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David Eastwick
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:06:00 - [1]
 

ok as some may of seen im back after 3 years absence
now i have a raven
it has
2x torpedo launchers
2x cruise launchers
2x some sort of missile launcher (cant renember which type)
1 x shield ward thing (recharges the shields ..slowly at great cap usuage)
1 x scanner thing (no idea what it does lol)
1 x salvager
1x tractor beam

IN THE PAST
mission lvl 1`s easy easy
mission lvl 2 easy
mission lvl 3 hard but do able if i went slow

NOW
Mission lvl 1 havent tried
mission lvl 2 oh god what happened?1?!?
mission lvl 3 dare not try

now i had to kill a pirate (faction name begins with a G gurreta or some such (im at work) ) the first wave was serously annoying every 2 minutes a dispoiler and sabatour kept jamming me and i kept losing lock on....dispoilers took forever to kill even with all batteries firing . after lots of back and fourths i killed them all then some demolishers (yeah yeah im dyslexic but i hope you can understand what i mean) showed up ...all batteries focused on one ship and all i could do before my shields hit 25% was take his shields down by 10% !?!?!?!?

now it used to be that ravens were the B all end all of the attack ships, missiles and torps were killer. this has clearly changed, yes no?

so what caldri ship and weapon set would you advise?

my skills according to eve gate are
Battlecruisers (6x)
SP: 21,591 / 48,000 Level 2
Caldari Battleship (8x)
SP: 68,634 / 362,039 Level 3
Caldari Cruiser (5x)
SP: 1,280,000 Level 5
Caldari Frigate (2x)
SP: 175,046 / 512,000 Level 4
Caldari Industrial (4x)
SP: 5,657 / 32,000 Level 2
Destroyers (2x)
SP: 16,000 / 90,510 Level 3
Mining Barge (4x)
SP: 1,024,000 Level 5
Minmatar Frigate (2x)
SP: 2,829 / 16,000 Level 2
Spaceship Command (1x)
SP: 45,264 / 256,000 Level 4

so any advice greatly recieved and any other details you need happy to provide

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:13:00 - [2]
 

"2x torpedo launchers
2x cruise launchers
2x some sort of missile launcher (cant renember which type)"


...

I'll pretend this post is serious. Your mixing missile types. trops are for close range targets. This used to not be the case, but it is now, either fit 6 torps, or 6 cruise missles.

Also what else you have fitted? or is it just a shield ward? get rid of that scanner fool.

Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:13:00 - [3]
 

Eek!

So first off, if you are running level 1, 2, or 3 missions, you are not up against battleships, you are up against Frigates and Cruisers. These are small fast ships. Your cruise launchers and torpedo launchers won't be able to hit those ships, they are too small. it has to do with explosion velocity, among other things. Your cruise missiles, and even more so, your torpedos, blow up slowly, so the "shockwave" for lack of a better term, moves too slow. The missile blows up, the shock wave starts, and the ship escapes unscathed. You need to use smaller missiles with a faster explosion velocity in order to hit those small targets. There are other factors too, but I think this is the main factor. But the main point of my ramblings is that those missile launchers just won't work for those missions.

Also, your ship might not be able to make it in to some of those missions, as it is too large.

You will also want to train up your missile and shield skills.

I would suggest using a Drake to run level 3 missions.

Check out some level 3 mission fits on a website called Battleclinic

daisy dook
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:13:00 - [4]
 

You're having trouble with frigates, then I'd recommend you fit all your launcher slots with assault missile launchers and look at upgrading to a raven navy issue for that extra missile slot.

Its the only way to be sure.

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:17:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 08/12/2010 19:25:57
Oh boy..are you in for it hehe.

/gets popcorn.

I would say visit the help channel in chat,read and ask questions.Your better off doing that.First thing youll need is a good fitting for your raven.That wont work at all.

Linkage


Better yet..park that raven and buy a Drake,trust me.When you start lvl 4,then well get back to that raven.

Wu Spacey
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:19:00 - [6]
 

This is a common mistake, you need to upgrade your scanner thing to a "Sisters probe launcher", then I think you can do level 4's ok.

gfldex
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:22:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: David Eastwick
ok as some may of seen im back after 3 years absence
now i have a raven



Yes, torps (in fact all missiles) have been nerfed. What was a fine fitting for quick stšnding grind 3 years ago will get you ridiculed real hard. In fact, insiting to fit torps on anything then a bomber will get you ridiculed.

Faildari is fail. Save yourself trouble and skill for Amarr.

Buzz Killingdon
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:28:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: gfldex
Originally by: David Eastwick
ok as some may of seen im back after 3 years absence
now i have a raven



Yes, torps (in fact all missiles) have been nerfed. What was a fine fitting for quick stšnding grind 3 years ago will get you ridiculed real hard. In fact, insiting to fit torps on anything then a bomber will get you ridiculed.

Faildari is fail. Save yourself trouble and skill for Amarr.


umad bro?

David Eastwick
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:29:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: David Eastwick on 08/12/2010 19:31:31
first i will say this IS a serous topic im not trolling or whinning or taking the pee
second im at workk for several more hours so cant access the help chat and the details i need would pretty much monopolise the chat and i have no right to do that

those that have posted thank you im about to patrol then ill look at the links you posted

my misile skills (according to eve gate, what a handy tool)
Cruise Missiles (5x)
SP: 7,072 / 40,000 Level 2
FoF Missiles (3x)
SP: 750 / 4,243 Level 1
Guided Missile Precision (5x)
SP: 20,106 / 7,072 Level 1
4h 29m 25s
Heavy Missiles (3x)
SP: 24,000 / 135,765 Level 3
Missile Bombardment (2x)
SP: 90,510 / 512,000 Level 4
Missile Launcher Operation (1x)
SP: 256,000 Level 5
Missile Projection (4x)
SP: 32,000 / 181,020 Level 3
Rapid Launch (2x)
SP: 90,510 / 512,000 Level 4
Rockets (1x)
SP: 3 / 250 Level 0
Standard Missiles (2x)
SP: 16,000 / 90,510 Level 3
Target Navigation Prediction (2x)
SP: 90,510 / 512,000 Level 4
Torpedoes (4x)
SP: 616,215 / 1,024,000 Level 4
Warhead Upgrades (5x)
SP: 531,557 / 1,280,000 Level 4


my gunnary skills are
Controlled Bursts (2x)
SP: 16,000 / 90,510 Level 3
Gunnery (1x)
SP: 45,255 / 256,000 Level 4
Medium Energy Turret (3x)
SP: 750 / 4,243 Level 1
Motion Prediction (2x)
SP: 677 / 2,829 Level 1
Rapid Firing (2x)
SP: 500 / 2,829 Level 1
Sharpshooter (2x)
SP: 500 / 2,829 Level 1
Small Energy Turret (1x)
SP: 8,014 / 45,255 Level 3
Small Hybrid Turret (1x)
SP: 1,116 / 1,415 Level 1
Small Projectile Turret (1x)
SP: 250 / 1,415 Level 1
Surgical Strike (4x)
SP: 1,002 / 5,657 Level 1
Weapon Upgrades (2x)
SP: 500 / 2,829 Level 1

as i say 3 years ago a mixture of missiles was the advice i went with im sure it was something about fast missiles holding the ai in place for a second and then the torps plow in but im not 100% on that

i have 34 mill isk to my name after selling most of my old stuff and im happy to buy a new ship if thats the advice

will swap the scanner for a sister probe launcher when i log on if theres one cheap, does that help with the jamming ? or what does it do?
i did think maybe i should lose the tractor beam as thats more of a lazy mans tool.

***edit****
gfldex
sadly as you can see i have spent a lot of time skilling up on caldri stuff though when the learning skills are nerfed i should have 1.1mil sp i can reasign.

Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:32:00 - [10]
 

cross train to minmatar

only their guns are decent...... hybrids are crap, missiles are crap, lasers are ok

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:35:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 08/12/2010 19:39:12
Do not buy a sisters probe launcher lol.

Visit the help channel and get some real helpLaughingYou will get bashed in this forum.

For those lower missions you want a drake (battlecruiser) look on that site we linked above for a mission fitting.Sell that raven if you have to because if you jump in a lvl 4 whith what you know now youll die hard.And the raven is no good for lower lvl missions.

On the first look something like this should work..youll have to browse a bit.
Linkage

Wu Spacey
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:35:00 - [12]
 

"first i will say this IS a serous topic im not trolling or whinning or taking the pee".

You are not whining, ill give you that.

Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:39:00 - [13]
 

Hmmm... well I am in a good mood so I'll bite.

Torps were balanced with the November 2008 release of Quantum Rise.

Patch Notes.

...oh and yes it took me a while to track that down Laughing

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:40:00 - [14]
 

you don't have to buy a new ship, ravens are still mass used in missioning.

Large weapons just don't hit small targets. Also get your base missile skills up to at least 3/4 each.

post your fit when you get home so we can help more.

also don't run level 3's in a raven, get a drake! read up on passive shield tanking.

Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
Tragedy.
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:42:00 - [15]
 

To answer a couple of your questions...

Yes...torps were nerfed a couple years ago. Range decreased and some other tweaks made since then. They are pretty much useless unless you can get really close and you are hitting really big stuff.

Get a Tengu...in my opinion there is no better ratting ship available right now. Tengu all the way...fit with an AB or MWD with Heavy Assault Missiles for maximum DPS but close range or Heavy Missiles for long range but less damage.

gfldex
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:46:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: David Eastwick
as i say 3 years ago a mixture of missiles was the advice i went with im sure it was something about fast missiles holding the ai in place for a second and then the torps plow in but im not 100% on that


Three years ago 3 idividual trops (not volleys) could kill any frig. Most frigs exploded with 2 torps. Mixing launchers to take advantage if different cycle times made sense if you wanted to go quick from lvl1 to lvl3 missions. On top of that, fitting 6 torp launchers wasn't all that easy.

The way missiles work have changed from: "you are not outrinning my missiles, i do explode you" to: "you are in range, but my big missiles will only tickle you". Another 3 rounds of nerfing and tweaking have now moved the Raven below most other ships to run missions with. If you want to stick with missiles and you have the skills, try a Drake. There are plenty of fittings on the section of this forum where you should have posted in the first place. :)

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:52:00 - [17]
 

Missiles were changed so that bigger missiles don't hit small targets well.

Raven has a drone bay and it's not there for nothing. You can pack 5 medium and 5 light drones. Use medium drones on cruisers and battlecruisers, light drones on frigates and destroyers. Shoot advanced cruisers and battleships with cruise missiles.

As far as missions go:
Lvl1 - use frigate or destroyer
Lvl2 - use Caracal
Lvl3 - use Drake
Lvl4 - cruise missile Raven with 5 medium and 5 light drones
Lvl5 - Nighthawk or Tengu (depends how much ISK and skills you have)

And never and I mean N E V E R mix weapon types on a Raven.

David Eastwick
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2010.12.08 20:00:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: David Eastwick on 08/12/2010 20:01:21
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 08/12/2010 19:39:12
Do not buy a sisters probe launcher lol.

Visit the help channel and get some real helpLaughingYou will get bashed in this forum.

For those lower missions you want a drake (battlecruiser) look on that site we linked above for a mission fitting.Sell that raven if you have to because if you jump in a lvl 4 whith what you know now youll die hard.And the raven is no good for lower lvl missions.

On the first look something like this should work..youll have to browse a bit.
Linkage



i think i may have a drake, it looks very familier, in fact it may be the ship i flew before the raven i like the config

its a shame lasers aint that good as the lack of ammo need could make missions a lot mor profitable and reduce the ammo annoyance

cross training to Minmatar seems to be something i had started to do though for the life of me i have no idea why and especialy since i put all that effort into caldri ships

help channel still a no no as im at work, the clasic version has been discontinued and the newer one wont run on my netbook with its dinky built in graphics plus as i say i dont want to monopolise the channel

sister probe launcher, i thought that an unfortunate name but gave the guy the credit of doubt that it may be a real item what went through my mind was perhaps you fire probes at the enemy so even if there jamming your systems you could fall back on the probes ... im assuming im wrong and he made it up

i hope i dont get bashed on the forum as i am only here to ask for help and guidence from people that have played the game far more, i am not asking you guys to give me a ship with this or the isk to afford it..i am i know asking for your time and to those that have posted it is truely appreciated, that battle clinic site alone is fascinating if somewhat overwhelming... soo many builds so little consensus

***edit****
Rashmika Clavain digging that up is appreciated at least i know im not going crazy!

Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2010.12.08 20:04:00 - [19]
 

I'm pretty sure positive this is the best troll-post in months.

Wu Spacey
Posted - 2010.12.08 20:06:00 - [20]
 

9/10

Derekian
Percone
Posted - 2010.12.08 20:06:00 - [21]
 

I have no problem instapopping frigs with a golem. Just dont use torps on a non-golem

And yeah. Get heavy missile Spec V. It is the most important skill in the game. Hurricane and Drake benefits from HM spec V. Alongside Gila(droneboat), Tengu(WH/pve/pvp boat).

You get everything with HM spec. the most versatile skill in the game.

David Eastwick
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2010.12.08 20:18:00 - [22]
 

Ifly Uwalk and Wu Spacey
how is this a troll post ? if you believe that please dont read any more dont post any more. i have come back after 3 years i have paid a new subscription. i am having difficulty and im asking for help i shall not respond to any more people who think im trolling just reread this post thanks

Derekian
ill work on heavy missile spec lvl 5 though i recall lvl 5 skills taking about a month :( is it truely worth it as opposed to multiple other skills?

Night Epoch
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.12.08 20:37:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: David Eastwick
ok as some may of seen im back after 3 years absence
now i have a raven
it has
2x torpedo launchers
2x cruise launchers
2x some sort of missile launcher (cant renember which type)



Best troll I've seen in a while. +1.

David Eastwick
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2010.12.08 20:46:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Night Epoch
Originally by: David Eastwick
ok as some may of seen im back after 3 years absence
now i have a raven
it has
2x torpedo launchers
2x cruise launchers
2x some sort of missile launcher (cant renember which type)



Best troll I've seen in a while. +1.


i know i said i wouldnt respond and im worried this may end up becoming just a flame war but had to reply

that IS my setup if there is a way to prove it then i will the "some sort of misile launcher" is purely because i am at work and cant renember the name or if they are heavy or standard or something else

now can we please stop with the "troll" posts

fuxinos
Caldari
Guys 0f Sarcasm
Posted - 2010.12.08 20:50:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: fuxinos on 08/12/2010 20:51:40
Originally by: David Eastwick
Ifly Uwalk and Wu Spacey
how is this a troll post ? if you believe that please dont read any more dont post any more. i have come back after 3 years i have paid a new subscription. i am having difficulty and im asking for help i shall not respond to any more people who think im trolling just reread this post thanks

Derekian
ill work on heavy missile spec lvl 5 though i recall lvl 5 skills taking about a month :( is it truely worth it as opposed to multiple other skills?


Dont listen to those idiots, they are just ignorant.

[Raven, lol]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Just try to train according to this setup to use the modules. It can do every lvl4 mission.

And dont train Heavy Missile Spec 5, never!

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.12.08 20:57:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Taedrin on 08/12/2010 20:58:14
Edited by: Taedrin on 08/12/2010 20:57:15
EDIT: Beaten.
EDIT2: Nevermind, the fitting above probably isn't as newb friendly as the one I posted.

Use this fitting. You can thank me later. That should be able to do just about any level 4 mission, so long as use The Correct Hardeners(tm) and the right ammo type. And don't aggro the entire room whenever you can.

David Eastwick
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2010.12.08 20:58:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: fuxinos
Edited by: fuxinos on 08/12/2010 20:51:40
Originally by: David Eastwick
Ifly Uwalk and Wu Spacey
how is this a troll post ? if you believe that please dont read any more dont post any more. i have come back after 3 years i have paid a new subscription. i am having difficulty and im asking for help i shall not respond to any more people who think im trolling just reread this post thanks

Derekian
ill work on heavy missile spec lvl 5 though i recall lvl 5 skills taking about a month :( is it truely worth it as opposed to multiple other skills?


Dont listen to those idiots, they are just ignorant.

[Raven, lol]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Just try to train according to this setup to use the modules. It can do every lvl4 mission.

And dont train Heavy Missile Spec 5, never!


nice, i had forgotten about drones (i renember now i had a habbit of losing them soon as my shield hits 25% i warp out of there and lick my wounds before returning)

i must admit im wondering what i have in the high power slots (if i have anythig at all) shame i cant look at it in eve gate, i can see curremt ship but its unclickable

David Eastwick
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2010.12.08 21:19:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: David Eastwick on 08/12/2010 21:21:50
Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 08/12/2010 20:58:14
Edited by: Taedrin on 08/12/2010 20:57:15
EDIT: Beaten.
EDIT2: Nevermind, the fitting above probably isn't as newb friendly as the one I posted.

Use this fitting. You can thank me later. That should be able to do just about any level 4 mission, so long as use The Correct Hardeners(tm) and the right ammo type. And don't aggro the entire room whenever you can.


thank you.. though renember im going for lvl 2 at mo when i get into the swing of it lvl 3, this set up still good for that?

*edit*
yikes 30 mil worth of capacitor control circuits think i might be better going with the drake and earning my money back up to this (at which point i may be more experienced to do the higher levels)

Gner Dechast
Flashman Services
Posted - 2010.12.08 22:22:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: David Eastwick

yikes 30 mil worth of capacitor control circuits think i might be better going with the drake and earning my money back up to this (at which point i may be more experienced to do the higher levels)


You'll save 11% from NPC corp taxes if you either join a player corp (my recommendation) or just found your own. If you're skint for ISK, that's what I would do...

Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar
Spycotics
Posted - 2010.12.08 22:49:00 - [30]
 

Just wanted to say david isn't a troll, I remember him quite well from many years ago. It's nice to see you back Dave, if you need any advice on flying Minmatar give me a nudge in game, either via eve mail or private convo and I'll do what I can Cool


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