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Guinness Hooker
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:31:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Guinness Hooker on 12/12/2010 19:32:27
Originally by: NYTERRORZ
Q:i wasnt talking about the skill points i was talking about the attribute points that we get from the learning skills. like if you train iron will up to 5 you get 5 perception points from it. or are all the attribute points that come with the learning skills dissapeering as well? because thats gonna increase training time by a lot.


They go poof

Giselle Garner
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:34:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Guinness Hooker
tell People what happens if you have max learning skills and a major remap with +5. 22/33/22/26.40/22 if you spent the time you get the shaftCrying or Very sad


Right now I've got, with +5's but Charisma, 28,6/30,8/16,5/22/22. And even stating that, "correcting" the situation with a Neural Remap, I like this decision. The other matter are the "related things".

Originally by: NYTERRORZ
Q:i wasnt talking about the skill points i was talking about the attribute points that we get from the learning skills. like if you train iron will up to 5 you get 5 perception points from it. or are all the attribute points that come with the learning skills dissapeering as well? because thats gonna increase training time by a lot.


That's the reason why they set the attribs to 20, but Charisma that will be 19. The base were obviously lower.

NYTERRORZ
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:35:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: NYTERRORZ on 12/12/2010 19:37:18
Q:so let me get this right.... ccp is removing 55 attribute points from the learning system and thus increasing the learning time from this point on? or am i missing something?

ok someone posted above me as i was posting explaing this...sorta so everthing is defaulted as if you have all the learning skills yet there will be no learning skills... so everything is 20 except charisma (19) and then you add your implants ontop of that?

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:36:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: NYTERRORZ
Q:i wasnt talking about the skill points i was talking about the attribute points that we get from the learning skills. like if you train iron will up to 5 you get 5 perception points from it. or are all the attribute points that come with the learning skills dissapeering as well? because thats gonna increase training time by a lot.


For example Lets say you train Spatial Awareness to 5 and Clarity to 2 that gives you 7 extra perception. When the learning skills are removed those 7 points are gone, BUT we are giving you 12 points in perception back to make up for it. So in the end you get 12 points to all attributes instead of having the learning skills.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:38:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: NYTERRORZ
Q:so let me get this right.... ccp is removing 55 attribute points from the learning system and thus increasing the learning time from this point on? or am i missing something?


You are missing the 60 points they are giving you, 12 in each attribute.

NYTERRORZ
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:39:00 - [36]
 

ahh ok i get it i just have a little spatial dysplasia thats all...

Giselle Garner
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:42:00 - [37]
 

In brief words: the people that got full Learning won't have a big change of we had (a very small portion of the player base). The rest of the people will have the same of getting trained all the Learning Skills.

I'thari
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:46:00 - [38]
 

oh well, guess we won't ever find out why some of us actually got -1.5 attribute points as a "christmas present"...

Originally by: Giselle Garner
In brief words: the people that got full Learning won't have a big change of we had (a very small portion of the player base).
That "not a big change" is actually why those people bothered to train full learning skills bacause it's basicly difference between 5/4 with +5s and 5/5 with +5s.

Guinness Hooker
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:47:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Giselle Garner
Originally by: Guinness Hooker
tell People what happens if you have max learning skills and a major remap with +5. 22/33/22/26.40/22 if you spent the time you get the shaftCrying or Very sad


Right now I've got, with +5's but Charisma, 28,6/30,8/16,5/22/22. And even stating that, "correcting" the situation with a Neural Remap, I like this decision. The other matter are the "related things".

So your Fine with never being ablle to have 33 and a 26.4 high again best you can ever do now is 32 and 26 rest as 22 you lose 1.4 skill points

ROCK JOKK
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:50:00 - [40]
 

Since some of us have trained some of the Learning skills to lv2 or 3, but spent 4.5 mil isk, will we receive a partial reimbursement in skill points or isk?

Guinness Hooker
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:51:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: I'thari
oh well, guess we won't ever find out why some of us actually got -1.5 attribute points as a "christmas present"...

Originally by: Giselle Garner
In brief words: the people that got full Learning won't have a big change of we had (a very small portion of the player base).
That "not a big change" is actually why those people bothered to train full learning skills bacause it's basicly difference between 5/4 with +5s and 5/5 with +5s.


I feel your pain on 3 accounts lol

548645156
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:52:00 - [42]
 

will all the char in the same account get the sp for each char

Giselle Garner
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:55:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: I'thari
oh well, guess we won't ever find out why some of us actually got -1.5 attribute points as a "christmas present"...

Originally by: Giselle Garner
In brief words: the people that got full Learning won't have a big change of we had (a very small portion of the player base).
That "not a big change" is actually why those people bothered to train full learning skills bacause it's basicly difference between 5/4 with +5s and 5/5 with +5s.


Don't see your point of -1.5 attribute points. I will receive 20+5 = 25 base points. And the highest attrib I've got right now is Perception with 30,8. Don't find possible to loss in any situation with the remap of March,12

In my case, I knew I was going to survive in this game for years (I started with another account in Red Moon Rising). Only a long term decision when had to create this new account with a problem in the old account to re-activate.

And you are forgetting the buff to skills with the points of removal. If you are worried of having slower training, put them in the longest skill of your plan. I will do it...

Penicilin
Posted - 2010.12.12 19:55:00 - [44]
 

Q: Does our current rewmap stay the same + aded points or it resets to 20.20.20.19? There was a lot of information and misinformation being thrown around about this.

Q: Do we get a mini or full rewmap to reallocate additional attribute points we are getting now (ppl that didn't have all learning skills trained to lvl5)?

Razefummel
Posted - 2010.12.12 20:01:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Razefummel on 12/12/2010 20:04:46
Q: If i had remaped one or two month ago, and you give uns the new Atributes, what will happens to that remap? Will i become an new Remap for the new Atributes or will i have to play with that 20/20/20/20/19 Stuff the whole next jear?
A:

The background of that Question is that the base of all atributes was 5 + learnings bla blubb...
If i had to do my remap after the learnings were dumped, my charismapoints would be 5 + Implants...

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2010.12.12 20:06:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: 548645156
will all the char in the same account get the sp for each char


It is done per character.
For example: You have one character on your account with 1 million learning skills, that character gets 1 million back. If another character on the same account has 5 million learning skills, then that character gets 5 million back.

Guinness Hooker
Posted - 2010.12.12 20:09:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Giselle Garner
Originally by: I'thari
oh well, guess we won't ever find out why some of us actually got -1.5 attribute points as a "christmas present"...

Originally by: Giselle Garner
In brief words: the people that got full Learning won't have a big change of we had (a very small portion of the player base).
That "not a big change" is actually why those people bothered to train full learning skills bacause it's basicly difference between 5/4 with +5s and 5/5 with +5s.


Don't see your point of -1.5 attribute points. I will receive 20+5 = 25 base points. And the highest attrib I've got right now is Perception with 30,8. Don't find possible to loss in any situation with the remap of March,12

In my case, I knew I was going to survive in this game for years (I started with another account in Red Moon Rising). Only a long term decision when had to create this new account with a problem in the old account to re-activate.

And you are forgetting the buff to skills with the points of removal. If you are worried of having slower training, put them in the longest skill of your plan. I will do it...

I already know this but you adding days not a few hours on some skills like bs 5 or carrier 5. get on test server and look

Cornwalace
Posted - 2010.12.12 20:10:00 - [48]
 

Q: If I were to purchase the Commissioned Officer Edition from a store, do we still have access to the Cerebral Accelerator towards any new account/character we may decide to create, since it is a sort of "new player learning speed bonus"?
A:

Q: Would utilizing the Cerebral Accelerator be the equivalent of using the new player learning speed bonus for those of us with new accounts (or wanting to start new accounts)?
A:

Q:What other "Miscellaneous other cleanup tasks will be performed that are not very interesting" regarding the learning skills are happening?
A:


Confused

Commander Kennedy
Caldari
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2010.12.12 20:12:00 - [49]
 

Q: Will everyone be receiving a free remap on TQ like they did on Sisi?
A:

hfuahfkjasfhkas
Posted - 2010.12.12 20:13:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: hfuahfkjasfhkas on 12/12/2010 20:14:31
Originally by: Guinness Hooker
Originally by: I'thari
oh well, guess we won't ever find out why some of us actually got -1.5 attribute points as a "christmas present"...

Originally by: Giselle Garner
In brief words: the people that got full Learning won't have a big change of we had (a very small portion of the player base).
That "not a big change" is actually why those people bothered to train full learning skills bacause it's basicly difference between 5/4 with +5s and 5/5 with +5s.


I feel your pain on 3 accounts lol


Dude I'm in the same boat. On SiSi I went from 34 Intel to 33. So in this update I'm getting one charisma point (and something else I think) but I'm losing what I need. I guess I gotta add a week to my current training plan :\

Edit: wrong character lol note to self preview before post :P

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2010.12.12 20:14:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Cornwalace
Q: If I were to purchase the Commissioned Officer Edition from a store, do we still have access to the Cerebral Accelerator towards any new account/character we may decide to create, since it is a sort of "new player learning speed bonus"?
A:

Q: Would utilizing the Cerebral Accelerator be the equivalent of using the new player learning speed bonus for those of us with new accounts (or wanting to start new accounts)?
A:

Q:What other "Miscellaneous other cleanup tasks will be performed that are not very interesting" regarding the learning skills are happening?
A:


Confused


Implants are not being changed because they are not learning skills Laughing

I also have no idea about those miscellaneous other cleanup tasks but I'll see if I can find someone to answer that for you.

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2010.12.12 20:17:00 - [52]
 

I have only stupid questions, but I'll ask anyway to be certain...I tried the Sisi test, but being as I was training learning skills on TQ i had no point of reference to what my refunds should have been Embarassed

Q: Will the bonus points expire at any point in the future, or can I hang onto them?
A:

Q: Will the new bonus points overwrite any existing bonus skillpoints, like from the unexpected server downtime however long ago?
A:

CCP Stillman

Posted - 2010.12.12 20:23:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: Cornwalace
Q: If I were to purchase the Commissioned Officer Edition from a store, do we still have access to the Cerebral Accelerator towards any new account/character we may decide to create, since it is a sort of "new player learning speed bonus"?
A:

Q: Would utilizing the Cerebral Accelerator be the equivalent of using the new player learning speed bonus for those of us with new accounts (or wanting to start new accounts)?
A:

Q:What other "Miscellaneous other cleanup tasks will be performed that are not very interesting" regarding the learning skills are happening?
A:


Confused


Implants are not being changed because they are not learning skills Laughing

I also have no idea about those miscellaneous other cleanup tasks but I'll see if I can find someone to answer that for you.


Why hallo there,

The miscellaneous part refers to following items, but are not limited to:
1. All mentions of learning skills removed from tutorials, evelopedia, other text in the client
2. All complexes that required skills to activate gates, no longer requires those
3. Changing of the name and description of the static data for learning skills, as we can't complete remove them quite yet

As for the Cerebral Accelerator, we're not changing anything in regards to it, and it will continue to be given to players who buys the new sexy box, and anybody using it as of Tuesday will not experience any problems from using it. Smile

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2010.12.12 20:29:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
I have only stupid questions, but I'll ask anyway to be certain...I tried the Sisi test, but being as I was training learning skills on TQ i had no point of reference to what my refunds should have been Embarassed

Q: Will the bonus points expire at any point in the future, or can I hang onto them?
A:

Q: Will the new bonus points overwrite any existing bonus skillpoints, like from the unexpected server downtime however long ago?
A:


Answered in the main FAQ! Smile

Ovella
Posted - 2010.12.12 20:31:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: CCP Stillman
The miscellaneous part refers to following items, but are not limited to:
1. All mentions of learning skills removed from tutorials, evelopedia, other text in the client
2. All complexes that required skills to activate gates, no longer requires those
3. Changing of the name and description of the static data for learning skills, as we can't complete remove them quite yet
Any chance you'll also get to cnaging PLEX description to relate "recent" changes? Rolling Eyes

I'm reffering to ones that allowed it's transportation, ofc Razz

haarlowe
Posted - 2010.12.12 20:52:00 - [56]
 

Q: Come December 14th, if a character is inactive, do they still get their skill points back to use upon reactivation?

A:

Garalan
Minmatar
Estrale Frontiers
Posted - 2010.12.12 21:06:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: I'thari
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Q: *Your question here*
A:
What about my "72 sp/hour"?


Please answer this one, thank you !!

James Marlow
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.12.12 21:08:00 - [58]
 

Just to clarify: Will Learning skills be removed ENTIRELY from the game, or will they be like Salvage Drone Operation, still in game but useless?

If they will remain in game, could you spend your SP on finihs up learning skills, and thus get the maximum number of re-distributable sp in return?

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.12 21:09:00 - [59]
 

Q: Was this FAQ sticky thread created to prevent 500+ threads asking the same thing?

CCP Stillman

Posted - 2010.12.12 21:26:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Ovella
Originally by: CCP Stillman
The miscellaneous part refers to following items, but are not limited to:
1. All mentions of learning skills removed from tutorials, evelopedia, other text in the client
2. All complexes that required skills to activate gates, no longer requires those
3. Changing of the name and description of the static data for learning skills, as we can't complete remove them quite yet
Any chance you'll also get to cnaging PLEX description to relate "recent" changes? Rolling Eyes

I'm reffering to ones that allowed it's transportation, ofc Razz


CCP Chronotis has already fixed this. It should be out for Incursion 1.1 Smile


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