per be relatively plausible for most? One or the other, at the very least, depending on one's intended goals.

Though, really, those of us who did invest in Level V advanced learning... we have millions of skillpoints to put where we like, especially into skills we'd never be caught dead remapping to train better but could certainly utilize. Like Leadership, or maybe Social if we're KOS to an Empire and that little extra in Diplomacy will make the difference. Or even Corporation Management or Trade. At the very least, we can put the points into skills we're currently not remapped to train well, like if we're Per/Wil and want to push our tanking up, invest in Mechanic or Engineering skills. Or if we're currently Int/Mem we could easily get those gunnery or ship skills we've been waiting on.

An even better idea might be to apply the reimbursed points into skills with the usual secondary as their primary attribute. Such as the Tech 2 ship skills, which all have Willpower as the primary instead of perception, or Industrial skills vs Engineering/Mechanic skills for those who swing that way (Memory/Intelligence vs Intelligence/Memory).

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.12.13 18:46:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: BiggestT
I have a pretty important quesiton that I don't think was aked..

When allocating our new skill points, is there an undo option?

Say joe bloggs wants to train guide missile precision V but accidentally clicks to train FoF missiles V, which is right above it, can he fix that mistake?

If there is no undo option with the skill pool, can someone petition to reallocate the skillpoints again?

Cheers

Is there an undo button when you add/destroy implants? Is there an undo button if you set the wrong skill to train for a few weeks?

oolk
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.12.13 19:00:00 - [206]
 

So if I have 30 intel,Ill get 25 max with +5s...

yay.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2010.12.13 19:13:00 - [207]
 

There are better reasons to protest about the new system than going 'I'm losing training speed! whine' ... such as the guy who suggested that RMT and bots in general might benefit more from this change. I must say that's a far more compelling argument. Not sure how I feel about it, myself.

I do like that new players will benefit greatly, and that means more targets or companions in the future, but I have a hard time ignoring the bot point, now, thanks to that being brought up.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2010.12.13 19:52:00 - [208]
 

Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 13/12/2010 20:00:12
Originally by: oolk
So if I have 30 intel,Ill get 25 max with +5s...

yay.


If you have 30 intel right now, with a +5.. You'll probably end up with 32 Intel after the patch. That's under the assumption that Intel is your primary from your last remap.

The only people losing training time are those who put any advanced learning skill to V. But they also get at least two million (to as much as five million) skill points reimbursed for them to reallocate as they see fit (the amount is however much you've invested in Learning skills). With those skill points, I'd personally recommend investing in skills you want, but would be inefficient to remap for, or otherwise dedicate time to train up. If you're intel specced, I'd personally recommend anything that doesn't have Intel as the primary attribute, for instance, but especially things that have primary that you'd never remap towards ever (like things with Charisma primary) that you'd still like to have. Of course, this is just what I think seems the best idea; people do whatever they want, it's their skill points.. I just figure this recommendation makes the most sense. Seems like it'd make the most of the time used on Learning skills, to use the skill points on skills that would take the longest to train otherwise.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.13 19:56:00 - [209]
 

So what will happen tomorrow? Normal day??

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.12.13 19:57:00 - [210]
 

Hopefully you will do; update charInfo set skillpool = skillpool + learningSkillsSP

Rather than skillpool = learningSkillsSP

RIGHT? Rolling Eyes


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