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Tayonas
Posted - 2010.12.08 01:43:00 - [1]
 

Im wondering which side displays the best graphics for eve. Im considering buying an Nvidia for the PHSYX engine because I play Entropia Universe. Im hoping that its either of the two or Nvidia so I can get all the eye candy on these two games. I have a 360 and and a PS3 for other types of games and cant really see me playing driving, football or FPS on a PC. Been a loooooong time since I have played pretty much anything else on a PC, except sim city and unfortunately C&C Tib Sun, which to me destroyed the franchise (shameless dig @ EA).

Alpha1231
Posted - 2010.12.08 02:12:00 - [2]
 

Both a very good, depends on what company you like.

Also depends on if you have agp,pci,pci express.

Whats your cpu/memory?

Tayonas
Posted - 2010.12.08 02:19:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Alpha1231
Both a very good, depends on what company you like.

Also depends on if you have agp,pci,pci express.

Whats your cpu/memory?


Im using PCIE, 8GB RAM, quad core 2.4GHz.

The reason Im having to ask is because on the specs page it refers to both, but only names ATI for recommended and I dunno if that page still applies to the new update. If it doesnt use the 'advanced features' of either when running at highest, ie the physx engine with Nvidia, then that would explain why it refers to both. If it does use the advanced features of say ATI and my current graphics card doesnt use that ... well I think you know what I mean by now (unless Ive confused the issue beyond recognition).

Alpha1231
Posted - 2010.12.08 02:23:00 - [4]
 

Whats your price range?

Tayonas
Posted - 2010.12.08 02:34:00 - [5]
 

Probably about 150 GBP. Ive hunted down a GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 460 - 1024 MB GDDR5 for less than that.

Meant to say my current GFX is an ATI 4800HD 1GB, but in Entropia it doesnt give me the eye candy I see in peoples screenies because of PHYSX. If going Nvidia is only going to give me better performance in Entropia I might scrap the idea. But if going to a 460 gives me better in both then Im basically sold. After many hours of looking and thinking my skull is bursting. Really, really wish I hadnt had the 'idea'.

Alpha1231
Posted - 2010.12.08 02:36:00 - [6]
 

460 is a very nice card if you buy one get the 1gig version and only buy from evga brand.

Tayonas
Posted - 2010.12.08 02:47:00 - [7]
 

Looked at the EVGA there since you mentioned them, 768MB 160 and 1536MB 357 GBP Shocked

And I thought they made expensive mobo's ...

I think the 1536MB might out of the range Im willing to spend on Sad

Will the 460 be an improvement on my 4800 for this game? I dunno what shader my current card uses or if eve can benefit from a higher version than what I am currently running.

Alpha1231
Posted - 2010.12.08 02:54:00 - [8]
 

$199

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130567


Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.12.08 02:54:00 - [9]
 

Go for a 470 if you can, and eve isn't the only game you play.

Tayonas
Posted - 2010.12.08 03:00:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Tayonas on 08/12/2010 03:08:55
Originally by: Alpha1231
$199

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130567




Nice, very nice, but I dont think they ship to the UK Sad It is a lot cheaper.

Cool found it for 146 ... http://www.shop.bt.com/products/evga-geforce-gtx-460-720mhz-1gb-pci-e-hdmi-external-exhaust-78R4.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=product+search

470 is a jump higher and I really cant justifyyyyyy ... hmmm maybe I could ... lol ...

This is my last hurrah before our 3rd kid is born at the end of February. Just bought USB mixing decks and a 7.1 AV receiver. Time to sleep on it methinks, well, sleep later and decide when I get up. Maybe I will toss a coin.

Thanks for the replies :)

Alpha1231
Posted - 2010.12.08 03:06:00 - [11]
 

I have U.K friends that bought whole systems off newegg.com you just have to ship fedex.

Tayonas
Posted - 2010.12.08 03:11:00 - [12]
 

Ah, I just found some thread that said they didnt, maybe it being 5 years old I should have looked for a newer one :)

I will see what works out the best :)

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2010.12.08 04:34:00 - [13]
 

You'll want nVidia, EVE is enhanced for physX and CUDA ^^

I highly recommend EVGA GTX460, I'm using the 1GB version, can run multiple clients at 32x antialiasing and 16x aniosotropic filtering still with +60fps.
The 470 is only marginally better at a significantly higher cost.

If you need something quicker, I'd recommend simply adding a second GTX460 and running SLI

Victor Valka
Caldari
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2010.12.08 04:47:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
You'll want nVidia, EVE is enhanced for physX and CUDA ^^
No, it is not. It looks like Ambulation/WiS/Incarna will be taking advantage of these two technologies, but the rest of EVE couldn't care less.

Tayonas
Posted - 2010.12.08 05:19:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Tayonas on 08/12/2010 05:23:56
Edited by: Tayonas on 08/12/2010 05:23:23
OK in the end I have bought the 460. I did buy the 470 and then cancelled it because for 50/$75/+33% the performance doesnt seem worth it and if I can run at least 5 clients with this card then I dont really need that extra 15% performance for +33% cost.

Thanks for the replies, appreciated.

Tayonas
Posted - 2010.12.08 22:44:00 - [16]
 

Bwahahahahaha .. lolz ...

So here is MY sorta luck. Ive gone from a 1-3 day delivery to - awaiting stock to - stock due 15th December ...

WTF did I do wrong in my last life? I musta podded like a mofo to deserve this.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.12.08 23:04:00 - [17]
 

Damn... anway.

I got 2 x 5870's, they run sweet.

Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2010.12.08 23:43:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 08/12/2010 23:46:46
Originally by: Tayonas
Im wondering which side displays the best graphics for eve. Im considering buying an Nvidia for the PHSYX engine because I play Entropia Universe. Im hoping that its either of the two or Nvidia so I can get all the eye candy on these two games. I have a 360 and and a PS3 for other types of games and cant really see me playing driving, football or FPS on a PC. Been a loooooong time since I have played pretty much anything else on a PC, except sim city and unfortunately C&C Tib Sun, which to me destroyed the franchise (shameless dig @ EA).


i have 3 pcs running eve

2x are dual nvidia 8500gt setups
1x is a single ati hd 4850 setup

the older dual nvidia setups handle multi boxing better than the higher spec ati card.

the newer ati card handles running graphics at high res better

the ati might be better at multiboxing if ati ever get a decent driver released. but for now the driver causes lots of bsod when tried in multi box mode

BUT one thing we call all agree on is INTEL graphics sucks balls for eve... my laptop lags like mad

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2010.12.08 23:53:00 - [19]
 

CCP do partner with NVidia on stuff, they've done talks with them in the past and are using PHYSX for WoD's (and probably Incarna's) clothing. So I'd be tempted to think their support for NVidia will be better than ATI.

MaxPower 519
Gallente
Dirt Nap Squad
Posted - 2010.12.09 00:03:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Headerman
Damn... anway.

I got 2 x 5870's, they run sweet.


I only got one 5870 and think its overkill for EvE lol... best card ever btw

Tayonas
Posted - 2010.12.09 00:04:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Nyphur
CCP do partner with NVidia on stuff, they've done talks with them in the past and are using PHYSX for WoD's (and probably Incarna's) clothing. So I'd be tempted to think their support for NVidia will be better than ATI.


Didnt know that, ATI is 'named' in the recommended specs. But Im happy at what you are saying because it means both my PC games are using Nvidia + PHYSX :)

Whats a WoD?

They should put a 'works best with xxxxxxxx' on the splash screen and update the webpage if thats the case though, well I think they should.

Cole Y0unger
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2010.12.09 00:08:00 - [22]
 

NVIDIA 260m CUDA 1G is a pretty good card its what i run i can dual box at full settings no lag to speak of

F0rum Tr0ll
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.12.09 01:44:00 - [23]
 

Currently running a geforce GTX 275 which is fine for triple boxing. quadcore cpu.

Just wondering, Is ATI still having issues with dodgy driver support? I know its been an issue in the past. Just wondering how thats going.

Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2010.12.09 02:47:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Tayonas
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Whats a WoD?




ccp's 3rd game World of Darkness

2nd being dust 514

1st being eve

Zantris
Posted - 2010.12.09 02:58:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Zantris on 09/12/2010 03:00:15
Originally by: F0rum Tr0ll
Currently running a geforce GTX 275 which is fine for triple boxing. quadcore cpu.

Just wondering, Is ATI still having issues with dodgy driver support? I know its been an issue in the past. Just wondering how thats going.


ATI drivers have been more solid than Nvidia since the release of the 4800 series. ATI has produced a better card for the money for quite a while now, although the new Fermi are slowly becoming optimized at the high end.

Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2010.12.09 03:01:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Zantris
Originally by: F0rum Tr0ll
Currently running a geforce GTX 275 which is fine for triple boxing. quadcore cpu.

Just wondering, Is ATI still having issues with dodgy driver support? I know its been an issue in the past. Just wondering how thats going.


ATI drivers have been more solid than Nvidia since the release of the 4800 series


i have yet to get a stable ati driver...................... so much so im just gonna stick an nvidia card in to replace the ati card.... im so so tired of ati driver related bsod's

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:22:00 - [27]
 

1 GFX doesnt matter in EVE. EVE is written in Python LOL and the code is single thread (single core). EVE will only use one core and will always be CPU starved. This is why turning off brackets help =- brackets are calculated by CPU.

2 If you want PHYSX you need TWO Nvidia cards. PHYSX bogs down even the strongest NVIDIA cards below playable framerates (Mafia 2 with physx enabled = APEX). It just doesnt work without dedicated card, not to mention its a waste of money and visual difference is minimal.

Kool StoryBro
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:43:00 - [28]
 

i have yet to get a stable nvidia driver...................... so much so im just gonna stick an ati card in to replace the nvidia card.... im so so tired of nvida driver related bsod's Rolling Eyes

Tayonas
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:50:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Rasz Lin
1 GFX doesnt matter in EVE. EVE is written in Python LOL and the code is single thread (single core). EVE will only use one core and will always be CPU starved. This is why turning off brackets help =- brackets are calculated by CPU.

2 If you want PHYSX you need TWO Nvidia cards. PHYSX bogs down even the strongest NVIDIA cards below playable framerates (Mafia 2 with physx enabled = APEX). It just doesnt work without dedicated card, not to mention its a waste of money and visual difference is minimal.


What do you mean by brackets? Havent looked at Mafia 2, for me its not an issue though cus I only play EVE and Entropia. Oh, gimme some more E's ... Least, Im praying its not gonna be an issue for Entropia.

Ive never had an issue, ie BSOD, with any ATI or Nvidia card, well except around 16 years or so ago when raedons first hit the market and it wasnt my machine, was someone elses and I lurved my Nvidias after being stuck with the crappy Intel cards. Though at 8MB they were a massive step up from 512k + a secondary 1024k accelerator lol. I think Ive only had one single build ever that has suffered BSOD and it was down to the RAM.

Draconyx
Posted - 2010.12.09 06:14:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Draconyx on 09/12/2010 06:23:04
Edited by: Draconyx on 09/12/2010 06:21:14
It really comes down to the motherboard in most cases.

Intel Motherboard Nvidia
SLI Motherboard Nvidia.

AMD Motherboard ATI
CrossFire Motherboard ATI

There are exceptions but the best Video card in the world doesn't help you much if you put it on the wrong motherboard.

Personally I use AMD and and ATI.

Maybe not the fastest but AMD and ATI leaves INTEL and Nvidia in the dust when it comes to a price versus performance ratio.

And 2 video cards running crossfire with 2 monitors makes one EVE client run like a dream stretched across them.
And multiple clients also run clean with zero frame loss, as you select the same graphics cars no matter what screen the client is running on.

Not sure if SLI is the same way nut I am guessing it is.
Scrap using SLI or crossfire to power one screen, the technology really shines when you are using multiple screens.


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