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C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.08 15:33:00 - [1]
 

CCP Abraxas talks about the history and future of the EVE Chronicles. Read more about it in his dev blog.

Borgh Brainbasher
Saint Industrial Services
STEEL BROTHERHOOD
Posted - 2010.12.08 15:45:00 - [2]
 

First I was like: NOOOOOOO and then I was like: yipiyayeee!

I don't know if I should hug or stab you right now. Possibly both.


Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2010.12.08 15:58:00 - [3]
 

Not 100% how I feel about this, solely for the reason that the last big announcement of working on the fiction was forgotten and unceremoniously dropped. Or, at least, it appears so, since we never heard any more about it. That also happened with the fleshing out of the NPC corp descriptions that ISD Mercury started, though I have hopes that the initiative announced in this blog will finish that.

By the by, any way players can participate in this?

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.12.08 16:02:00 - [4]
 

I'm a bit sad about the slower pace of chronicles, but I fully support the work you are planning on doing. I've always felt it was a shame the lore of EVE was mainly experienced through reading out of game articles, that often talk about people you can never meet or interact in the game. Any plans to improve the situation gets my thumbs up.

Firartix
Sense of Serendipity
Echoes of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.12.08 16:16:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Firartix on 08/12/2010 16:16:36
I was too lazy to read this entierly and think about it for real, so this won't be a serious comment, sorry. This is a bit of offtopic but i never found video games were good support for such fiction stuff... and especially not EVE :s

But i would like to point out that the exponential tab effect occurs rather on TvTropes than on Wikipedia...
And on SCP Foundation's wiki once you get to understand what's written there :P

You can now get back to normal on-topic discussion.

Ugleb
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.12.08 16:24:00 - [6]
 

I had been wondering about the increasing absence of RP news coming out lately. Its a shame that mercury won't be producing any more for some time by the sounds of it. Sad

It does sound like this will be a long-term asset to eve, but at the price of less new fiction and I can only assume fewer opportunities for the storyline to respond to what the players are doing. I have very mixed feelings about that.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2010.12.08 16:26:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 08/12/2010 16:26:40
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!

Worst. Idea. Ever.

Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad

Manfred Rickenbocker
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.12.08 16:27:00 - [8]
 

This is good stuff! Videogames have needed this sort of thing for years, and while several have tried it it is extremely daunting as the amount of content is soooo huge. I can see how this might be problematic to EVE since there are so many locations to actually go to that are simply passed over by the majority of capsuleers (i.e. planets, moons, belts, stars) in their lazy autopilot between Jita and the outskirts.

Quick question: will this also include that effort to reconn a bunch of stuff that was similarly mothballed due to its size?

PS. Dont murder Dropbear until after he finishes the Sleeper mystery, otherwise we wont figure it out!

Mme Gnohm
Posted - 2010.12.08 16:29:00 - [9]
 

WOOP WOOP Chronicles on my Kindle.

Qujulome
Amarr
Posted - 2010.12.08 16:34:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Dev Blog
These guys outdid themselves time and again, and I was incredibly happy to have them join in at last. Except for Dropbear, whom I intend to murder.


My condolences to CCP Dropbear.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2010.12.08 16:34:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 08/12/2010 16:37:27
This is what we've been waiting for. Comprehensive infodumps accessible in-game that details out the universe beyond just the mere mechanics.

Awesome stuff, looking forward to it.

(basically no need to rely on obscure mission text, items and chrons to find out about something?)

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.12.08 16:39:00 - [12]
 


Originally by: Borgh Brainbasher
First I was like: NOOOOOOO and then I was like: yipiyayeee!

I don't know if I should hug or stab you right now. Possibly both.


Originally by: Casiella Truza
Not 100% how I feel about this, solely for the reason that the last big announcement of working on the fiction was forgotten and unceremoniously dropped. Or, at least, it appears so, since we never heard any more about it. That also happened with the fleshing out of the NPC corp descriptions that ISD Mercury started, though I have hopes that the initiative announced in this blog will finish that.

By the by, any way players can participate in this?

both of these, really...


Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.12.08 16:48:00 - [13]
 

I like this. I've always wished the back-story and lore were more integrated into, and accessible from within, the game itself.

The unanswered questions you brought up are exactly the sorts of things I've been wondering and would love to read about.

This sort of thing is what makes the fictional universe we inhabit feel more "alive" and "real".

Quark Zulu
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:01:00 - [14]
 

Why dont you publish the chronicles in a book? That would be great.

Cheers

Quark

DmitryEKT
Clandestine.
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:06:00 - [15]
 

I'd like to see more of longer stories, like Theodicy...

Akrasjel Lanate
Gallente
Naquatech Conglomerate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:11:00 - [16]
 

Awesome, looking forward to it.

Nix Lazarus
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:12:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Nix Lazarus on 08/12/2010 17:14:29
I remember when I first started Eve over a year ago, I lost a good chunk of my first days frantically reading through the chronicle backlog. It'll be sad to see them go, even for a while.

Though I'm also glad at the decision to expand the backstory with more factual material, even if that brings the risk of me adding New Eden, along with the Star Wars universe and Middle Earth in the list of places I know more about than the real world. Razz

While we're on the subject, might I recommend looking at wookiepedia as an inspiration. It's a truly superb wiki-based info source for such a complex fictional universe.

And I'd advise outsourcing at least some of the work to the guys at White wolf. As a one-time WoD player I remember they're quite good at writing engaging infodumps, and nobody wants to see Abraxas driven crazy(er) by the workload. Razz

Publius Valerius
Amarr
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:17:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Quark Zulu
Why dont you publish the chronicles in a book? That would be great.

Cheers

Quark


see here:^^
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Book_of_EVE

ehm what CCP think about this idea?
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Talk:Heideran_VII

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:35:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Vikarion on 08/12/2010 17:36:24
Crossposting from Backstage:

I'm going to rain on the parade here.

I don't think this is a good thing. I think this is CCP redirecting time and money from something that can be objectively measured (1 Chron every two weeks) to something that can't (we're adding fiction in different places). CCP hasn't exactly been known for a burning desire to maintain continuity or consistency across their universe (witness the in-game information on corporations or factions and the persons in them, as well as TEA, Ruthless, Theodicy...etc), and I think this is just an extension of that attitude into the Chronicles: "well, not many people read them, so why bother?".

And CCP's record hasn't been exactly brilliant when it comes to implementation of content that requires extended, consistent effort. Witness COSMOS, the FW storyline, other storylines, etc. Thus, I don't think that we're going to see a bunch of new content showing up in game because expecting that would be expecting CCP to break out of their normal pattern of behavior, which, I think I must note for the optimists here, is considered their normal pattern of behavior based on all the previous times we thought they were going to do something awesome with the storyline or prime fiction.

I liked the Chronicles because I knew that, every two weeks, I'd get something new and interesting that I could mine for Eve info. Now, I expect that we'll get a few evelopedia articles, and then CCP will find other uses for their time.

And that's if they are sincere about this. Part of me just suspects that they're tired of paying people to write things and want to save the money, so their planning on simply updating a few item descriptions and calling it good.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:55:00 - [20]
 

Thank you, thank you, thaaaaaaaank you for all those wonderful Chronicles. They were always great and certainly each time a new one was published I was quickly diving into reading it.

BIG THANKS!!!


Very sad to hear that those chronicles will stop for a while now.

For the integration into EVE? In theory it sounds reasonable, especially if you want to have a full blown scifi world with all the background. In reality? Not really sure about it - look at the COSMOS stuff for example and how many people are digging into that. Not many.

One piece of advice though: the framework should be in a computer readable format, XML or whatever, from there you should extract the data necessary to write short notes/stories. If you don't have a computer readable format this project will fail in the long run.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.12.08 18:16:00 - [21]
 


MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:00:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 08/12/2010 19:05:10
1st off, me and my finance love reading your stories. We read them out loud to each other whenever they come out. : ) I took a 15 month break from eve, but never from the chronicles.

Quote:
various e-readable formats


dude, make an app. would be epic. Or can one of us make one? is that ok?

I'll miss them, please don't lose steam and forget this project!


edit: One last thing, please try to pin down how many crew a ship needs, and put that in the game under show info. I don' care if it doesn't get used for anything, the reports are battleships with pod pilots needing 40 to 400 people.

Da Trader
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:13:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Mme Gnohm
WOOP WOOP Chronicles on my Kindle.
Yep, that would be great

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:26:00 - [24]
 

I get a feeling this blog has some kind of connection on my Lorebook. My original idea was after all to bring the in-game lore out into the open so it could be connected with other lore sources.

If nothing else, it will provide me with more connections to look for.

And no, I have currently no plans to integrate my Lorebook with Evelopedia though I played with the thought initially.

Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:27:00 - [25]
 

Noooooo. This is really a bad news. I will miss the chronicles. Crying or Very sad

Score
Minmatar
Industrial Forge Works Inc
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:50:00 - [26]
 

As long as the SEO Pyramid is followed, the content should easily and quickly be made available on any format.

From my understanding of the article, the chronicles and a multitude of other in-game information may be made accessible and cross-referenced from just about any device anywhere including:

Smartphones (I can't wait!)
All Browsers
In-game
Ipads


Wiki-style information for the backstory/history/details of Eve is a huge undertaking! Good luck and hurry! Very Happy


Theqwert125
Qwertian Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:54:00 - [27]
 

Quote:
If you read a chronicle about some person working in a hisec space station, you should be able to meet him at some point in Incarna. If he comes from a planet nearby, it should be a habitable one whose fictional infrastructure and institutions really could have created someone like him, and which are accessible for you to read about when you're in the vicinity. If an agent then hands you a mission that references that planet, it should also reference that same infrastructure, and possibly even the person you read about in a chronicle. And if you want to find out more about any of these, you should be able to do so right away, in depth, and without any necessary foreknowledge. The lore should be deep enough to be interesting to everyone, but also accessible enough - both in how it's organized and how we present it - that anyone, new and old, can find his or her way around it without first having to memorize years' worth of details.


I'm actually partially against this; the thing that I always loved about some of the chronicles is how they were just stories of one of the trillions of people in EVE, maybe of not a special significance beyond being a Minmatar slave, or a member of the Caldari military. They expanded and elaborated content, and yet told stories about the people who's existence that by all rights, we, demigods called capsuleers, shouldn't even comprehend outside of the chronicle. I'm all for uniting the information on things that should matter to capsuleers; a story of some fan of a Gallente pop icon is great for expanding the lore on the icon, but we really shouldn't get much more information about that fan than that snapshot.

CCP Abraxas

Posted - 2010.12.08 19:55:00 - [28]
 

Thanks to everyone for the kind words, particularly on the chronicles past. It's always wonderful to know you made something that someone else really liked. Smile

I'm leading this new project (though with tons of cooperation and work from guys like CCP Ginger), and while it may take time to get fully implemented, it'll get there in the end. If not, you can seek me out at Fanfest and yell at me. Buy me a beer first, though.

Originally by: MotherMoon
me and my finance love reading your stories. We read them out loud to each other whenever they come out.


Hey, awesome - I do the same with mine! Very Happy Except not with my own stories. Because that would be just a little creepy.

Originally by: MotherMoon
dude, make an app. would be epic. Or can one of us make one? is that ok?
Let's see once the compendium's ready. I'm hoping for some time in the first half of 2011, but it depends on how much time I have left over from the Immersion project and others.

Drab Cane
Carbenadium Industries
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:59:00 - [29]
 

Congratulations to CCP and CCP Abraxas for taking on such a huge, audacious project!

Such information would be awesome for the actual roleplayers among us, and may prompt more fan fiction as it becomes easier to integrate our stories with the existing EVE world.

Good luck, and Godspeed.

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.12.08 20:50:00 - [30]
 

I actually think this will be quite awesome once it gets underway. +1 cool points for XKCD image.


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