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Altaree
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:02:00 - [61]
 

Cool little ship! Can we build them or are they destined to become hanger queens?

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:05:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Altaree
Cool little ship! Can we build them or are they destined to become hanger queens?

Hanger Queens.

Meh.

Lirinas
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:05:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Orephia
Originally by: CCP Loktofeit
The advanced cryptographic processors on board provide superior hacking capabilities for use on most known password-secured devices.
GSCs?



I had the exact same thought, but I seriously doubt it'll let us hack player containers :(

Otherwise, while it looks like a pretty ship, I don't see me ever using it.

Aeo IV
Amarr
Xomic OmniCorporation
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:05:00 - [64]
 

I like new ships and free stuff, but I wish CCP wouldn't focus so much effort in one-of-and-useless ships.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:06:00 - [65]
 

Thanks CCP, keep up the good work - altho snowballs would have been enough Laughing

/c

Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:10:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 09/12/2010 17:10:19
Was hoping for old cyno effects and engine trails Sad

Still looks p good though.

Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:11:00 - [67]
 

With the release of Incarna, will there be a way to showcase all of these museum pieces?

If people can't walk around looking at all the nice freebie ships that never get flown because there aren't any ways to mass-produce them, ooh'ing and ahh'ing how awesome it is that you have them - what good are they? 10-1 says you take one of these to an Incursion site, it will get blowned up. I wish CCP remembers what the first rule of EVE is:

First rule of Eve: Don't fly anything you can't afford to replace.

Cpt Wisdoom
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:12:00 - [68]
 

And i just hoped for Hybrid turrets rebalance... Well... Ship is still good, thx. Collectors item, nothing more, but good.

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:14:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Magnus Orin on 09/12/2010 17:14:52
Nice, if the Primae -> Noctis was any indication, the Echelon may be evidence that we are going to see a dedicated science ship BPO in Eve soon.

I think a dedicated science vessel with hacking and code breaking bonuses would fill a small hole in the toolbox of ships imo.

Kateryne
Minmatar
Kat's Discount Weapon Emporium
NISYN Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:15:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Aeo IV
I like new ships and free stuff, but I wish CCP wouldn't focus so much effort in one-of-and-useless ships.

This to be honest, as it sounds like it won't see much use outside of the new Sansha invasion mechanics, which aren't going to interest a majority of people anyway. How about something we could all use? Like a ship with bonuses to hacking, archaeology and scanning in general? A super-covert-ops frigate.

Knug LiDi
N00bFleeT
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:18:00 - [71]
 

Hmmmm free hacking ship.

My wish? The "useful" version (i.e. primae --> noctis) is used to hack into abandoned/offlined POS structures so we can clear out that debris without having to blow the station up.

That would be awesome.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:44:00 - [72]
 

This is going to be to close Sansha wormholes, right?

Zahira Wrath
Amarr
Dominion Strategic
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:44:00 - [73]
 

Cool ship CCP! :)

Is it possible that it could get the Primae->Notis treatment?

i.e will we see a build-able better version of the ship for day to day use?
(more slots, some tank, some gank,seeded T1 BPO, concord frigate skill book?)Question

zcar300
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:56:00 - [74]
 

"superior hacking capabilities for use on most known password-secured devices."
It would be a big step up if we could hack player "password-secured devices". Stealing from secure cans would still get you agro.

I absolutely love these one off free ships. Yes most will be hanger queens but I like collecting rare items.

It sounds to me like there will be a production version of this that will become very important when battling the real sansha incursions. I believe I remember them saying you will have to do some hacking to complete them.

Rendifferent
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:01:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: CCP Loktofeit
Edited by: CCP Loktofeit on 09/12/2010 15:28:42
The stats of the Echelon are fairly equal to an average T1 frigate, except that it can only fit one module and no rigs. The module itself is similar to a T1 codebreaker, except it has twice the range and an eight-second cycle time.



So basically what you're saying it that it's completely impractical and mostly worthless. Why not just release it as a full ship like the Noctis?

Lise Kahel
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:05:00 - [76]
 

On SiSi, this ship has 3 rig slots and requires Amarr Frigate II. Huh?

chaosjj
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:06:00 - [77]
 

Echelon stats (from singularity, so probably not final)

Shield 235
armor 305
hull 274

resists are that of a amarr frigate

capacitor 187 GJ
140sec recharge

targeting range: 20km
scan resolution: 700mm
Radar sensor strength: 6
signature radius 33m

velocity: 404 m\sec
Warp speed: 6 AU/sec

Skill req

amarr frigate 2
spaceship command 1

powergrid: 0
CPU: 0

slots:
1 medium slot
3 rig slots

Kovid
Applied Agoraphobia
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:07:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Kovid on 09/12/2010 18:12:09
When you hack sometimes it spawns npcs. So it has a faster cycle time and twice the range. But since you can only have one special hacker per ship another frigate could fit more and do the same job or better. Cycle time is 2 seconds faster. And it's a gift ship so if it explodes you have no others. You can't put a cloak on it to keep it safe until you need it so it seems best left in high sec.

I hope the art department didn't waste months on this ship when they could have tweaked an existing model. For instance the response to the Naglfar complaints was that it would take way to long for the art department to put another turret on.

A free holiday ship it is. So it can't be much anything useful or it would eventually create a market like the unique ships that CCP doesn't seem to want to approach again as would eventually be thinned out to the point their value would make them something real collectors would want.

But it seems its more likely part of the Sansha invasion storyline to be used with that. All the people involved in the RP and the actual interaction of that should be happy. If that's the case then the art department basically spent the time to make a 'prop.' I'm not sure how I feel about that. I guess it depends on how much time and compare it to releasing a new ship or editing an old one like a Naglfar(granted it is seems balanced now except skillwise) or the Scorpion.

Is this the cloaked ship on the login screen? It is a stretch since the ship itself can't cloak.


Exordium8
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:08:00 - [79]
 

Getting this ship negates any good CCP did with removing the learning skills. I just want a ship that's not totally useless for Christmas, is that too much to ask? OK, the Zephyr was kinda useful, but give us a combat ship FFS, not a one-slot-wonder

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.12.09 18:13:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Must the account be active on the 14th for this item to be redeemable or is it ok as long as the account is fully paid anytime within the redeem window?
The account must be active at some point during the 14 Dec - 3 Jan window.

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.12.09 18:15:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: MailDeadDrop
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Must the account be active on the 14th for this item to be redeemable or is it ok as long as the account is fully paid anytime within the redeem window?
I'd speculate (based on prior CCP actions) that the account must be active on the 14th. Essentially at downtime on the 14th, CCP runs a special job that places a redeemable token on each active account. That token can be redeemed (by any character on the account) for the ship. At downtime on January 3rd CCP will run another job to delete any remaining tokens.
We add a time-limited token on 14 Dec but you can activate your account at any time before or during the window and redeem the ship.

Ulstan
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:20:00 - [82]
 

I like the look of this ship but, um, what is it going to be used for?

Nothing, as far as I can see. You can't scan down and run hacking sites with only one module, and if you're going to be using 2 ships anyway, there are much better options.

I hope eventually a 'real' ship will use the model, because it's a very nice one.

Xqpvqsvs Qr'atyuqink
Minmatar
Lamb Federation Navy
C0VEN
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:20:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: CCP Loktofeit
Edited by: CCP Loktofeit on 09/12/2010 15:28:42
The stats of the Echelon are fairly equal to an average T1 frigate, except that it can only fit one module and no rigs. The module itself is similar to a T1 codebreaker, except it has twice the range and an eight-second cycle time.



so another useless ship which is bad at everything

Cierelle
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:25:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Lirinas
Originally by: Orephia
Originally by: CCP Loktofeit
The advanced cryptographic processors on board provide superior hacking capabilities for use on most known password-secured devices.
GSCs?



I had the exact same thought, but I seriously doubt it'll let us hack player containers :(

Otherwise, while it looks like a pretty ship, I don't see me ever using it.



Hey CCP, whats the word on this? Are we gonna be able to hack GSC's or other known PW protected itmes from players??? !!! Being able to hack offlined or abandoned towers would be AWESOME !!!!!!!

Gun Hog
Caldari
APEX ARDENT COALITION
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:25:00 - [85]
 

*Blueprints*, CCP! BLUEPRINTS! Do not give us fish, CCP! Teach us how to get our own so that we may feed ourselves for a lifetime!

I like my Primae. I like my Apotheosis. I would rather have the BP so I can actually undock with them!

Ulstan
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:27:00 - [86]
 

There's a possibility CCP will introduce new uses for hacking for helping deal with sansha incursions, but either you can hack those sites with existing ships, in which case everyone will use those so they don't lose an irreplaceable ship if npc's blow up it's paper thin hull, or only the echolon can complete them, which seems like a recipe for disaster and endless griping from people with inactive accounts during this period :p

DJ DeLaMuerta
Weird Science Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:38:00 - [87]
 

Its a nice ship and once again the Art team have done a super job however...

Its yet another free ship that will get very limited use but yet has taken as much time to design as if you were to add in a full combat, market bound ship.
We have had a lot of free ships in the last few years but few new additions to the line up and none to the standard T1 listings that have some glaring holes.

What about Tier 2&3&4 Destroyers, a ship class thats almost completely useless now we have a dedicated salvage ship.
What about Tier 3&4 Battlecruisers, probably the most popular class in eve and yet we have are sorely lacking in choice.
What about Tier 4 BS, think how much salivating and joy a new BS for each race would bring.
What about all the faction ships we are missing such as faction BC and Destroyers, that would add much more depth to the game instead of just the ones that have not been added to in many years.

While i love the gesture of all these free ships i would much rather the time was put into developing and expanding the regular ships we use every day. We have had so little changes/additions in recent years that things are getting quite stagnant and the addition of meaning full combat ships (particularity accessible T1 ones) would be so warmly received that i am surprised we have been left waiting so long tbh.

Thanks though tis a nice ship.



Baddaxe
Minmatar
Construction Cabal
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:39:00 - [88]
 

Lame, just like all the free ships CCP has passed out in the past.
Another usless honk-o-junk to clog up my hanger. I'll park it right next to the useless PI ship and the useless scanning solar powered ship.

It's not like they would lose money giving us a real ship that could realy be used and not a butch of junk.

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:54:00 - [89]
 

I'm calling it right now...

2011's Christmas ship will be a plucky little frigate that can fit the finest <insert race>'s analyzing skill modules, and a freebie little data analyzer.

2012's Freebie will be a svelte little mining cruiser straight from ORE industries, equipped with a top-o-the-line gas harvester that even a newbie can operate... and 200 m3 cargo hold.

2013 anyone?

/me looks under the tree, looking for another present besides socks after all the buildup.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:57:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
the second part of this year’s Christmas present, the CONCORD Echelon ship
The Learning Skills removal, while I didn't agree with it, was at least substantial. To follow up with... this? Laaaaame.


hey, dude, that's a lot of man hours, learning skill removal is nothing compared to the work they put into this :(


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